Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Gert, I think that provides a very good way to actually define it, and also coincides with my view point that it may be abuse for you and not for me, or the other way around. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 23/2/22 19:39, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Gert Doering" escribió: Hi,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 23/02/2022 20:39, Gert Doering wrote: This takes me back 50+ years to US Supreme Court Justice Stewart's definition of obscenity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it Regards, Hank Hi, On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote: I

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Markus de Brün
Hi, On 23.02.22 20:00, Laura Atkins wrote: On 23 Feb 2022, at 18:39, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote: I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. I do understand your arguments, but I'm not

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 23 Feb 2022, at 18:39, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg > wrote: >> I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. > > I do understand your arguments, but I'm not agreeing with the conclusion. >

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. I do understand your arguments, but I'm not agreeing with the conclusion. If we can't agree on "this is abuse" and "that is not", how can we

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg
Hi there, (speaking as Tobias, and not a Chair) I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. First, we will never be going to get it done. If you ask 200 people you'll get 500 opinions. We already know that from RIPE, maawg, IETF, ICANN, and every other organization in the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-18 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
e-wg Date: Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 13:52 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input! [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. I just put a couple of examples. If we defi

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-17 Thread Ángel González Berdasco
> And now that you mention it, are you sure that CSAM is illegal in 100% of the > countries? Of course it's not. Or, CSAM itself might be illegal but the definition of 'CSAM', 'child' or 'abuse' varies, so the end result is still that X is illegal in country A but not in country B. See the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg Date: Tuesday, 15 February 2022 at 11:40 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
I don’t think we can, neither should, define what is abuse. Examples are ok, but should be clear that are only examples of common considered abuse activities and not necessarily inclusive/restrictive of all the possible situations. It all depends on the origin of the claim. Simple

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-11 Thread Laura Atkins
I’m going to try and make the call, but one thing that strikes me as important for any abuse training process is to call out different kinds of abuse online. There are things that are abuse of the internet. Abuse that harms the ability of the internet to work or for people to use the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-10 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner
Am 10.02.22 um 10:25 schrieb Brian Nisbet: Colleagues, Since we last spoke about the proposed training the NCC have been working with various community members to put a draft syllabus in place for further discussion. This is a link to the feedback document for this draft:

[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-10 Thread Brian Nisbet
Colleagues, Since we last spoke about the proposed training the NCC have been working with various community members to put a draft syllabus in place for further discussion. This is a link to the feedback document for this draft: