Re: [Anima] Potential Milestones for ANIMA new charter

[Michael Richardson]

Eliot Lear  wrote:
> I think we’re coming close to needing a bit of a work plan for just the 
BRSKI
> documents alone. That is- it’s not just how many documents but which 
ones, in
> order to accomplish which functions. At this point, I am presuming that 
the
> base document is just about done.

Yes, In theory it's back in the ADs' hands to put in the IESG queue.
I hope that the three reviews will be enough; but I suspect that there will
be a bunch of mis-understandings from some quarters that will need to get
resolved.

> The constrained-voucher doc looks like it
> needs to get pushed over the finish line.

Yes.  The EST-COAPS part is done, the voucher part is done.
There are some hangups with references in CORE (SID stuff) that is going to
MISSREF badly once we get into the RFC editor queue.

> And then, it seems to me our
> chartering discussion might do well to focus down a bit on what is needed 
for
> different operating environments, so as to help sort overlap in drafts 
with
> an understanding of who wants to commit what code.

1) I think we will need to write some contrasting use case documents.
2) We will need some additional real-world experience.

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Re: [Anima] Potential Milestones for ANIMA new charter

[Eliot Lear]

Hi Sheng,

> On 16 Mar 2019, at 01:56, Sheng Jiang  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Eliot,
> 
> As you know, the charter text is different from the milestones. In charter 
> text, we will have a paragraph to describe the BRSKI relevant works. In 
> principle, all BRSKI works, even those have not been mentioned, would be 
> covered. So, BRSKI works, no matter they are listed as milestones or not, are 
> in WG scope.

Thanks.  That’s what I was aiming at.  Are you looking for some proposed text?


> 
> Milestones are these work items that WG MUST deliver in a limited time, say a 
> year or one and half years. So, as WG chairs, we would like to have a shorter 
> list for each period, for which every work item has enough energy to complete 
> in time. This is also IESG would like to see. We could easily add milestones 
> later when the WG had shown enough interests and energy for new in-scope 
> works.
> 
> “+ One BRSKI document” means newly adopt one more BRSKI document. The reason 
> that we do not want too many new BRSKI document immediately is that the WG 
> need energy to guarantee the current adopted BRSKI works, including the main 
> BRSKI document and constrained voucher, to be completed as soon as possible 
> with high quality.
> 

I think we’re coming close to needing a bit of a work plan for just the BRSKI 
documents alone.  That is- it’s not just how many documents but which ones, in 
order to accomplish which functions.  At this point, I am presuming that the 
base document is just about done.  The constrained-voucher doc looks like it 
needs to get pushed over the finish line.  And then, it seems to me our 
chartering discussion might do well to focus down a bit on what is needed for 
different operating environments, so as to help sort overlap in drafts with an 
understanding of who wants to commit what code.

Eliot


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Re: [Anima] Potential Milestones for ANIMA new charter

[Sheng Jiang]

Hi, Eliot,

As you know, the charter text is different from the milestones. In charter 
text, we will have a paragraph to describe the BRSKI relevant works. In 
principle, all BRSKI works, even those have not been mentioned, would be 
covered. So, BRSKI works, no matter they are listed as milestones or not, are 
in WG scope.

Milestones are these work items that WG MUST deliver in a limited time, say a 
year or one and half years. So, as WG chairs, we would like to have a shorter 
list for each period, for which every work item has enough energy to complete 
in time. This is also IESG would like to see. We could easily add milestones 
later when the WG had shown enough interests and energy for new in-scope works.

“+ One BRSKI document” means newly adopt one more BRSKI document. The reason 
that we do not want too many new BRSKI document immediately is that the WG need 
energy to guarantee the current adopted BRSKI works, including the main BRSKI 
document and constrained voucher, to be completed as soon as possible with high 
quality.

Regards,

Sheng

From: Eliot Lear [mailto:l...@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:18 PM
To: Sheng Jiang 
Cc: Toerless Eckert ; Toerless Eckert 
; anima@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Anima] Potential Milestones for ANIMA new charter

Hi Sheng,

Forgive me, but I believe that the charter text above the milestones needs a 
touch up.  I also see somewhere around six drafts worth of BRSKI work coming 
down the pike on their own.  They are:


  *   draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher
  *   draft-ietf-anima-contrained-voucher
  *   draft-fries-anima-brski-async-enroll
  *   draft-lear-eap-teap-brski
  *   draft-vanderstok-anima-constrained-join-proxy
  *   draft-richardson-anima-smarkarklink

And I expect that draft-lear-brski-pop will live to see another day.

Now it may be the right thing to split off this work into a separate WG, or it 
may be the right thing to continue in ANIMA.  I expect that some of the above 
can also consolidate, but there’s still a lot of work to be done, and cramming 
all of that into one draft would be inadvisable ;-)

Eliot


On 15 Mar 2019, at 07:51, Sheng Jiang 
mailto:jiangsh...@huawei.com>> wrote:

Hi, Toerless,

I am working on the charter text. It is not difficult to categetied the work 
items into 4 classes: ANI+, ASA, BRSKI, Use cases. I am intending to put NOCs 
into ANI+. I will send you a reword version on next Monday.

For milestones, giving that we have a long document waiting list as long as 20. 
It would not sufficient to satisfy everyone for just 5 milestones by saying 
everyone should have no more than one document through. We would face more than 
10 individuals asking for adoption. Anyway, here are my choice for the first 5:

ASA Lifecycle (Lucent)
ASA guideline (Brian C)
GRASP Distribution (Bing Liu)
Constrained Join Proxy for Bootstrapping Protocols (Michael R.)
+ One BRSKI document

This would looks good when we face IESG. Then, we may able to adopt 2 or 3 more 
document out of written milestones, I guess. But it would looks bad if we have 
more than 10 WG document parallel. PS: we still have 7 WG documents showing 
now, though 3 of them passed IESG review and waiting by MISREF – ACP!

Cheers,

Sheng
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Re: [Anima] Potential Milestones for ANIMA new charter

[Eliot Lear]

Hi Sheng,

Forgive me, but I believe that the charter text above the milestones needs a 
touch up.  I also see somewhere around six drafts worth of BRSKI work coming 
down the pike on their own.  They are:

draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher
draft-ietf-anima-contrained-voucher
draft-fries-anima-brski-async-enroll
draft-lear-eap-teap-brski
draft-vanderstok-anima-constrained-join-proxy
draft-richardson-anima-smarkarklink

And I expect that draft-lear-brski-pop will live to see another day.

Now it may be the right thing to split off this work into a separate WG, or it 
may be the right thing to continue in ANIMA.  I expect that some of the above 
can also consolidate, but there’s still a lot of work to be done, and cramming 
all of that into one draft would be inadvisable ;-)

Eliot

> On 15 Mar 2019, at 07:51, Sheng Jiang  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Toerless,
> 
> I am working on the charter text. It is not difficult to categetied the work 
> items into 4 classes: ANI+, ASA, BRSKI, Use cases. I am intending to put NOCs 
> into ANI+. I will send you a reword version on next Monday.
> 
> For milestones, giving that we have a long document waiting list as long as 
> 20. It would not sufficient to satisfy everyone for just 5 milestones by 
> saying everyone should have no more than one document through. We would face 
> more than 10 individuals asking for adoption. Anyway, here are my choice for 
> the first 5:
> 
> ASA Lifecycle (Lucent)
> ASA guideline (Brian C)
> GRASP Distribution (Bing Liu)
> Constrained Join Proxy for Bootstrapping Protocols (Michael R.)
> + One BRSKI document
> 
> This would looks good when we face IESG. Then, we may able to adopt 2 or 3 
> more document out of written milestones, I guess. But it would looks bad if 
> we have more than 10 WG document parallel. PS: we still have 7 WG documents 
> showing now, though 3 of them passed IESG review and waiting by MISREF – ACP!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Sheng
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[Anima] Potential Milestones for ANIMA new charter

[Sheng Jiang]

Hi, Toerless,

I am working on the charter text. It is not difficult to categetied the work 
items into 4 classes: ANI+, ASA, BRSKI, Use cases. I am intending to put NOCs 
into ANI+. I will send you a reword version on next Monday.

For milestones, giving that we have a long document waiting list as long as 20. 
It would not sufficient to satisfy everyone for just 5 milestones by saying 
everyone should have no more than one document through. We would face more than 
10 individuals asking for adoption. Anyway, here are my choice for the first 5:

ASA Lifecycle (Lucent)
ASA guideline (Brian C)
GRASP Distribution (Bing Liu)
Constrained Join Proxy for Bootstrapping Protocols (Michael R.)
+ One BRSKI document

This would looks good when we face IESG. Then, we may able to adopt 2 or 3 more 
document out of written milestones, I guess. But it would looks bad if we have 
more than 10 WG document parallel. PS: we still have 7 WG documents showing 
now, though 3 of them passed IESG review and waiting by MISREF - ACP!

Cheers,

Sheng
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