Re: ApacheCon EU?

[Rich Bowen]

On 08/14/2017 10:52 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 08/10/2017 08:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> I'm also waiting news regarding ApacheCon EU, maybe we can sen this email
>>> to dev@?
>>
>> Which dev@ ?
>>
> 
> dev@community.a.o :)


Ok. It was discussed extensively there, but a followup email can't hurt,
I suppose. Will do.

--Rich

> 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Shawn McKinney 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Myrle,

 I’ll have a look at that link you sent, maybe there’s something valuable
 that I can contribute.  Like that name, has a nice ring to it, and thanks
 for weighing in.

 Shawn

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:57 AM, Myrle Krantz  wrote:
>
> It's beginning to sound like there won't be an ApacheCon in the EU.
> Should that be the case, may I suggest you come to the micro-summit
> that Isabel is organizing in Berlin on November 20th?
> http://FOSS-backstage.de
>
> Liebe Grüsse,
> Myrle
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Shawn McKinney 
 wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> trying to get my Fall conference schedule all worked out.  To date have
 yet to see an announcement WRT a fall apachecon in the EU.  Have I missed
 something, or has it yet to be announced?
>>
>> Please advise,
>> Shawn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>>
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon



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Re: ApacheCon EU?

[Maxim Solodovnik]

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>
>
> On 08/10/2017 08:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> I'm also waiting news regarding ApacheCon EU, maybe we can sen this email
>> to dev@?
>
> Which dev@ ?
>

dev@community.a.o :)

>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Shawn McKinney 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Myrle,
>>>
>>> I’ll have a look at that link you sent, maybe there’s something valuable
>>> that I can contribute.  Like that name, has a nice ring to it, and thanks
>>> for weighing in.
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>>
 On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:57 AM, Myrle Krantz  wrote:

 It's beginning to sound like there won't be an ApacheCon in the EU.
 Should that be the case, may I suggest you come to the micro-summit
 that Isabel is organizing in Berlin on November 20th?
 http://FOSS-backstage.de

 Liebe Grüsse,
 Myrle

 On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Shawn McKinney 
>>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> trying to get my Fall conference schedule all worked out.  To date have
>>> yet to see an announcement WRT a fall apachecon in the EU.  Have I missed
>>> something, or has it yet to be announced?
>
> Please advise,
> Shawn
>
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>



-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: ApacheCon EU?

[Rich Bowen]

We will not be holding an official ApacheCon in Europe this year. We are
attempting, instead, to more actively participate in various other
events while we regroup and plan for 2018.

--Rich

On 08/07/2017 11:43 AM, Shawn McKinney wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> trying to get my Fall conference schedule all worked out.  To date have yet 
> to see an announcement WRT a fall apachecon in the EU.  Have I missed 
> something, or has it yet to be announced?
> 
> Please advise,
> Shawn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon



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Re: ApacheCon EU?

[Maxim Solodovnik]

I'm also waiting news regarding ApacheCon EU, maybe we can sen this email
to dev@?

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Shawn McKinney 
wrote:

> Hi Myrle,
>
> I’ll have a look at that link you sent, maybe there’s something valuable
> that I can contribute.  Like that name, has a nice ring to it, and thanks
> for weighing in.
>
> Shawn
>
> > On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:57 AM, Myrle Krantz  wrote:
> >
> > It's beginning to sound like there won't be an ApacheCon in the EU.
> > Should that be the case, may I suggest you come to the micro-summit
> > that Isabel is organizing in Berlin on November 20th?
> > http://FOSS-backstage.de
> >
> > Liebe Grüsse,
> > Myrle
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Shawn McKinney 
> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> trying to get my Fall conference schedule all worked out.  To date have
> yet to see an announcement WRT a fall apachecon in the EU.  Have I missed
> something, or has it yet to be announced?
> >>
> >> Please advise,
> >> Shawn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>


-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: ApacheCon EU?

[Myrle Krantz]

It's beginning to sound like there won't be an ApacheCon in the EU.
Should that be the case, may I suggest you come to the micro-summit
that Isabel is organizing in Berlin on November 20th?
http://FOSS-backstage.de

Liebe Grüsse,
Myrle

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Shawn McKinney  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> trying to get my Fall conference schedule all worked out.  To date have yet 
> to see an announcement WRT a fall apachecon in the EU.  Have I missed 
> something, or has it yet to be announced?
>
> Please advise,
> Shawn
>
>
>
>
>

Re: UPDATED INFO RE CLOSING DATE...was Re: ApacheCon EU 2016 Travel Assistance Applications are now open!

[Melissa Warnkin]

Dear Elezer,Thank you for your email. We will have his email address removed 
from the list(s) he had been subscribed to.Have a pleasant day and best 
regards,Melissa WarnkinExecutive Assistant

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Subject: UPDATED INFO RE CLOSING DATE...was Re: ApacheCon EU 2016 Travel 
Assistance Applications are now open!

Hi all,
Please be advised that the closing date to submit an application for travel 
assistance has been changed to September 16th.
Please note that this date is before speaker notifications are announced. 
Therefore, if you are waiting to see if your talk is approved before applying 
for travel assistance, please don't, otherwise you'll miss the deadline to 
apply!!
I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for 
understanding! If you have any questions, you may email me directly at 
e...@apache.org with a copy to travel-assista...@apache.org.
Have a terrific Thursday!
~Melissaon behalf of the Travel Assistance Committee

      From: Rich Bowen <rbo...@apache.org>
 To: annou...@apachecon.com; apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:51 AM
 Subject: ApacheCon EU 2016 Travel Assistance Applications are now open!
  
The Travel Assistance Committee (TAC) are pleased to announce that travel 
assistance applications for ApacheCon EU 2016 are now open! We will be 
supporting ApacheCon EU, Seville, Spain, November 14th - 18th, 2016.

TAC exists to help those that would like to attend ApacheCon events, but are 
unable to do so for financial reasons. For more info on this years applications 
and qualifying criteria, please visit the TAC website at < 
http://www.apache.org/travel/ >. Applications are already open, so don't delay!
ApacheCon EU is split into two separate themed events - Apache Big Data and 
ApacheCon.  Due to the small time frame of each event (3 days and 2 days), the 
Apache Travel Assistance Committee will only be accepting applications from 
those people that are able to attend BOTH events.

Important: Applications close on Thursday, September 29, 2016.
Applicants have until the closing date above to submit their applications 
(which should contain as much supporting material as required to efficiently 
and accurately process their request), this will enable TAC to announce 
successful awards shortly afterwards.

As usual, TAC expects to deal with a range of applications from a diverse range 
of backgrounds. We therefore encourage (as always) anyone thinking about 
sending in an application to do so ASAP.

We look forward to greeting many of you in Seville, Spain in November 2016.

Kind Regards,
Rich, on behalf of Melissa, on behalf of the Travel Assistance Committee


--
Rich Bowen
WWW: http://apachecon.com/
Twitter: @ApacheCon


  

   

UPDATED INFO RE CLOSING DATE...was Re: ApacheCon EU 2016 Travel Assistance Applications are now open!

[Melissa Warnkin]

Hi all,
Please be advised that the closing date to submit an application for travel 
assistance has been changed to September 16th.
Please note that this date is before speaker notifications are announced. 
Therefore, if you are waiting to see if your talk is approved before applying 
for travel assistance, please don't, otherwise you'll miss the deadline to 
apply!!
I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for 
understanding! If you have any questions, you may email me directly at 
e...@apache.org with a copy to travel-assista...@apache.org.
Have a terrific Thursday!
~Melissaon behalf of the Travel Assistance Committee

  From: Rich Bowen 
 To: annou...@apachecon.com; apachecon-discuss@apache.org 
 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:51 AM
 Subject: ApacheCon EU 2016 Travel Assistance Applications are now open!
   
The Travel Assistance Committee (TAC) are pleased to announce that
travel assistance applications for ApacheCon EU 2016 are now open! We
will be supporting ApacheCon EU, Seville, Spain, November 14th - 18th, 2016.

TAC exists to help those that would like to attend ApacheCon events, but
are unable to do so for financial reasons. For more info on this years
applications and qualifying criteria, please visit the TAC website at <
http://www.apache.org/travel/ >. Applications are already open, so don't
delay!
ApacheCon EU is split into two separate themed events - Apache Big Data
and ApacheCon.  Due to the small time frame of each event (3 days and 2
days), the Apache Travel Assistance Committee will only be accepting
applications from those people that are able to attend BOTH events.

Important: Applications close on Thursday, September 29, 2016.
Applicants have until the closing date above to submit their
applications (which should contain as much supporting material as
required to efficiently and accurately process their request), this will
enable TAC to announce successful awards shortly afterwards.

As usual, TAC expects to deal with a range of applications from a
diverse range of backgrounds. We therefore encourage (as always) anyone
thinking about sending in an application to do so ASAP.

