[animata-users] using VJ mixer to control movement
Hi there, I'm new to the Animata world and my background is in theatre and literature. I'm pretty good at picking up new tech but I'm not a programmer/digital creator normally so I apologize in advance for how basic my questions might seem. The project I am working on is to create a physical (real-life) puppet with projected facial expressions that I want to control using the knobs on a VJ mixer (or something similar). E.g. if I turn the left eye knob to the right, the left eye looks to the right. If I turn it to the left, the left eye looks to the left. Vice versa for the right eye. Additionally, there would be 2 knobs to control left and right eyes to look up or down. This seems entirely possible but I don't know how to hook up Animata to receive signals from the VJ mixer. I think I'm supposed to use OSC or something but again, I don't know how. If anyone can help me with this, I would be happy to create some user documentation to add to the site... Or any thing else that I can help with, in return. Thanks! Helen www.helenyung.com ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users
Re: [animata-users] using VJ mixer to control movement
Hello Helen, It is possible if the Vj console send some kind of OSC signals or at least Midi signals( midi can be converted into OSC) but I have a questions: Do you use a vj mixing console? because vj mix consoles are rare and expensive equipments and VJ'S usually use VJsoftware with Midi hardware interfaces, if not: If you have any ios device you can try these apps http://recotana.com/iphone/iosc/en/index.html or http://hexler.net/software/touchosc http://hexler.net/software/touchoscand take a look at this software it is used for controlling various applications with several controller via OSC http://www.osculator.net/ On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Helen Yung in...@helenyung.com wrote: Hi there, I'm new to the Animata world and my background is in theatre and literature. I'm pretty good at picking up new tech but I'm not a programmer/digital creator normally so I apologize in advance for how basic my questions might seem. The project I am working on is to create a physical (real-life) puppet with projected facial expressions that I want to control using the knobs on a VJ mixer (or something similar). E.g. if I turn the left eye knob to the right, the left eye looks to the right. If I turn it to the left, the left eye looks to the left. Vice versa for the right eye. Additionally, there would be 2 knobs to control left and right eyes to look up or down. This seems entirely possible but I don't know how to hook up Animata to receive signals from the VJ mixer. I think I'm supposed to use OSC or something but again, I don't know how. If anyone can help me with this, I would be happy to create some user documentation to add to the site... Or any thing else that I can help with, in return. Thanks! Helen www.helenyung.com ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users
Re: [animata-users] using VJ mixer to control movement
Alpay merhaba türk müsün? :) On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Alpay Kasal al...@litstudios.com wrote: i'd first figure out what your mixer can output, like midi or dmx, what mixer are you using? then you can take the midi (or whatever) into some software on your computer... I am a fan of but there a lots of ways to do this, unfortunately none are super easy if this is a new concept for you. You can convert the midi messsaging from your mixer to an osc stream that talks to animata over udp. osc is a standard type of communication that many apps use, basically a bundling of multiple parameters in a format that is easy to parse (like x,y,speed,whateverelse the comma delineated messaging makes it easy to parse on the recieving end). udp is a network term, it's kind of a force-fed way of communication across a network that provides the least amount of lag which is ideal for realtime situations like live performance and video streaming. instaead of having the network constantly handshake and do simple error correction or check for packet loss, udp just pushes a data stream straight through, not caring if it is losing tons of packets along the way. the osc, as read by animata controls the character you setup with bones ahead of time. i do this but basically with a Kinect as a controller instead of a mixer... the concepts are the same however as the kinect is just pumping out lots of position data the way your mixer would. i'm not sure if that clears anything up for you... and please people, correct me if i'm wrong on any point. Alpay Kasal Engineer http://Supertou.ch twitter: @alpaykasal blog: http://blog.LitStudios.com On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:51:55 -0400, Helen Yung wrote: Hi there, I'm new to the Animata world and my background is in theatre and literature. I'm pretty good at picking up new tech but I'm not a programmer/digital creator normally so I apologize in advance for how basic my questions might seem. The project I am working on is to create a physical (real-life) puppet with projected facial expressions that I want to control using the knobs on a VJ mixer (or something similar). E.g. if I turn the left eye knob to the right, the left eye looks to the right. If I turn it to the left, the left eye looks to the left. Vice versa for the right eye. Additionally, there would be 2 knobs to control left and right eyes to look up or down. This seems entirely possible but I don't know how to hook up Animata to receive signals from the VJ mixer. I think I'm supposed to use OSC or something but again, I don't know how. If anyone can help me with this, I would be happy to create some user documentation to add to the site... Or any thing else that I can help with, in return. Thanks! Helen www.helenyung.com -- ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-usershttp://../hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.kitchenbudapest.hu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fanimata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users
Re: [animata-users] using VJ mixer to control movement
and if you're on android, http://hexler.net/software/touchosc-android i also like fingerplay a lot since you can skin your osc interfaces with graphics and it works a treat with animata http://thesundancekid.net/blog/fingerplay-midi/ Alpay Kasal Engineer http://Supertou.ch twitter: @alpaykasal blog: http://blog.LitStudios.com On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:12:07 +0300, Metehan Korkmazel wrote: Hello Helen,It is possible if the Vj console send some kind of OSC signals or at least Midi signals( midi can be converted into OSC) butI have a questions:Do you use a vj mixing console? because vj mix consoles are rare and expensive equipments and VJ'S usually use VJsoftware with Midi hardware interfaces, if not: Ifyou have any ios device you can try these apps http://recotana.com/iphone/iosc/en/index.html orhttp://hexler.net/software/touchosc and take a look at this software it is used for controlling various applications with several controller via OSC http://www.osculator.net/ On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Helen Yung in...@helenyung.com wrote: Hi there,I'm new to the Animata world and my background is in theatre and literature. I'm pretty good at picking up new tech but I'm not a programmer/digital creator normally so I apologize in advance for how basic my questions might seem. The project I am working on is to create a physical (real-life) puppet with projected facial expressions that I want to control using the knobs on a VJ mixer (or something similar). E.g. if I turn the left eye knob to the right, the left eye looks to the right. If I turn it to the left, the left eye looks to the left. Vice versa for the right eye. Additionally, there would be 2 knobs to control left and right eyes to look up or down. This seems entirely possible but I don't know how to hook up Animata to receive signals from the VJ mixer. I think I'm supposed to use OSC or something but again, I don't know how. If anyone can help me with this, I would be happy to create some user documentation to add to the site... Or any thing else that I can help with, in return. Thanks!Helenwww.helenyung.com ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users
Re: [animata-users] using VJ mixer to control movement
Evet, turkum... ama turkcem cok kotu :) New York'dayim. Alpay Kasal Engineer http://Supertou.ch twitter: @alpaykasal blog: http://blog.LitStudios.com On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:14:33 +0300, Metehan Korkmazel wrote: Alpay merhaba trk msn? :) On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Alpay Kasal al...@litstudios.com wrote: i'd first figure out what your mixer can output, like midi or dmx, what mixer are you using? then you can take the midi (or whatever) into some software on your computer... I am a fan of but there a lots of ways to do this, unfortunately none are super easy if this is a new concept for you. You can convert the midi messsaging from your mixer to an osc stream that talks to animata over udp. osc is a standard type of communication that many apps use, basically a bundling of multiple parameters in a format that is easy to parse (like x,y,speed,whateverelse the comma delineated messaging makes it easy to parse on the recieving end). udp is a network term, it's kind of a force-fed way of communication across a network that provides the least amount of lag which is ideal for realtime situations like live performance and video streaming. instaead of having the network constantly handshake and do simple error correction or check for packet loss, udp just pushes a data stream straight through, not caring if it is losing tons of packets along the way. the osc, as read by animata controls the character you setup with bones ahead of time. i do this but basically with a Kinect as a controller instead of a mixer... the concepts are the same however as the kinect is just pumping out lots of position data the way your mixer would. i'm not sure if that clears anything up for you... and please people, correct me if i'm wrong on any point. Alpay Kasal Engineer http://Supertou.ch twitter: @alpaykasal blog: http://blog.LitStudios.com On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:51:55 -0400, Helen Yung wrote: Hi there,I'm new to the Animata world and my background is in theatre and literature. I'm pretty good at picking up new tech but I'm not a programmer/digital creator normally so I apologize in advance for how basic