Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Since you brought up m3aawg I will note that it does have a best current practice for block lists which specifically declares that asking for payment for removal is not acceptable RIPE should consider only listing block lists that are managed according to accepted best practices

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Randy Bush
i think two things are being confused here; what the measurement folk find useful and what the anti-spam folk find useful. the ncc and ripe stat is not supplying the latter. it is the mail operators' choice of which anti-spam techniques to use, and i do that with one hat. but with a different

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 04/Mar/2021 17:16:34 +0100 Christian Teuschel wrote: If I am reading the feedback in this discussion correctly, the sentiment is leaning towards adding more RBLs instead of less and if that is the case we are going to look into how and when we can achieve this. Please let me know if that

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Ángel González Berdasco
El jue, 04-03-2021 a las 17:16 +0100, Christian Teuschel wrote: > Hi Elvis and Suresh, dear colleagues, > > Putting exact numbers on how many operators are using UCEProtect is > difficult, but through feedback from users, network operators and > members we understand that it is in use and that

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Randy Bush
> Given that, if RIPE NCC and its community doesn't trust UCEProtect my impression is that this wg does not really like or trust anything. it's all about not liking and rage at the machine. imiho, it is very useful that ripe stat has longitudinal measurement data on a few anti-spam technologies.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas via anti-abuse-wg
On 2021-03-04 18:16, Christian Teuschel wrote: Hi Elvis and Suresh, dear colleagues, Putting exact numbers on how many operators are using UCEProtect is difficult, but through feedback from users, network operators and members we understand that it is in use and that the provisioning of this

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Brian Nisbet
Christian, Speaking purely personally, I would certainly be in favour of RIPEstat featuring more RBLs, yes. Brian Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Christian Teuschel
Hi Elvis and Suresh, dear colleagues, Putting exact numbers on how many operators are using UCEProtect is difficult, but through feedback from users, network operators and members we understand that it is in use and that the provisioning of this RBL on RIPEstat has value. If I am reading the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget

2021-03-04 Thread Elvis Daniel Velea
Hi Christian, while it may be useful to have their data source, it only shows the RIPE NCC favors one or two operators and I think that is damaging to the whole idea of being impartial. You either include a good list of blacklist operators and their data or none. Including only a couple