We look forward to greeting many of you in Seville, Spain in November 2016.

Kind Regards,
Rich, on behalf of Melissa, on behalf of the Travel Assistance Committee


-- 
Rich Bowen
WWW: http://apachecon.com/
Twitter: @ApacheCon


  

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[jan i]

On Monday, July 6, 2015, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am of course less of the marketing or advertising guru than you are when
 it comes to thinking up a track description that will drive sales of
 ApacheCon tickets through the roof, but yes; it can use a combover to add a
 bit more of the appropriate buzzwords to give it that extra pizazz and
 umpfh that will make such happen. Luckily there is still quite some time
 available before the event starts to come up with that.


Track names are not that important, because they are not really part of the
marketing

That said track names works best if they are a single word or two,
otherwise they
do not really fit on the monitors.

I think many of the talks Pierre have found are both relevant and
interesting, but
sitting with the schedule I can see how big the conflict with the community
track is.
My preference right now is to have 2 community tracks one each day.

We can still use the text about the track, in our internal marketing, but
please do
not forget this is a LF event, and marketing is their responsibility not
ours (even
though we of course help).

Actually there are not quite some time. I have to get the schedule finished
in a day or two,
for several reasons:
- so presentors having talks that belong to big data have a change to
submit for big data
- so presentors accepted have a chance to apply for travel assistance if
needed
- so LF (and sally) can start marketing based on the actual program

I do think some of Pierre´s ideas is really worth thinking more about, and
maybe
split the community track in vancouver in the traditional and a possible
future.

rgds
jan i

 Best regards,.




 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com javascript:; wrote:

  This is a great goal. The track description doesn't concert this goal, so
  if suggest it is the description that is problematic rather than the
 really
  selection.
 
  Sent from my Windows Phone
  
  From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com javascript:;
  Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 4:15 PM
  To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org javascript:;mailto:
 apachecon-discuss@apache.org javascript:;
  Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF
 contributors
  and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
 
  I am just trying to think outside of the paths traveled before. And come
 up
  with new angles, that could increase attendance and thus potentially
  increase adoption of Apache products. Which can lead to more contributors
  and even better products.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Pierre Smits
 
  *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
  Services  Solutions for Cloud-
  Based Manufacturing, Professional
  Services and Retail  Trade
  http://www.orrtiz.com
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:05 AM, jan i j...@apache.org javascript:;
 wrote:
 
   On 6 July 2015 at 00:56, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
  
Of course you are entitled to your opinions (and I respect them)  and
advice the producer accordingly.
   
  
   We are all entitled to our opinions, but making each other understand
 why
   something does not work is even better. When you suggested the track, I
   made you aware that it would be close to the community track, and at
  least
   some will see it as an extension of the community track, therefore we
  need
   to be more careful with the content than with e.g. the ofbiz track.
  
   I am not trying to diminish your work, but simply make sure all tracks
  work
   together.
  
   keep up the good work.
   rgds
   jan i.
  
  
   
Best regards,
   
Pierre Smits
   
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
   
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:48 AM, jan i j...@apache.org
 javascript:; wrote:
   
 On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 javascript:;
  wrote:

  Thank you, Ross.
 
  When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF
  contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF
projects
  in building their communities, then you are probably right. The
 ASF
   has
 it
  structures and policies and such in place.
 
  But there is a multitude of other open source communities out
  there.
And
  those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and
 ASF
  projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another
  thread
   -
 can
  provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In
  the
end
  it is all about attracting attendees, right?
 
 No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a
 track

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[jan i]

On 5 July 2015 at 23:08, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI All,

 Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
 potential track.

 *Introduction*

 The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
 supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the fore
 front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
 software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
 areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and big
 data.
 The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations that
 utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that can
 help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various products
 of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.

 This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
 build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
 Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
 day operations.

 *Talks*
 #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache Code
 of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115

 This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
 available in the communities of open source projects, how project
 management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
 happy.


 #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
 Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085

 This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and guard
 the healthiness of its project(s).


 #3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071

 This talks is about the Audio  Video Conferencing solution of the ASF that
 can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or its
 supporting organisation.


 #4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre Smits,
 The Netherlands

 This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the contributor
 base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation of
 permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything
 happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part of
 which project and in what kind of role.

 #5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree! By
 Sharan Foga, Czech Republic
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029

 Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code. Opposing
 viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach
 consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy
 project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and
 express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must also
 be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required
 when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have.


 #6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168

 This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open source
 development came to its philosophies and brought contributors all over the
 world together to build some of the greatest open source products in
 existence today.

this belongs in the community track.



 #7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United Kingdom
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169

this belongs in the community track.



 Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned help to give
 the theory that extra punch to get the message across.

 #8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap Between Enterprise Users and Open Source.
 By Mike Bates, USA http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6107

 I see this presentation as a potential driving force to increase the
 adoption of Open Source solutions in general and of Apache products in
 particular. After all, no open source project can exists without users.


 Should you have questions and or remarks regarding this, feel free to post.

thanks for submitting the track.

rgds
jan i.



 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, I'm objecting to 
the implication that they are a central part to ASF community development 
processes.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com
Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 3:24 PM
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick 
Burchmailto:n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim 
Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike 
Batesmailto:mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela 
Brownmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and 
ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that  brings together 
some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
day operations.

To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the abstracts 
within the ASF.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick 
Burchmailto:n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim 
Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike 
Batesmailto:mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela 
Brownmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF 
Products can help building Open Source Communities

HI All,

Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
potential track.

*Introduction*

The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the fore
front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and big
data.
The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations that
utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that can
help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various products
of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.

This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
day operations.

*Talks*
#1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache Code
of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115

This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
available in the communities of open source projects, how project
management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
happy.


#2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085

This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and guard
the healthiness of its project(s).


#3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071

This talks is about the Audio  Video Conferencing solution of the ASF that
can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or its
supporting organisation.


#4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre Smits,
The Netherlands

This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the contributor
base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation of
permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything
happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part of
which project and in what kind of role.

#5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree! By
Sharan Foga, Czech Republic
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029

Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code. Opposing
viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach
consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy
project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and
express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must also
be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required
when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have.


#6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom
http

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[jan i]

On 6 July 2015 at 00:23, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

 I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that  brings
 together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
 build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
 Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
 day operations.

 To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the
 abstracts within the ASF.

good catch, thanks. The presentations might fit elsewhere, but that is a
different matter.

rgds
jan i.



 Sent from my Windows Phone
 
 From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick Burchmailto:
 n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
 Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
 mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
 ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
 Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and
 ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

 HI All,

 Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
 potential track.

 *Introduction*

 The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
 supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the fore
 front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
 software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
 areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and big
 data.
 The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations that
 utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that can
 help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various products
 of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.

 This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
 build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
 Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
 day operations.

 *Talks*
 #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache Code
 of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115

 This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
 available in the communities of open source projects, how project
 management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
 happy.


 #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
 Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085

 This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and guard
 the healthiness of its project(s).


 #3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071

 This talks is about the Audio  Video Conferencing solution of the ASF that
 can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or its
 supporting organisation.


 #4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre Smits,
 The Netherlands

 This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the contributor
 base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation of
 permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything
 happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part of
 which project and in what kind of role.

 #5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree! By
 Sharan Foga, Czech Republic
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029

 Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code. Opposing
 viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach
 consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy
 project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and
 express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must also
 be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required
 when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have.


 #6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168

 This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open source
 development came to its philosophies and brought contributors all over the
 world together to build some of the greatest open source products in
 existence today.


 #7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United Kingdom
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169

 Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned help to give
 the theory that extra punch to get the message across.

 #8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap 

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[Pierre Smits]

Of course you are entitled to your opinions (and I respect them)  and
advice the producer accordingly.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:48 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thank you, Ross.
 
  When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF
  contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF projects
  in building their communities, then you are probably right. The ASF has
 it
  structures and policies and such in place.
 
  But there is a multitude of other open source communities out there. And
  those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and ASF
  projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another thread -
 can
  provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In the end
  it is all about attracting attendees, right?
 
 No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a track a name
 we also
 set an expectation, and anything related to community will be seen as
 apache
 communities.

 Therefore I agree with Ross, which does not mean that these talks will be
 rejected, they
 might fit in other tracks.

 Please also note, the apache way is part of the community track, that is
 tradition.

 rgds
 jan I.


 
  Best regards,
 
  Pierre Smits
 
  *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
  Services  Solutions for Cloud-
  Based Manufacturing, Professional
  Services and Retail  Trade
  http://www.orrtiz.com
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
  ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, I'm
  objecting
   to the implication that they are a central part to ASF community
   development processes.
  
   Sent from my Windows Phone
   
   From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com
   Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 3:24 PM
   To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
   Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick
  Burchmailto:
   n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
   Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
   mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
   ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
   Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF
  contributors
   and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
  
   I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that  brings
   together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
   build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
   Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day
  to
   day operations.
  
   To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the
   abstracts within the ASF.
  
   Sent from my Windows Phone
   
   From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
   Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
   To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
   Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick
  Burchmailto:
   n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
   Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
   mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
   ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
   Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors
  and
   ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
  
   HI All,
  
   Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
   potential track.
  
   *Introduction*
  
   The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
   supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the
  fore
   front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
   software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
   areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and
 big
   data.
   The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations
  that
   utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that
 can
   help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various
  products
   of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.
  
   This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies
  to
   build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
   Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day
  to
   day operations.
  
   *Talks*
   #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache
  Code
   of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
   http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals

RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that  brings together 
some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
day operations.

To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the abstracts 
within the ASF.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick 
Burchmailto:n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim 
Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike 
Batesmailto:mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela 
Brownmailto:ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF 
Products can help building Open Source Communities

HI All,

Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
potential track.

*Introduction*

The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the fore
front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and big
data.
The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations that
utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that can
help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various products
of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.

This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
day operations.

*Talks*
#1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache Code
of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115

This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
available in the communities of open source projects, how project
management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
happy.


#2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085

This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and guard
the healthiness of its project(s).


#3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071

This talks is about the Audio  Video Conferencing solution of the ASF that
can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or its
supporting organisation.


#4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre Smits,
The Netherlands

This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the contributor
base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation of
permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything
happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part of
which project and in what kind of role.

#5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree! By
Sharan Foga, Czech Republic
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029

Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code. Opposing
viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach
consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy
project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and
express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must also
be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required
when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have.


#6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168

This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open source
development came to its philosophies and brought contributors all over the
world together to build some of the greatest open source products in
existence today.


#7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United Kingdom
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169

Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned help to give
the theory that extra punch to get the message across.

#8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap Between Enterprise Users and Open Source.
By Mike Bates, USA http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6107

I see this presentation as a potential driving force to increase the
adoption of Open Source solutions in general and of Apache products in
particular. After all, 

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[jan i]

On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you, Ross.

 When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF
 contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF projects
 in building their communities, then you are probably right. The ASF has it
 structures and policies and such in place.

 But there is a multitude of other open source communities out there. And
 those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and ASF
 projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another thread - can
 provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In the end
 it is all about attracting attendees, right?

No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a track a name
we also
set an expectation, and anything related to community will be seen as
apache
communities.

Therefore I agree with Ross, which does not mean that these talks will be
rejected, they
might fit in other tracks.

Please also note, the apache way is part of the community track, that is
tradition.

rgds
jan I.



 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

  To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, I'm
 objecting
  to the implication that they are a central part to ASF community
  development processes.
 
  Sent from my Windows Phone
  
  From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com
  Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 3:24 PM
  To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
  Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick
 Burchmailto:
  n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
  Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
  mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
  ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
  Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF
 contributors
  and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
 
  I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that  brings
  together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
  build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
  Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day
 to
  day operations.
 
  To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the
  abstracts within the ASF.
 
  Sent from my Windows Phone
  
  From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
  Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
  To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
  Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick
 Burchmailto:
  n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
  Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
  mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
  ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
  Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors
 and
  ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities
 
  HI All,
 
  Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
  potential track.
 
  *Introduction*
 
  The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
  supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the
 fore
  front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
  software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
  areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and big
  data.
  The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations
 that
  utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that can
  help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various
 products
  of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.
 
  This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies
 to
  build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
  Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day
 to
  day operations.
 
  *Talks*
  #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache
 Code
  of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115
 
  This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
  available in the communities of open source projects, how project
  management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
  happy.
 
 
  #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
  Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085
 
  This talk is about how to an open source community can measure

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[Pierre Smits]

I am just trying to think outside of the paths traveled before. And come up
with new angles, that could increase attendance and thus potentially
increase adoption of Apache products. Which can lead to more contributors
and even better products.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:05 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 6 July 2015 at 00:56, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Of course you are entitled to your opinions (and I respect them)  and
  advice the producer accordingly.
 

 We are all entitled to our opinions, but making each other understand why
 something does not work is even better. When you suggested the track, I
 made you aware that it would be close to the community track, and at least
 some will see it as an extension of the community track, therefore we need
 to be more careful with the content than with e.g. the ofbiz track.

 I am not trying to diminish your work, but simply make sure all tracks work
 together.

 keep up the good work.
 rgds
 jan i.


 
  Best regards,
 
  Pierre Smits
 
  *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
  Services  Solutions for Cloud-
  Based Manufacturing, Professional
  Services and Retail  Trade
  http://www.orrtiz.com
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:48 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
   On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Thank you, Ross.
   
When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF
contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF
  projects
in building their communities, then you are probably right. The ASF
 has
   it
structures and policies and such in place.
   
But there is a multitude of other open source communities out there.
  And
those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and ASF
projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another thread
 -
   can
provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In the
  end
it is all about attracting attendees, right?
   
   No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a track a
  name
   we also
   set an expectation, and anything related to community will be seen as
   apache
   communities.
  
   Therefore I agree with Ross, which does not mean that these talks will
 be
   rejected, they
   might fit in other tracks.
  
   Please also note, the apache way is part of the community track, that
  is
   tradition.
  
   rgds
   jan I.
  
  
   
Best regards,
   
Pierre Smits
   
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
   
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, I'm
objecting
 to the implication that they are a central part to ASF community
 development processes.

 Sent from my Windows Phone
 
 From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)mailto:
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com
 Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 3:24 PM
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:
 apachecon-discuss@apache.org
  
 Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick
Burchmailto:
 n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
 Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
 mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
 ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
 Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF
contributors
 and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

 I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that 
  brings
 together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
 build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of
  the
 Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the
  day
to
 day operations.

 To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the
 abstracts within the ASF.

 Sent from my Windows Phone
 
 From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:
 apachecon-discuss@apache.org
  
 Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick
Burchmailto:
 n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
 Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
 mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
 ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
 Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF
  contributors
and
 ASF Products can help

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[jan i]

On Monday, July 6, 2015, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:

 Question: is this track an appropriate place to talk about ASF
 Incubator and podling specifics vs. TLP communities?

it could be, but you have your own Incubator track, and I am sitting
waiting to hear
which talks you wants to go there.

Which talk did you think about for this track, I cannot see a talk that
compares podlings and TLP?

rgds
jan i


 Thanks,
 Roman.

 On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
  HI All,
 
  Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
  potential track.
 
  *Introduction*
 
  The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
  supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the
 fore
  front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
  software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
  areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and big
  data.
  The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations
 that
  utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that can
  help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various
 products
  of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.
 
  This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies
 to
  build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
  Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day
 to
  day operations.
 
  *Talks*
  #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache
 Code
  of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115
 
  This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
  available in the communities of open source projects, how project
  management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
  happy.
 
 
  #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
  Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085
 
  This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and guard
  the healthiness of its project(s).
 
 
  #3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071
 
  This talks is about the Audio  Video Conferencing solution of the ASF
 that
  can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or its
  supporting organisation.
 
 
  #4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre
 Smits,
  The Netherlands
 
  This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the contributor
  base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation of
  permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything
  happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part
 of
  which project and in what kind of role.
 
  #5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree!
 By
  Sharan Foga, Czech Republic
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029
 
  Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code. Opposing
  viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach
  consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy
  project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and
  express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must
 also
  be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required
  when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have.
 
 
  #6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168
 
  This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open source
  development came to its philosophies and brought contributors all over
 the
  world together to build some of the greatest open source products in
  existence today.
 
 
  #7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United Kingdom
  http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169
 
  Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned help to
 give
  the theory that extra punch to get the message across.
 
  #8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap Between Enterprise Users and Open Source.
  By Mike Bates, USA http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6107
 
  I see this presentation as a potential driving force to increase the
  adoption of Open Source solutions in general and of Apache products in
  particular. After all, no open source project can exists without users.
 
 
  Should you have questions and or remarks regarding this, feel free to
 post.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Pierre Smits
 
  *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
  Services  Solutions for Cloud-
  Based Manufacturing, Professional
  Services and Retail  Trade
  

Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[Roman Shaposhnik]

Question: is this track an appropriate place to talk about ASF
Incubator and podling specifics vs. TLP communities?

Thanks,
Roman.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
 HI All,

 Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned
 potential track.

 *Introduction*

 The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in
 supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the fore
 front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous
 software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key
 areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and big
 data.
 The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations that
 utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that can
 help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various products
 of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities.

 This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
 build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the
 Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day to
 day operations.

 *Talks*
 #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache Code
 of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link:
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115

 This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already
 available in the communities of open source projects, how project
 management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community
 happy.


 #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By
 Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085

 This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and guard
 the healthiness of its project(s).