my questions might seem. The project I am working on is to create a physical (real-life) puppet with projected facial expressions that I want to control using the knobs on a VJ mixer (or something similar). E.g. if I turn the left eye knob to the right, the left eye looks to the right. If I turn it to the left, the left eye looks to the left. Vice versa for the right eye. Additionally, there would be 2 knobs to control left and right eyes to look up or down. This seems entirely possible but I don't know how to hook up Animata to receive signals from the VJ mixer. I think I'm supposed to use OSC or something but again, I don't know how. If anyone can help me with this, I would be happy to create some user documentation to add to the site... Or any thing else that I can help with, in return. Thanks!Helenwww.helenyung.com ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users
Re: [animata-users] using VJ mixer to control movement
Hi Metehan and Alpay, Thank you for the speedy reply. I'm sorry, I am using a MIDI controller. It's a Remote Zero SL. (Not a VJ mixer? I called it that because it's what I see VJs using, but I guess it's properly called a MIDI controller.) I want to use the fader knobs on the MIDI controller to control the left and right, and up and down movement of the puppet's eyes. Alpay, how do I convert the MIDI signal to OSC and set up that UDP connection? Metehan, thanks for the OSC links. I should mention that I am on a PC. (Sorry.) If I must, I could borrow someone's mac but that would greatly reduce the amount of time I would get to practice with the rig, so I'd rather do it with my PC. I didn't see a PC version of Osculator, though they are discussing it on the blog... I do have an iphone 4 and I think the OSC touch interface is very cool but I think the tactile feel of the physical MIDI controller would be helpful for a beginner like me Thank you! Helen On 12 April 2011 17:12, Metehan Korkmazel metehan.korkma...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Helen, It is possible if the Vj console send some kind of OSC signals or at least Midi signals( midi can be converted into OSC) but I have a questions: Do you use a vj mixing console? because vj mix consoles are rare and expensive equipments and VJ'S usually use VJsoftware with Midi hardware interfaces, if not: If you have any ios device you can try these apps http://recotana.com/iphone/iosc/en/index.html or http://hexler.net/software/touchosc http://hexler.net/software/touchoscand take a look at this software it is used for controlling various applications with several controller via OSC http://www.osculator.net/ On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Helen Yung in...@helenyung.com wrote: Hi there, I'm new to the Animata world and my background is in theatre and literature. I'm pretty good at picking up new tech but I'm not a programmer/digital creator normally so I apologize in advance for how basic my questions might seem. The project I am working on is to create a physical (real-life) puppet with projected facial expressions that I want to control using the knobs on a VJ mixer (or something similar). E.g. if I turn the left eye knob to the right, the left eye looks to the right. If I turn it to the left, the left eye looks to the left. Vice versa for the right eye. Additionally, there would be 2 knobs to control left and right eyes to look up or down. This seems entirely possible but I don't know how to hook up Animata to receive signals from the VJ mixer. I think I'm supposed to use OSC or something but again, I don't know how. If anyone can help me with this, I would be happy to create some user documentation to add to the site... Or any thing else that I can help with, in return. Thanks! Helen www.helenyung.com ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users
Re: [animata-users] using VJ mixer to control movement
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 18:52 -0400, Helen Yung wrote: Hi Metehan and Alpay, Thank you for the speedy reply. I'm sorry, I am using a MIDI controller. It's a Remote Zero SL. (Not a VJ mixer? I called it that because it's what I see VJs using, but I guess it's properly called a MIDI controller.) I want to use the fader knobs on the MIDI controller to control the left and right, and up and down movement of the puppet's eyes. Alpay, how do I convert the MIDI signal to OSC and set up that UDP connection? Metehan, thanks for the OSC links. I should mention that I am on a PC. (Sorry.) If I must, I could borrow someone's mac but that would greatly reduce the amount of time I would get to practice with the rig, so I'd rather do it with my PC. I didn't see a PC version of Osculator, though they are discussing it on the blog... I do have an iphone 4 and I think the OSC touch interface is very cool but I think the tactile feel of the physical MIDI controller would be helpful for a beginner like me Thank you! Helen Pardon, I didn't read the whole thread, but maybe this could help: http://code.google.com/p/oscemote/wiki/OSCemotePureDataTutorial I didn't read this ;) : http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg27265.html ___ animata-users mailing list animata-users@lists.kitchenbudapest.hu http://lists.kitchenbudapest.hu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/animata-users
