Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On 30/06/2015 jan i wrote: It is a matter of interpretation not hate :-) Official deadline is in just about 11 hours, but we are open minded so talks coming within the next 35 hours will be considered. Thanks, submitted and hopefully others have taken advantage of this flexibility too. Will you be submitting a AOO talk or more ? In the end it's an OpenOffice talk. I considered submitting one more talk in the Community track, but honestly with the new conference format it seems better to limit submissions to one. Regards, Andrea.
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On 29/06/2015 Rich Bowen wrote: On 06/29/2015 11:04 AM, jan i wrote: Thanks, just wondering why do so many presentations come during the last 48 hours.just to make the apacheCON team nervous ? Tradition. ...and to fully obey the tradition and deserve some hate from Jan and the ApacheCon team: when exactly is the deadline? I had assumed it was in about 36 hours from now (July 1st, evening Europe time) but reading current messages it seems to be in about 11 hours, right? And sorry for being late, but indeed this is traditional! Regards, Andrea.
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On 30 June 2015 at 13:00, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 29/06/2015 Rich Bowen wrote: On 06/29/2015 11:04 AM, jan i wrote: Thanks, just wondering why do so many presentations come during the last 48 hours.just to make the apacheCON team nervous ? Tradition. ...and to fully obey the tradition and deserve some hate from Jan and the ApacheCon team: when exactly is the deadline? I had assumed it was in about 36 hours from now (July 1st, evening Europe time) but reading current messages it seems to be in about 11 hours, right? It is a matter of interpretation not hate :-) Official deadline is in just about 11 hours, but we are open minded so talks coming within the next 35 hours will be considered. Will you be submitting a AOO talk or more ? rgds jan i. And sorry for being late, but indeed this is traditional! Regards, Andrea.
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of 'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their talk. But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to get a grasp of who does what. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 06/29/2015 11:04 AM, jan i wrote: Thanks, just wondering why do so many presentations come during the last 48 hours.just to make the apacheCON team nervous ? Tradition. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On 29 June 2015 at 17:37, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 06/29/2015 11:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of 'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their talk. But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to get a grasp of who does what. Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the papers will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, but it's reality. And this time, I was part of the problem. Sorry 'bout that. actually you submitted early compared to many. and yes, I know it is part of doing what I do, to keep my nerves in balance :-) after all I have now seen it for a couple of AC. rgds jan i. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On 06/29/2015 11:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of 'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their talk. But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to get a grasp of who does what. Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the papers will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, but it's reality. And this time, I was part of the problem. Sorry 'bout that. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:04 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...just wondering why do so many presentations come during the last 48 hours.just to make the apacheCON team nervous ?... Good Ideas Need Time ;-) -Bertrand
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 06/29/2015 11:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of 'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their talk. But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to get a grasp of who does what. Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the papers will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, but it's reality. Exactly! But it makes me curious: has anybody ever tried to gamify successfully against this sad trend? Thanks, Roman. P.S. Totally a tangent -- I know ;-)
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On 6/29/15, 4:15 PM, shaposh...@gmail.com on behalf of Roman Shaposhnik shaposh...@gmail.com on behalf of ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the papers will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, but it's reality. Exactly! But it makes me curious: has anybody ever tried to gamify successfully against this sad trend? It is human nature. The word “procrastination” has the shortest definition in most dictionaries because the editors only get around to it at the last minute ;-) -Alex
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
Hello Pierre, I just have submitted the proposal for Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings presentation I'll double-check it tomorrow and will upload slides please let me know if anything else need to be done On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As Jan (Iversen) pointed out the deadline for the CFP submission for Apachecon EU 2015 is approaching rapidly. If you're still interested in hosting a talk, please submit your talk now (if you haven't already done so) and inform me soonest. I will then be able - after the deadline has passed - to evaluate the submissions and build the track. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, A few months ago I contacted you about building a track for the upcoming ApacheCon EU 2015 event in Budapest on Oct 1st-2nd. The ideas back then (and so far) were: - The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand Delacrétaz) - How a Code of Conduct Matters - (Joan Touzet) - A case study (PoC) regarding community management with OFBiz (Pierre Smits) - Due process with Apache Steve (Daniel Gruno) - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings (Maxim Solodovnik) - - Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here: https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage). I hope you are still game to make this a great track about promoting the ASF, its viewpoints on Collaboration (Community over Code) and the products from its projects. But of course there are more Apache products that can support OS communities (and which could strengthen the track). If you happen to know someone who is willing do a presentation, please have him/her contacting me. If you are still game, please ensure that you have registered your talk before coming July 1st and inform me accordingly. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com -- WBR Maxim aka solomax