 #3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071

 This talks is about the Audio  Video Conferencing solution of the ASF that
 can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or its
 supporting organisation.


 #4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre Smits,
 The Netherlands

 This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the contributor
 base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation of
 permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything
 happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part of
 which project and in what kind of role.

 #5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree! By
 Sharan Foga, Czech Republic
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029

 Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code. Opposing
 viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach
 consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy
 project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and
 express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must also
 be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required
 when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have.


 #6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168

 This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open source
 development came to its philosophies and brought contributors all over the
 world together to build some of the greatest open source products in
 existence today.


 #7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United Kingdom
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169

 Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned help to give
 the theory that extra punch to get the message across.

 #8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap Between Enterprise Users and Open Source.
 By Mike Bates, USA http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6107

 I see this presentation as a potential driving force to increase the
 adoption of Open Source solutions in general and of Apache products in
 particular. After all, no open source project can exists without users.


 Should you have questions and or remarks regarding this, feel free to post.

 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

This is a great goal. The track description doesn't concert this goal, so if 
suggest it is the description that is problematic rather than the really 
selection.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 4:15 PM
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors and 
ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

I am just trying to think outside of the paths traveled before. And come up
with new angles, that could increase attendance and thus potentially
increase adoption of Apache products. Which can lead to more contributors
and even better products.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
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Services and Retail  Trade
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:05 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 6 July 2015 at 00:56, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Of course you are entitled to your opinions (and I respect them)  and
  advice the producer accordingly.
 

 We are all entitled to our opinions, but making each other understand why
 something does not work is even better. When you suggested the track, I
 made you aware that it would be close to the community track, and at least
 some will see it as an extension of the community track, therefore we need
 to be more careful with the content than with e.g. the ofbiz track.

 I am not trying to diminish your work, but simply make sure all tracks work
 together.

 keep up the good work.
 rgds
 jan i.


 
  Best regards,
 
  Pierre Smits
 
  *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
  Services  Solutions for Cloud-
  Based Manufacturing, Professional
  Services and Retail  Trade
  http://www.orrtiz.com
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:48 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
   On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Thank you, Ross.
   
When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF
contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF
  projects
in building their communities, then you are probably right. The ASF
 has
   it
structures and policies and such in place.
   
But there is a multitude of other open source communities out there.
  And
those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and ASF
projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another thread
 -
   can
provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In the
  end
it is all about attracting attendees, right?
   
   No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a track a
  name
   we also
   set an expectation, and anything related to community will be seen as
   apache
   communities.
  
   Therefore I agree with Ross, which does not mean that these talks will
 be
   rejected, they
   might fit in other tracks.
  
   Please also note, the apache way is part of the community track, that
  is
   tradition.
  
   rgds
   jan I.
  
  
   
Best regards,
   
Pierre Smits
   
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Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
   
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, I'm
objecting
 to the implication that they are a central part to ASF community
 development processes.

 Sent from my Windows Phone
 
 From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)mailto:
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com
 Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 3:24 PM
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:
 apachecon-discuss@apache.org
  
 Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Nick
Burchmailto:
 n...@apache.org; Sharan Fogamailto:sharan.f...@gmail.com; Maxim
 Solodovnikmailto:solomax...@gmail.com; Mike Batesmailto:
 mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com; Angela Brownmailto:
 ang...@linuxfoundation.org; Joan Touzetmailto:woh...@apache.org
 Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF
contributors
 and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities

 I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that 
  brings
 together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to
 build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of
  the
 Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the
  day
to
 day operations.

 To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the
 abstracts within the ASF.

 Sent from my Windows Phone
 
 From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 Sent: ‎7/‎5/‎2015 2:08 PM
 To: apachecon-discuss

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 30/06/2015 jan i wrote:

It is a matter of interpretation not hate :-)
Official deadline is in just about 11 hours, but we are open minded so
talks coming within the next 35 hours will be considered.


Thanks, submitted and hopefully others have taken advantage of this 
flexibility too.



Will you be submitting a AOO talk or more ?


In the end it's an OpenOffice talk. I considered submitting one more 
talk in the Community track, but honestly with the new conference format 
it seems better to limit submissions to one.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 29/06/2015 Rich Bowen wrote:

On 06/29/2015 11:04 AM, jan i wrote:

Thanks, just wondering why do so many presentations come during the
last 48 hours.just to make the apacheCON team
nervous ?


Tradition.


...and to fully obey the tradition and deserve some hate from Jan and 
the ApacheCon team: when exactly is the deadline? I had assumed it was 
in about 36 hours from now (July 1st, evening Europe time) but reading 
current messages it seems to be in about 11 hours, right?


And sorry for being late, but indeed this is traditional!

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[jan i]

On 30 June 2015 at 13:00, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 29/06/2015 Rich Bowen wrote:

 On 06/29/2015 11:04 AM, jan i wrote:

 Thanks, just wondering why do so many presentations come during the
 last 48 hours.just to make the apacheCON team
 nervous ?


 Tradition.


 ...and to fully obey the tradition and deserve some hate from Jan and the
 ApacheCon team: when exactly is the deadline? I had assumed it was in about
 36 hours from now (July 1st, evening Europe time) but reading current
 messages it seems to be in about 11 hours, right?

It is a matter of interpretation not hate :-)

Official deadline is in just about 11 hours, but we are open minded so
talks coming within the next 35 hours will be considered.

Will you be submitting a AOO talk or more ?

rgds
jan i.



 And sorry for being late, but indeed this is traditional!

 Regards,
   Andrea.

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Pierre Smits]

Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the
LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past
registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of
'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their talk.
But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to
get a grasp of who does what.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:



 On 06/29/2015 11:04 AM, jan i wrote:

 Thanks, just wondering why do so many presentations come during the last
 48
 hours.just to make the apacheCON team
 nervous ?


 Tradition.

 --
 Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
 http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[jan i]

On 29 June 2015 at 17:37, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:



 On 06/29/2015 11:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

 Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the
 LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past
 registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of
 'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their
 talk.
 But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to
 get a grasp of who does what.


 Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated
 with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the papers
 will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, but it's
 reality.

 And this time, I was part of the problem. Sorry 'bout that.

actually you submitted early compared to many.

and yes, I know it is part of doing what I do, to keep my nerves in balance
:-) after all I have now seen it for a couple of AC.

rgds
jan i.





 --
 Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
 http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Rich Bowen]

On 06/29/2015 11:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the
LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past
registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of
'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their talk.
But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to
get a grasp of who does what.


Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated 
with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the 
papers will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, 
but it's reality.


And this time, I was part of the problem. Sorry 'bout that.

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:04 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

...just wondering why do so many presentations come during the last 48
 hours.just to make the apacheCON team nervous ?...

Good Ideas Need Time ;-)

-Bertrand

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:


 On 06/29/2015 11:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

 Maybe it has to do with how the event is marketed each time? We (and the
 LF) should have some statistics (graphs? Trend lines?) on past
 registrations. Or don't we measure such? For sure, when a kind of
 'pressure' is marketed, the interested parties seem to register their
 talk.
 But it might also be that potentials are looking at each other in order to
 get a grasp of who does what.


 Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated
 with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the papers
 will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, but it's
 reality.

Exactly! But it makes me curious: has anybody ever tried to gamify
successfully
against this sad trend?

Thanks,
Roman.

P.S. Totally a tangent -- I know ;-)

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Alex Harui]

On 6/29/15, 4:15 PM, shaposh...@gmail.com on behalf of Roman Shaposhnik
shaposh...@gmail.com on behalf of ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
Every event, on any topic, of any size, that I have ever been affiliated
 with, has had this same situation. No matter what you do, half the
papers
 will be submitted in the last week of the CFP. Nobody likes it, but it's
 reality.

Exactly! But it makes me curious: has anybody ever tried to gamify
successfully
against this sad trend?

It is human nature.  The word “procrastination” has the shortest
definition in most dictionaries because the editors only get around to it
at the last minute ;-)

-Alex

Re: Apachecon EU 2015

[jan i]

On 27 June 2015 at 23:09, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi Jan,
 
  Is it possible to do a remote session at the Apacheccon EU 2015 event in
  Budapest? What is the opinion of the LF organisors and the ASF
 coordination
  team regarding that matter?

 I don't think we've done it before, but it would be interesting
 to try if anybody is willing to handle all the logistics on both
 ends (presenter and ApacheCON).


I also do not think we have done it before. I have tried to arrange a
webcast a couple of times,
but lack of sponsorship have stopped this.

The logistic for a remote session is quite simple, the presenter brings a
notebook with e.g. skype
installed and all we need is a speaker system. Many people have a speaker
set for their notebook
which would be sufficient for a small room.

A total remote session would not be accepted, but a session where we have a
local presenter
who combines with a part remote, is doable.

Currently we only have loudspeakers and connections in the ballroom, which
means the talk
should attract a lot of people.

Let us hear a bit more about your idea.

rgds
jan i.


 Thanks,
 Roman.

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Maxim Solodovnik]

Hello Pierre,

I just have submitted the proposal for Conferencing with Apache
OpenMeetings presentation
I'll double-check it tomorrow and will upload slides

please let me know if anything else need to be done

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi all,

 As Jan (Iversen) pointed out the deadline for the CFP submission for
 Apachecon EU 2015 is approaching rapidly. If you're still interested in
 hosting a talk, please submit your talk now (if you haven't already done
 so) and inform me soonest.

 I will then be able - after the deadline has passed - to evaluate the
 submissions and build the track.

 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 A few months ago I contacted you about building a track for the upcoming
 ApacheCon EU 2015 event in Budapest on Oct 1st-2nd.

 The ideas back then (and so far) were:

- The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand
Delacrétaz)
- How a Code of Conduct Matters - (Joan Touzet)
- A case study (PoC) regarding community management with OFBiz
(Pierre Smits)
- Due process with Apache Steve (Daniel Gruno)
- Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings (Maxim Solodovnik)
- 
- 


 Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here:
 https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage).
 I hope you are still game to make this a great track about promoting the
 ASF, its viewpoints on Collaboration (Community over Code) and the products
 from its projects. But of course there are more Apache products that can
 support OS communities (and which could strengthen the track). If you
 happen to know someone who is willing do a presentation, please have
 him/her contacting me.

 If you are still game, please ensure that you have registered your talk
 before coming July 1st and inform me accordingly.

 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com





-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: Apachecon EU 2015

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Jan,

 Is it possible to do a remote session at the Apacheccon EU 2015 event in
 Budapest? What is the opinion of the LF organisors and the ASF coordination
 team regarding that matter?

I don't think we've done it before, but it would be interesting
to try if anybody is willing to handle all the logistics on both
ends (presenter and ApacheCON).

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Pierre Smits]

Hi all,

As Jan (Iversen) pointed out the deadline for the CFP submission for
Apachecon EU 2015 is approaching rapidly. If you're still interested in
hosting a talk, please submit your talk now (if you haven't already done
so) and inform me soonest.

I will then be able - after the deadline has passed - to evaluate the
submissions and build the track.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi all,

 A few months ago I contacted you about building a track for the upcoming
 ApacheCon EU 2015 event in Budapest on Oct 1st-2nd.

 The ideas back then (and so far) were:

- The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand
Delacrétaz)
- How a Code of Conduct Matters - (Joan Touzet)
- A case study (PoC) regarding community management with OFBiz (Pierre
Smits)
- Due process with Apache Steve (Daniel Gruno)
- Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings (Maxim Solodovnik)
- 
- 


 Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here:
 https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage).
 I hope you are still game to make this a great track about promoting the
 ASF, its viewpoints on Collaboration (Community over Code) and the products
 from its projects. But of course there are more Apache products that can
 support OS communities (and which could strengthen the track). If you
 happen to know someone who is willing do a presentation, please have
 him/her contacting me.

 If you are still game, please ensure that you have registered your talk
 before coming July 1st and inform me accordingly.

 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

Thanks for pushing this!

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand
 Delacrétaz)..

Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the
Apache Maturity Model.

 ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here:
 https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage).  ...

Ok, as for the track title maybe Community Over Code - In Practice
would be more catchy?

I'll submit my talk before July 1st.

-Bertrand

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[Pierre Smits]

Hi All, Bertrand,

Would the following not be a better (catchier) title for your talk:

The Apache Mature Model - save your project from failing

As for the track title I believe, that your suggestion is pushing it
towards a narrowing direction. Now it encompasses Community and Code. We
must not forget that there is a multitude of solutions available to ensure
that the day to day operations (on various levels) keep on going. By
inclusion of presentations about products of Apache projects we showcasing
that we are a one-stop shop when it comes to building and supporting an OS
community/project.

Nevertheless, I am open to suggestions and might adjust it till the latest
moment possible, if a good suggestion will make the event in general and
the track in particular more attractive to attend.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Maxim Solodovnik solomax...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'll submit a talk before Jul 1st, thanks again for inviting

 WBR, Maxim
 (from mobile, sorry for the typos)
 On Jun 12, 2015 12:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Thanks for pushing this!

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand
  Delacrétaz)..

 Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the
 Apache Maturity Model.

  ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here:
  https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage).  ...

 Ok, as for the track title maybe Community Over Code - In Practice
 would be more catchy?

 I'll submit my talk before July 1st.

 -Bertrand

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[jan i]

On 12 June 2015 at 11:12, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All, Jan,

 Hello ASFVisionApacheConCoreDiscussion, here are the politely constructed
 reactions of this contributor...

 (removing cc parties as it moves into the general discussion area).

 First of all:
 I am convinced that the future is bright and a full set of talks can be
 found to make the track I proposed a success.

OK, I just want to make sure that you dont make the track so broad that
it influences other tracks. I guess I would just like to see a bit more
which
talks you are thinking of.

In general the track idea was for projects, but a helping hand with the
other
tracks is indeed a good thing.


 For sure there are opportunities to combine and/or reorganise tracks. A
 producer should always reserve that right if it helps selling more tickets.
 At the moment I am inclined not to be against such an action.

As you say the producer has this right and as I have been writing several
times building a track is not a guarantee (but nearly).

Please remember in the end it is the presentations and not the tracks that
are important. The tracks is a convinient way to group talks, but not
something
that as such has its own life.

When we schedule, we will look heavely at the suggested tracks, but
talks might flow between tracks to get the puzzle finished.


 But before providing further thoughts on the matter: could you elaborate
 what the talks are that are already registered in your track?


First of all it is not my track, it is our eventI am just the one
appointed to help
coordinate this event.

Look at at the preceding AC and you will see a set of commnity talks, that
we of
course hope to repeat in Budapest.

examples are:
- state of the feather (keynote in budapest)
- the apache way
- how to make money with apache.
Last  time there was also talks about building communities.

And dont forget we also have a incubator track, that touches the same theme.

Please do not misunderstand me, anybody lending a helping hand is welcome,
I am just trying to make sure the big puzzle works, and in any case the
presentations
you come up with will be reviewed like other presentations.

on behalf of the apachecon team
jan i.



 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:28 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

  Hi.
 
  May I politely intervene here.
 
  Pierre@ I think it is super that you volunteer to make an extra track,
 but
  we do need to coordinate things.
 
  Your track is very close to the community track and do you really see 6
  talks on this theme ?
 
  community over code is not a good track name, since it will make the
  difference to the community
  track invisible.
 
  I see two solutions, you narrow your track to it does not conflict with
 the
  community track, or
  we integrate the 2 tracks, and you build that.
 
  Bertrand@ the maturity presentation is super, pierre beat me in asking
 for
  such a talk.
 
  rgds
  jan i.
 
  On 12 June 2015 at 09:26, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi All, Bertrand,
  
   Would the following not be a better (catchier) title for your talk:
  
   The Apache Mature Model - save your project from failing
  
   As for the track title I believe, that your suggestion is pushing it
   towards a narrowing direction. Now it encompasses Community and Code.
 We
   must not forget that there is a multitude of solutions available to
  ensure
   that the day to day operations (on various levels) keep on going. By
   inclusion of presentations about products of Apache projects we
  showcasing
   that we are a one-stop shop when it comes to building and supporting an
  OS
   community/project.
  
   Nevertheless, I am open to suggestions and might adjust it till the
  latest
   moment possible, if a good suggestion will make the event in general
 and
   the track in particular more attractive to attend.
  
   Best regards,
  
   Pierre Smits
  
   *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
   Services  Solutions for Cloud-
   Based Manufacturing, Professional
   Services and Retail  Trade
   http://www.orrtiz.com
  
   On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Maxim Solodovnik 
 solomax...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
I'll submit a talk before Jul 1st, thanks again for inviting
   
WBR, Maxim
(from mobile, sorry for the typos)
On Jun 12, 2015 12:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
  bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
   
Hi,
   
Thanks for pushing this!
   
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits 
  pierre.sm...@gmail.com
wrote:
 ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof
 (Bertrand
 Delacrétaz)..
   
Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the
Apache Maturity Model.
   
 ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here:
 

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[jan i]

Hi.

May I politely intervene here.

Pierre@ I think it is super that you volunteer to make an extra track, but
we do need to coordinate things.

Your track is very close to the community track and do you really see 6
talks on this theme ?

community over code is not a good track name, since it will make the
difference to the community
track invisible.

I see two solutions, you narrow your track to it does not conflict with the
community track, or
we integrate the 2 tracks, and you build that.

Bertrand@ the maturity presentation is super, pierre beat me in asking for
such a talk.

rgds
jan i.

