Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Policy Proposal Withdrawn (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-09-09 Thread Randy Bush
> I disagree that it did not reach consensus. There was never any proper > measure of whether it reached consensus. i will admit to being lazy/busy and have not looked at pdp to confirm. but ... i believe that the way we measure consensus is by looking at the faces of the co-chairs. that's why

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Policy Proposal Withdrawn (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-09-09 Thread Brian Nisbet
Jordi, Thank you, yes, we're aware of that, and I know you know the PDP quite well, but I felt it was worth stating the relevant piece for others. We will be back to you soon. Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Report & Co-Chair's Decision on Proposal 2019-04

2020-09-09 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
I don’t think this is correct, at least not for google, amazon, and other big providers, which I send email with abuses every other day and they react to it and resolve them. El 8/9/20 16:33, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Alex de Joode" escribió: As abuse notices might have legal

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Report & Co-Chair's Decision on Proposal 2019-04

2020-09-09 Thread Ángel González Berdasco
El mié, 09-09-2020 a las 08:52 +0200, Alessandro Vesely escribió: > On Tue 08/Sep/2020 16:33:20 +0200 Alex de Joode wrote: > > A webform, for a regulator, most likely will be seen as an > > 'upgrade'. Note that FB and Google also *only accept* complaints, > > notices etc via webforms. So one can

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Policy Proposal Withdrawn (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-09-09 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Brian, I’ve already sent you (and the co-chairs and policy officer) my rational for disagreement yesterday. I’m not sure if I need to copy to the list (I will read the PDP for refreshing myself on the appeals process later on today) or how much I should wait for your response before

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Policy Proposal Withdrawn (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-09-09 Thread Brian Nisbet
Morning, If you have specific disagreements with the Co-Chairs, then please contact us at aa-wg-ch...@ripe.net with the your reasoning for 2019-04 has reached consensus. The appeals procedure beyond that is detailed in RIPE 710 and I have copied & pasted the specific paragraph here: "If a

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Report & Co-Chair's Decision on Proposal 2019-04

2020-09-09 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 08/Sep/2020 16:33:20 +0200 Alex de Joode wrote: A webform, for a regulator, most likely will be seen as an 'upgrade'. Note that FB and Google also *only accept* complaints, notices etc via webforms. So one can argue a webform is abuse@ 2.0 :)​ So I do not share you view that a webform