Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-20 Thread Fi Shing
should move a motion on this group that the group be renamed to : "Anti-Anti-abuse Working Group" - Original Message ----- Subject: RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct From: "Brian Nisbet" Date: 1/20/20 8:19 pm To: "Fi Shing" , "an

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-20 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > I understand perfectly the concerns of those colleagues who actually want to > promote a better responsible behaviour and ensure the resources allocated to > the LIR-s are not abused or there is an effective mechanism to stop abuse. > However, as the chair kindly pointed, RIPE policy

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-20 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 05:10:46PM +0200, Tõnu Tammer via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > However, as the chair kindly pointed, RIPE policy development follows > certain rules: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710 which in > first part of the document clearly states: "Conclusions are

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
Tõnu Tammer via anti-abuse-wg wrote on 20/01/2020 15:10: According to Oxford Dictionary, consensus means an opinion that all members of a group agree with. generally speaking, internet related groups use the rfc7282 approach to determining consensus. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-20 Thread Tõnu Tammer via anti-abuse-wg
Good evening! I understand perfectly the concerns of those colleagues who actually want to promote a better responsible behaviour and ensure the resources allocated to the LIR-s are not abused or there is an effective mechanism to stop abuse.  However, as the chair kindly pointed, RIPE policy

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-20 Thread Brian Nisbet
-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct It appears you missed the point of my email. How can you say rules apply to this list, but not RIPE itself? Given the logic of many on this list: 1. You are not the internet police, 2. Some people may not agree

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-19 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight
From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Fi Shing Date: Saturday 18 January 2020 at 07:23 To: "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct It appears you missed the point of my email. How can you say rules apply to this list, but not RIPE itself? G

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-19 Thread Chriztoffer Hansen
On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 08:21, Fi Shing wrote: > Some people may not agree with a rule, so therefore there are no rules at all, Even if your friend/employer told you not to smoke on *their* premises...(?) Whenever you particpate in a community, or are with friends and/or family. There will always

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-17 Thread Fi Shing
, as an administrator enforcing this rule of "no personal attacks" would require you to open your emails, which is too much to ask of you as an administrator. - Original Message - Subject: RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct From: "Brian Nisbet" Date: 1/17

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-17 Thread Brian Nisbet
No. 20036270 From: anti-abuse-wg On Behalf Of Fi Shing Sent: Friday 17 January 2020 11:33 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct >> but we can tell you not to do it here, so please don't. Well... no, i disagree. Brian Nisbet, i woul

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct

2020-01-17 Thread Fi Shing
Original Message - Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Periodic Reminder: List Conduct From: "Brian Nisbet" Date: 1/17/20 8:23 pm To: "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" Colleagues, It seems that at some point in every large list discussion I am compelled to send a mail of this type. T