On 12 June 2015 at 09:26, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All, Bertrand,

 Would the following not be a better (catchier) title for your talk:

 The Apache Mature Model - save your project from failing

 As for the track title I believe, that your suggestion is pushing it
 towards a narrowing direction. Now it encompasses Community and Code. We
 must not forget that there is a multitude of solutions available to ensure
 that the day to day operations (on various levels) keep on going. By
 inclusion of presentations about products of Apache projects we showcasing
 that we are a one-stop shop when it comes to building and supporting an OS
 community/project.

 Nevertheless, I am open to suggestions and might adjust it till the latest
 moment possible, if a good suggestion will make the event in general and
 the track in particular more attractive to attend.

 Best regards,

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Maxim Solodovnik solomax...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I'll submit a talk before Jul 1st, thanks again for inviting
 
  WBR, Maxim
  (from mobile, sorry for the typos)
  On Jun 12, 2015 12:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Thanks for pushing this!
 
  On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   ...The Apache Maturity Model - or a generalisation thereof (Bertrand
   Delacrétaz)..
 
  Works for me, the title will be Save your failing project with the
  Apache Maturity Model.
 
   ...Today I have registered the track at the ApacheCon wiki (here:
   https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage).  ...
 
  Ok, as for the track title maybe Community Over Code - In Practice
  would be more catchy?
 
  I'll submit my talk before July 1st.
 
  -Bertrand
 
 

Re: ApacheCon EU 2015 and track registration

[jan i]

On 12 June 2015 at 11:41, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:45 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
  ...Would you consider making 2 tracks
  - a overview of the maturity model, why it is needed and e.g. other ways
 of
  measuring
  - an in depth, with a walk through of applying the model on a project,
 and
  some overview of where are projects are...

 I guess you mean 2 talks - I'm not sure if the in depth part is that
 interesting, my idea was more to explain the reasoning behind the
 model, why it is also useful outside of Apache (in your company, in
 your project on github etc) and give a few examples of how we
 implement it in our projects. So more a high-level overview, trying to
 help people understand and motivate them to use the model.

Sounds like a good talk to me, and if there are people (which I know there
are)
who have specific questions on how to use the model, I am sure you will
be a willing teacher.




 I'm planning to submit several talks anyway, so two on this topic
 might be too much, IMO.

You might be right. Apart from that I find the theme very interesting
I also try to get people to submit talks.

Btw. using the model on AOO, gives a to me unexpected result, that
somehow looks different than what I experience.

rgds
jan i.


 -Bertrand

Re: ApacheCon EU city proposals

[Angela Brown]

Thank you for the forward Ross.

Ignasi, I appreciate your reaching out. Once we start planning for next
year, I'll certainly circle back with you on this. Barcelona is a great
city to hold an event in, I agree!

Thanks,

Angela

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

   Adding Angela Brown.

 Thanks for the lead on Barcelona as a possible ApacheCon host. Angela
 handles ApacheCon for us in her role at the Linux Foundation.

 Sent from my Windows Phone
  --
 From: Ignasi Barrera n...@apache.org
 Sent: ‎9/‎22/‎2014 2:37 AM
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Subject: ApacheCon EU city proposals

   Hi!

 First of all, let me say I'm quite new to ApacheCon and there are many
 things about its organization that I ignore. I'll be talking at this
 next ApacheCon EU though, so I hope I'll get more familiar with it
 soon :)


 I'm writing because I've been recently approached by the Association
 Meetings  Research Department of my city, Barcelona, and they would
 be interested in hosting an ApacheCon EU in the future, on 2016 or
 2018. Barcelona is a city with experience hosting events (there's
 recently been the MWC and VMWrold), and they would like to host an
 open source based event like the ApacheCon.

 They're willing to help in everything related to the organization, and
 can provide resources, any required materials, coordination with the
 authorities and/or companies, provide infrastructure, etc.

 I don't know how candidate cities are proposed or if there is a formal
 procedure, so I'm just writing to see if this is well received and
 something you would want to consider, and, in that case, how should we
 proceed or where do we start to make that happen.



 Thanks,

 Ignasi




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RE: ApacheCon EU city proposals

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

Adding Angela Brown.

Thanks for the lead on Barcelona as a possible ApacheCon host. Angela handles 
ApacheCon for us in her role at the Linux Foundation.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Ignasi Barreramailto:n...@apache.org
Sent: ‎9/‎22/‎2014 2:37 AM
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.orgmailto:apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Subject: ApacheCon EU city proposals

Hi!

First of all, let me say I'm quite new to ApacheCon and there are many
things about its organization that I ignore. I'll be talking at this
next ApacheCon EU though, so I hope I'll get more familiar with it
soon :)


I'm writing because I've been recently approached by the Association
Meetings  Research Department of my city, Barcelona, and they would
be interested in hosting an ApacheCon EU in the future, on 2016 or
2018. Barcelona is a city with experience hosting events (there's
recently been the MWC and VMWrold), and they would like to host an
open source based event like the ApacheCon.

They're willing to help in everything related to the organization, and
can provide resources, any required materials, coordination with the
authorities and/or companies, provide infrastructure, etc.

I don't know how candidate cities are proposed or if there is a formal
procedure, so I'm just writing to see if this is well received and
something you would want to consider, and, in that case, how should we
proceed or where do we start to make that happen.



Thanks,

Ignasi

Re: ApacheCon EU 2013 ?

[Nick Burch]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Serge Huber wrote:
I'd like to know if there is already something known or discussed about 
an ApacheCon in Europe in 2013 ? My company would be very interested in 
such an event.


Things have been discussed, for a public summary see:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201303.mbox/ajax/%3Calpine.DEB.2.00.1303041838140.6735%40urchin.earth.li%3E

Are you interested in speaking, or helping produce it?

Nick

Re: ApacheCon EU 2013 ?

[Serge Huber]

Hello Nick, 

Thanks for the quick reply, I had already checked the archives to see if there 
was some details on the time frame since it might clash with other events at 
the end of the year. I'm mostly interested in speaking, and possibly sponsoring.

Best regards,
  Serge Huber.

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Switzerland

Jahia’s next-generation, open source CMS stems from a widely acknowledged 
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unified by the simplicity of web content management.

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On 18 mars 2013, at 11:30, Nick Burch n...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Serge Huber wrote:
 I'd like to know if there is already something known or discussed about an 
 ApacheCon in Europe in 2013 ? My company would be very interested in such an 
 event.
 
 Things have been discussed, for a public summary see:
 http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201303.mbox/ajax/%3Calpine.DEB.2.00.1303041838140.6735%40urchin.earth.li%3E
 
 Are you interested in speaking, or helping produce it?
 
 Nick

Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and speaker speech)

[Olivier Heintz]

is it possible to help ?

Le 23/11/2012 09:39, patrick.ga...@infoserve.endress.com a écrit :
 Are there any news about the availablility of the rest of the slides?

 -- Patrick



 From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
 To:   apachecon-discuss@apache.org apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Date: 18.11.2012 16:29
 Subject:  Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and
 speaker speech)



 Yes I am working on them now


 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update!
 While I saw the OpenOffice presentations for Wednesday  Thursday are
 still
 missing. Will them be uploaded later?

 - Simon


 2012/11/13 Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com

 Hi...

You can be up-to-date following [1]

 [1] http://archive.apachecon.com/eu2012/presentations/


 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din 
 nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

   The slides will be available by the end of today, and there is also
 a
 plan to make it available through Lanyrd [1]. Will send the current
 location when done with the rest of the slides

 [1] http://lanyrd.com/


 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
 grobme...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I think the plan is to make speeches available as record and as
 video
 where applicable.
 Not sure on the slides.

 But here is an unofficial site which has collected many of them:
 http://www.nandana.org/2012/11/apachecon-europe-2012-sinsheim.html

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Olivier Heintz
 olivier.hei...@nereide.fr wrote:
 Before the question in the title,

 Thank you very much for ApacheCon-EU organization, all was nice
 and
 efficient.

 For each talk, a file with presentation were asked and all speaker
 speech were recorded. Thank you again.

 Is there a plan to have a web page with links to download it or to
 look
 it ?
 Olivier



 --
 http://www.grobmeier.de
 https://www.timeandbill.de



 --
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
 - Albert Einstein



 --
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
 - Albert Einstein



 --
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
 - Albert Einstein

Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and speaker speech)

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

Hi Oliver...


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Olivier Heintz
olivier.hei...@nereide.frwrote:

 is it possible to help ?


Sure you can, one thing to do is to double check the missing slides so far,
see my other e-mail about contacting the speakers, I am already keeping a
list of missing slides but another eye sure can help

In my other e-mail I mentioned speakers are replying back and I will upload
their slides either today or tomorrow depends how much time I have



 Le 23/11/2012 09:39, patrick.ga...@infoserve.endress.com a écrit :
  Are there any news about the availablility of the rest of the slides?
 