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
Hi all, As Jan (Iversen) pointed out the deadline for the CFP submission for Apachecon EU 2015 is approaching rapidly. If you're still interested in hosting a talk, please submit your talk now (if you haven't already done so) and inform me soonest. I will then be able - after the deadline has passed - to evaluate the submissions and build the track. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, A few months ago I contacted you about building a track for the upcoming ApacheCon EU 2015 event in Budapest on Oct 1st-2nd. The ideas back then (and so far) were: - The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand Delacrétaz) - How a Code of Conduct Matters - (Joan Touzet) - A case study (PoC) regarding community management with OFBiz (Pierre Smits) - Due process with Apache Steve (Daniel Gruno) - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings (Maxim Solodovnik) - - Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here: https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage). I hope you are still game to make this a great track about promoting the ASF, its viewpoints on Collaboration (Community over Code) and the products from its projects. But of course there are more Apache products that can support OS communities (and which could strengthen the track). If you happen to know someone who is willing do a presentation, please have him/her contacting me. If you are still game, please ensure that you have registered your talk before coming July 1st and inform me accordingly. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
Hi, Thanks for pushing this! On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand Delacrétaz).. Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the Apache Maturity Model. ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here: https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage). ... Ok, as for the track title maybe Community Over Code - In Practice would be more catchy? I'll submit my talk before July 1st. -Bertrand
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
Hi All, Bertrand, Would the following not be a better (catchier) title for your talk: The Apache Mature Model - save your project from failing As for the track title I believe, that your suggestion is pushing it towards a narrowing direction. Now it encompasses Community and Code. We must not forget that there is a multitude of solutions available to ensure that the day to day operations (on various levels) keep on going. By inclusion of presentations about products of Apache projects we showcasing that we are a one-stop shop when it comes to building and supporting an OS community/project. Nevertheless, I am open to suggestions and might adjust it till the latest moment possible, if a good suggestion will make the event in general and the track in particular more attractive to attend. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Maxim Solodovnik solomax...@gmail.com wrote: I'll submit a talk before Jul 1st, thanks again for inviting WBR, Maxim (from mobile, sorry for the typos) On Jun 12, 2015 12:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Thanks for pushing this! On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand Delacrétaz).. Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the Apache Maturity Model. ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here: https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage). ... Ok, as for the track title maybe Community Over Code - In Practice would be more catchy? I'll submit my talk before July 1st. -Bertrand
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On 12 June 2015 at 11:12, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Jan, Hello ASFVisionApacheConCoreDiscussion, here are the politely constructed reactions of this contributor... (removing cc parties as it moves into the general discussion area). First of all: I am convinced that the future is bright and a full set of talks can be found to make the track I proposed a success. OK, I just want to make sure that you dont make the track so broad that it influences other tracks. I guess I would just like to see a bit more which talks you are thinking of. In general the track idea was for projects, but a helping hand with the other tracks is indeed a good thing. For sure there are opportunities to combine and/or reorganise tracks. A producer should always reserve that right if it helps selling more tickets. At the moment I am inclined not to be against such an action. As you say the producer has this right and as I have been writing several times building a track is not a guarantee (but nearly). Please remember in the end it is the presentations and not the tracks that are important. The tracks is a convinient way to group talks, but not something that as such has its own life. When we schedule, we will look heavely at the suggested tracks, but talks might flow between tracks to get the puzzle finished. But before providing further thoughts on the matter: could you elaborate what the talks are that are already registered in your track? First of all it is not my track, it is our eventI am just the one appointed to help coordinate this event. Look at at the preceding AC and you will see a set of commnity talks, that we of course hope to repeat in Budapest. examples are: - state of the feather (keynote in budapest) - the apache way - how to make money with apache. Last time there was also talks about building communities. And dont forget we also have a incubator track, that touches the same theme. Please do not misunderstand me, anybody lending a helping hand is welcome, I am just trying to make sure the big puzzle works, and in any case the presentations you come up with will be reviewed like other presentations. on behalf of the apachecon team jan i. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:28 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. May I politely intervene here. Pierre@ I think it is super that you volunteer to make an extra track, but we do need to coordinate things. Your track is very close to the community track and do you really see 6 talks on this theme ? community over code is not a good track name, since it will make the difference to the community track invisible. I see two solutions, you narrow your track to it does not conflict with the community track, or we integrate the 2 tracks, and you build that. Bertrand@ the maturity presentation is super, pierre beat me in asking for such a talk. rgds jan i. On 12 June 2015 at 09:26, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Bertrand, Would the following not be a better (catchier) title for your talk: The Apache Mature Model - save your project from failing As for the track title I believe, that your suggestion is pushing it towards a narrowing direction. Now it encompasses Community and Code. We must not forget that there is a multitude of solutions available to ensure that the day to day operations (on various levels) keep on going. By inclusion of presentations about products of Apache projects we showcasing that we are a one-stop shop when it comes to building and supporting an OS community/project. Nevertheless, I am open to suggestions and might adjust it till the latest moment possible, if a good suggestion will make the event in general and the track in particular more attractive to attend. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Maxim Solodovnik solomax...@gmail.com wrote: I'll submit a talk before Jul 1st, thanks again for inviting WBR, Maxim (from mobile, sorry for the typos) On Jun 12, 2015 12:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Thanks for pushing this! On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand Delacrétaz).. Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the Apache Maturity Model. ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here:
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
Hi. May I politely intervene here. Pierre@ I think it is super that you volunteer to make an extra track, but we do need to coordinate things. Your track is very close to the community track and do you really see 6 talks on this theme ? community over code is not a good track name, since it will make the difference to the community track invisible. I see two solutions, you narrow your track to it does not conflict with the community track, or we integrate the 2 tracks, and you build that. Bertrand@ the maturity presentation is super, pierre beat me in asking for such a talk. rgds jan i. On 12 June 2015 at 09:26, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Bertrand, Would the following not be a better (catchier) title for your talk: The Apache Mature Model - save your project from failing As for the track title I believe, that your suggestion is pushing it towards a narrowing direction. Now it encompasses Community and Code. We must not forget that there is a multitude of solutions available to ensure that the day to day operations (on various levels) keep on going. By inclusion of presentations about products of Apache projects we showcasing that we are a one-stop shop when it comes to building and supporting an OS community/project. Nevertheless, I am open to suggestions and might adjust it till the latest moment possible, if a good suggestion will make the event in general and the track in particular more attractive to attend. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Maxim Solodovnik solomax...@gmail.com wrote: I'll submit a talk before Jul 1st, thanks again for inviting WBR, Maxim (from mobile, sorry for the typos) On Jun 12, 2015 12:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Thanks for pushing this! On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand Delacrétaz).. Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the Apache Maturity Model. ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here: https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage). ... Ok, as for the track title maybe Community Over Code - In Practice would be more catchy? I'll submit my talk before July 1st. -Bertrand
Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration
On 12 June 2015 at 11:41, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:45 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: ...Would you consider making 2 tracks - a overview of the maturity model, why it is needed and e.g. other ways of measuring - an in depth, with a walk through of applying the model on a project, and some overview of where are projects are... I guess you mean 2 talks - I'm not sure if the in depth part is that interesting, my idea was more to explain the reasoning behind the model, why it is also useful outside of Apache (in your company, in your project on github etc) and give a few examples of how we implement it in our projects. So more a high-level overview, trying to help people understand and motivate them to use the model. Sounds like a good talk to me, and if there are people (which I know there are) who have specific questions on how to use the model, I am sure you will be a willing teacher. I'm planning to submit several talks anyway, so two on this topic might be too much, IMO. You might be right. Apart from that I find the theme very interesting I also try to get people to submit talks. Btw. using the model on AOO, gives a to me unexpected result, that somehow looks different than what I experience. rgds jan i. -Bertrand
