Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <20191223180753.af7f9f79718891d8e76b551cf73e1563.1c863887b3.mailapi@ email19.godaddy.com>, "Fi Shing" wrote: >You're suggesting that RIR should have reasonable oversight of internet >resources? Not really. My comments weer directed rather explicitly at IRRs, which is a somewhat

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Fi Shing
You're suggesting that RIR should have reasonable oversight of internet resources? That would make too much sense! In the mean time, here's a brick wall for you to hit your head against: https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/images/BrickWall.jpg In reality, the RIR (and ICANN) should be

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Job Snijders
Dear all, On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:09 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > I feel sure that other IRRs have some or all of the same issues. RADB > stands out however due to its continued widespread use. The above statement is true, and the good news is that there is work under way to reduce the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
Regarding this general idea of having some authority make route announcements for unallocated/unassigned blocks, Mr. Azimov is quite clerly correct that Bad Actors could still promulgate more specific announcements. The solution is obvious. All such preemptive announcements could be deaggregated

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Randy Bush
> as Alexander Azimov pointed out: people can just announce a *less* > specific, which will be "Not Found" even if an AS0 ROA exists for more > specific. And because there is no competing (valid/not found) > announcement they will attract the traffic. this was brought up in the sidr wg when as0

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Brian Nisbet
Erik, Randy mentioned this, but to be very explicit, this policy is not being discussed in the AA-WG. It was X-posted here to make the members of this WG aware of a policy being proposed in Routing, so the discussion etc. is taking place there. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Randy Bush wrote: >first, as $subject says, if anywhere, this should be in the routing wg. >let us resist the inclination to make what was the anti spam wg the net >police, judge, and jury. OK. Fine. May we at least be the executioner? >on the proposal itself, i am of two

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Randy Bush
erik, > Personally, I'm not in favour of this policy as I don't like the NCC > to start to injecting ROA's that are not allocated or assigned to > members or end-users. > > I think it sets the wrong precedence for the community and it could > open up for scope creep to abuse the system for other

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-08 New Policy Proposal (RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned RIPE NCC Address Space) to be discussed on Routing Working Group Mailing List

2019-12-23 Thread Erik Bais
Hi Petrit & Brian, Could you provide some insight on the status of this proposal ? I've seen not much (if at all...) discussion on the topic on the ML. I've seen that the discussion phase is already passed and we are more than a month further . . . and even for the AA-WG ML, with no