  -- Patrick
 
 
 
  From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
  To:   apachecon-discuss@apache.org apachecon-discuss@apache.org
  Date: 18.11.2012 16:29
  Subject:  Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides
 and
  speaker speech)
 
 
 
  Yes I am working on them now
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Thanks for the update!
  While I saw the OpenOffice presentations for Wednesday  Thursday are
  still
  missing. Will them be uploaded later?
 
  - Simon
 
 
  2012/11/13 Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
 
  Hi...
 
 You can be up-to-date following [1]
 
  [1] http://archive.apachecon.com/eu2012/presentations/
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din 
  nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi
 
The slides will be available by the end of today, and there is also
  a
  plan to make it available through Lanyrd [1]. Will send the current
  location when done with the rest of the slides
 
  [1] http://lanyrd.com/
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
  grobme...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I think the plan is to make speeches available as record and as
  video
  where applicable.
  Not sure on the slides.
 
  But here is an unofficial site which has collected many of them:
  http://www.nandana.org/2012/11/apachecon-europe-2012-sinsheim.html
 
  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Olivier Heintz
  olivier.hei...@nereide.fr wrote:
  Before the question in the title,
 
  Thank you very much for ApacheCon-EU organization, all was nice
  and
  efficient.
 
  For each talk, a file with presentation were asked and all speaker
  speech were recorded. Thank you again.
 
  Is there a plan to have a web page with links to download it or to
  look
  it ?
  Olivier
 
 
 
  --
  http://www.grobmeier.de
  https://www.timeandbill.de
 
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
  moving
  - Albert Einstein
 
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
  moving
  - Albert Einstein
 
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
  - Albert Einstein




-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and speaker speech)

[patrick . galli]

Are there any news about the availablility of the rest of the slides?

-- Patrick



From:   Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Date:   18.11.2012 16:29
Subject:Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and
speaker speech)



Yes I am working on them now


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update!
 While I saw the OpenOffice presentations for Wednesday  Thursday are
still
 missing. Will them be uploaded later?

 - Simon


 2012/11/13 Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com

  Hi...
 
 You can be up-to-date following [1]
 
  [1] http://archive.apachecon.com/eu2012/presentations/
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din 
  nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi
  
 The slides will be available by the end of today, and there is also
a
   plan to make it available through Lanyrd [1]. Will send the current
   location when done with the rest of the slides
  
   [1] http://lanyrd.com/
  
  
   On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
  grobme...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
   I think the plan is to make speeches available as record and as
video
   where applicable.
   Not sure on the slides.
  
   But here is an unofficial site which has collected many of them:
   http://www.nandana.org/2012/11/apachecon-europe-2012-sinsheim.html
  
   On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Olivier Heintz
   olivier.hei...@nereide.fr wrote:
Before the question in the title,
   
Thank you very much for ApacheCon-EU organization, all was nice
and
efficient.
   
For each talk, a file with presentation were asked and all speaker
speech were recorded. Thank you again.
   
Is there a plan to have a web page with links to download it or to
  look
   it ?
   
Olivier
   
  
  
  
   --
   http://www.grobmeier.de
   https://www.timeandbill.de
  
  
  
  
   --
   Thanks
   - Mohammad Nour
   
   Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
  moving
   - Albert Einstein
  
  
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
  - Albert Einstein
 




--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein



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Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and speaker speech)

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

Yes I am working on them now


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update!
 While I saw the OpenOffice presentations for Wednesday  Thursday are still
 missing. Will them be uploaded later?

 - Simon


 2012/11/13 Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com

  Hi...
 
 You can be up-to-date following [1]
 
  [1] http://archive.apachecon.com/eu2012/presentations/
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din 
  nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi
  
 The slides will be available by the end of today, and there is also a
   plan to make it available through Lanyrd [1]. Will send the current
   location when done with the rest of the slides
  
   [1] http://lanyrd.com/
  
  
   On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
  grobme...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
   I think the plan is to make speeches available as record and as video
   where applicable.
   Not sure on the slides.
  
   But here is an unofficial site which has collected many of them:
   http://www.nandana.org/2012/11/apachecon-europe-2012-sinsheim.html
  
   On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Olivier Heintz
   olivier.hei...@nereide.fr wrote:
Before the question in the title,
   
Thank you very much for ApacheCon-EU organization, all was nice and
efficient.
   
For each talk, a file with presentation were asked and all speaker
speech were recorded. Thank you again.
   
Is there a plan to have a web page with links to download it or to
  look
   it ?
   
Olivier
   
  
  
  
   --
   http://www.grobmeier.de
   https://www.timeandbill.de
  
  
  
  
   --
   Thanks
   - Mohammad Nour
   
   Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
  moving
   - Albert Einstein
  
  
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
  - Albert Einstein
 




-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and speaker speech)

[Shenfeng Liu]

Thanks for the update!
While I saw the OpenOffice presentations for Wednesday  Thursday are still
missing. Will them be uploaded later?

- Simon


2012/11/13 Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com

 Hi...

You can be up-to-date following [1]

 [1] http://archive.apachecon.com/eu2012/presentations/


 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din 
 nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi
 
The slides will be available by the end of today, and there is also a
  plan to make it available through Lanyrd [1]. Will send the current
  location when done with the rest of the slides
 
  [1] http://lanyrd.com/
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
 grobme...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 
  I think the plan is to make speeches available as record and as video
  where applicable.
  Not sure on the slides.
 
  But here is an unofficial site which has collected many of them:
  http://www.nandana.org/2012/11/apachecon-europe-2012-sinsheim.html
 
  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Olivier Heintz
  olivier.hei...@nereide.fr wrote:
   Before the question in the title,
  
   Thank you very much for ApacheCon-EU organization, all was nice and
   efficient.
  
   For each talk, a file with presentation were asked and all speaker
   speech were recorded. Thank you again.
  
   Is there a plan to have a web page with links to download it or to
 look
  it ?
  
   Olivier
  
 
 
 
  --
  http://www.grobmeier.de
  https://www.timeandbill.de
 
 
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
  - Albert Einstein
 
 


 --
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
 - Albert Einstein

Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and speaker speech)

[Christian Grobmeier]

I think the plan is to make speeches available as record and as video
where applicable.
Not sure on the slides.

But here is an unofficial site which has collected many of them:
http://www.nandana.org/2012/11/apachecon-europe-2012-sinsheim.html

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Olivier Heintz
olivier.hei...@nereide.fr wrote:
 Before the question in the title,

 Thank you very much for ApacheCon-EU organization, all was nice and
 efficient.

 For each talk, a file with presentation were asked and all speaker
 speech were recorded. Thank you again.

 Is there a plan to have a web page with links to download it or to look it ?

 Olivier




-- 
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de

Re: ApacheCon-EU : where are link to presentations (slides and speaker speech)

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

Hi

  The slides will be available by the end of today, and there is also a
plan to make it available through Lanyrd [1]. Will send the current
location when done with the rest of the slides

[1] http://lanyrd.com/


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think the plan is to make speeches available as record and as video
 where applicable.
 Not sure on the slides.

 But here is an unofficial site which has collected many of them:
 http://www.nandana.org/2012/11/apachecon-europe-2012-sinsheim.html

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Olivier Heintz
 olivier.hei...@nereide.fr wrote:
  Before the question in the title,
 
  Thank you very much for ApacheCon-EU organization, all was nice and
  efficient.
 
  For each talk, a file with presentation were asked and all speaker
  speech were recorded. Thank you again.
 
  Is there a plan to have a web page with links to download it or to look
 it ?
 
  Olivier
 



 --
 http://www.grobmeier.de
 https://www.timeandbill.de




-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Nick Burch]

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012, Justin Mclean wrote:
Has anything been resolved/decided in regards speakers and what is/isn't 
covered? My talk just been accepted but I'm not clear of if I need to 
organise a conference ticket or accommodation.


All speakers will be emailed in a week or two with details of how to 
register (including details of the option very very heavily discounted 
ticket), and what to do about hotels. For now, you just need to reply to 
your notification email saying you want to speak. We'll email all the 
speakers with more details, once we have all the replies in!


Nick

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

 All speakers will be emailed in a week or two with details of how to register
Thanks for clearing that up.

It does however put me (and I assume a few other speakers) in a position of 
were I'm unsure of what the full cost will be. It would help to know the full 
costs (ticket and accommodation) before I have to book my flight, the longer I 
leave that the more expensive it's likely to be. 

My TAC application was unsuccessful and as I'm self employed so the cost of 
attending the conference cost is an important consideration.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Steve Holden]

Of course it's no longer obvious, out of context, that you and I are discussing 
the ApacheCon NA costs and prices.

I don't ever remember sharing that information with anyone in the ASF - though 
the contract makes certain stipulations about post-conference disclosure, which 
we naturally intend to comply with.

regards
 Steve

On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote:

 A quick search of my email is failing to turn up the planned
 costs/budget sheet.

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Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Rich Bowen]

On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote:
 
 * Free tickets for all speakers?
 
 +1. Honestly, I think not providing free conference tickets for all speakers 
 is a little weak. This should not include any training sessions of course.
 
 
 I'm a little reluctant, as a long-time organizer of this conference, to even 
 answer this question. Asking the speakers' opinion on financial arrangements, 
 at this late date, seems like a bikeshed waiting to happen.
 
 I will say, however, that I have never, in all my years of speaking, had to 
 pay admission to a conference at which I was speaking.


Please forgive me for responding to email from so long ago as though it was 
sent today. I was confused. Please ignore.

-- 
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rbo...@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbo...@apache.org

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Steve Holden]

On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote:
 
 * Free tickets for all speakers?
 
 +1. Honestly, I think not providing free conference tickets for all speakers 
 is a little weak. This should not include any training sessions of course.
 
 
 I'm a little reluctant, as a long-time organizer of this conference, to even 
 answer this question. Asking the speakers' opinion on financial arrangements, 
 at this late date, seems like a bikeshed waiting to happen.
 
 I will say, however, that I have never, in all my years of speaking, had to 
 pay admission to a conference at which I was speaking.


So you have never spoken at OSCON, DjangoCon, or PyCon, to name but three?

S
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Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Rich Bowen]

On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Steve Holden wrote:

 So you have never spoken at OSCON, DjangoCon, or PyCon, to name but three?

OSCon has always covered my admission when I've spoken. I have indeed not 
spoken at those other two conferences. But I don't wish to rehash a 
conversation that's already completed. I'm sorry I brought it up again. My mail 
client confused me, and I didn't check dates.

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rbo...@rcbowen.com
Shosholoza

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Has anything been resolved/decided in regards speakers and what is/isn't 
covered? My talk just been accepted but I'm not clear of if I need to organise 
a conference ticket or accommodation.

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere and I've missed it.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Steve Holden]

On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Leif Hedstrom zw...@apache.org wrote:
 On 7/30/12 11:26 AM, Nick Burch wrote:
 
 * Free tickets for all speakers?
 
 
 +1. Honestly, I think not providing free conference tickets for all speakers
 is a little weak. This should not include any training sessions of course.
 
 
 +1, I think it would be very poor show not to provide a free ticket to
 speakers. I understand this is the PyCon model, and didn't just come
 out of nowhere, but I don't support a conference that asks its
 speakers to pay, and I think we need more discussion before we make an
 executive decision that changes our long-established model this
 drastically.

A further data point, now I have had time to revisit our budget for ApacheCon 
NA.

The current budget assumes that there will be five tracks with 24 talks each 
over three days. We plan to subsidize each talk by offering the speaker a $250 
honorarium and one free night's accommodation (to a maximum of three talks).

I just wanted to be clear that no free tickets for speakers does not equate 
to no support for speakers. I personally believe that declining attendance 
(which ASF members have expressed some concern about) might be associated with 
the price, so this year's proposed downward price movement will to some extent 
test that theory. If everyone feels like you I suppose I could lose a lot of 
money ...

regards
 Steve 
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Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

 We plan to subsidize each talk by offering the speaker a $250 honorarium
Seem to recall (but could be wrong) that there can be issues with oversea 
speakers and honorariums. If a speaker is paid then a business US visa may be 
required?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

 Presumably you regard increasing the cost of the tickets for non-speakers as 
 an acceptable result of this policy?

Currently I'm not even sure what (if anything) is covered for speakers.

I've not been involved in the planning of the conference budget so not really 
qualified to say. I would hope that the existing price structure meant that 
speaker tickets were covered. As the prices have already been announces I can't 
see it would be fair to change them.

In my experience most conferences cover a free ticket (and usually 
accommodation). I do know a few conferences that don't do this their ticket 
prices usually reflect that. ApacheCon is a little different in that attendees 
(and potential speakers) can apply for assistance from the TAC.

My question was more so I organise a few things (eg flights from Sydney 
Australia - they tend to get more expensive the longer you wait.)

Thanks,
Justin

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Steve Holden]

On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote:

 It's your job, IMO, to tell us when talking-time is up, and to decide
 what the right thing to do is even if a handful of us disagree with
 you :-) But I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it and work
 together to try and find an optimal, not merely a reasonable,
 solution!
 
Well the site will be published some time this week, but without prices 
initially.

Even after prices are published there is plenty of time to decide speaker 
discounts.

The point of The Open Bastion's business is to forge new ways of working 
profitably with open source communities to our common benefit. So I try to 
regards us as partners with our clients rather than just as a supplier, and 
even (to some extent) expect to become a part of the communities we serve.

So it wouldn't be very productive to issue arbitrary fiats. You might find I 
have a marked preference for solutions that don't exceed the current planned 
costs for speaker support ...

regards
 Steve
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Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Nóirín Plunkett]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
 On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote:

 It's your job, IMO, to tell us when talking-time is up, and to decide
 what the right thing to do is even if a handful of us disagree with
 you :-) But I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it and work
 together to try and find an optimal, not merely a reasonable,
 solution!

 Well the site will be published some time this week, but without prices 
 initially.


Excellent! Looking forward to it :-)

 The point of The Open Bastion's business is to forge new ways of working 
 profitably with open source communities to our common benefit. So I try to 
 regards us as partners with our clients rather than just as a supplier, and 
 even (to some extent) expect to become a part of the communities we serve.

 So it wouldn't be very productive to issue arbitrary fiats. You might find I 
 have a marked preference for solutions that don't exceed the current planned 
 costs for speaker support ...


At some point, someone has to make a decision :-) But I think we're
agreed on a distaste for arbitrary fiats, and a preference for
reasonable budgeting.

A quick search of my email is failing to turn up the planned
costs/budget sheet. Would you mind re-sharing, or giving me a pointer?
Sorry!

Thanks!

Noirin

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Marcel Offermans]

I don't get it. July 31st Nick asked us if he should concentrate on either 
paying a couple of hundred euros towards the ticked and getting accommodation 
or getting the ticket for free and having to pay for accomodation yourself. 
Subsequent responses all indicated a preference towards the latter, so I'm 
surprised to see this going in the opposite direction.

Also, I would not be surprised if we will have to do another round of accepting 
talks if it turns out that speakers to have to pay to give their own talk.

Greetings, Marcel


On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:55 AM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:

 On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote:
 
 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Leif Hedstrom zw...@apache.org wrote:
 On 7/30/12 11:26 AM, Nick Burch wrote:
 
 * Free tickets for all speakers?
 
 
 +1. Honestly, I think not providing free conference tickets for all speakers
 is a little weak. This should not include any training sessions of course.
 
 
 +1, I think it would be very poor show not to provide a free ticket to
 speakers. I understand this is the PyCon model, and didn't just come
 out of nowhere, but I don't support a conference that asks its
 speakers to pay, and I think we need more discussion before we make an
 executive decision that changes our long-established model this
 drastically.
 
 A further data point, now I have had time to revisit our budget for ApacheCon 
 NA.
 
 The current budget assumes that there will be five tracks with 24 talks each 
 over three days. We plan to subsidize each talk by offering the speaker a 
 $250 honorarium and one free night's accommodation (to a maximum of three 
 talks).
 
 I just wanted to be clear that no free tickets for speakers does not equate 
 to no support for speakers. I personally believe that declining attendance 
 (which ASF members have expressed some concern about) might be associated 
 with the price, so this year's proposed downward price movement will to some 
 extent test that theory. If everyone feels like you I suppose I could lose a 
 lot of money ...
 
 regards
 Steve 
 --
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 Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
 Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
 Next:   DjangoCon US Sep 6-8, Washington DC http://djangocon.us/
 
 
 

Re: ApacheCon EU Schedule Grid -- DRAFT 1 for review, and discussion

[Steve Holden]

On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:34 PM, jean-frederic clere wrote:

 On 08/22/2012 10:01 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:
 OK, this is my 3rd attempt to share this document. My previous efforts
 may have been blocked by spam filters...
 
 Looks OK but I think that finishing at 18h45 is a bit late, no?
 
 Cheers
 
 Jean-Frederic


Yes. A full day is all very well, but a conference shouldn't feel *too* like 
work.

regards
 Steve
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Re: ApacheCon EU Proposal Feedback

[Ted Yu]

This should work:
http://www.apachecon.eu/reviews/review/184/#proposal-feedback

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote:

 Dear ApacheCon EU Team,

 I'm getting good feedback on my proposals, but when I click on the link in
 the notification emails [1][2] I don't see the comments, or have any way to
 respond to them.

 Is there anything obvious I am missing or a better place to ask about this?

 Cheers
 Jan
 --
 Please CC me on replies, as I am not on apachecon-discuss@
 [1]: http://www.apachecon.eu/proposals/184/#proposal-feedback
 [2]: http://www.apachecon.eu/proposals/185/#proposal-feedback

Re: ApacheCon EU Proposal Feedback

[Steve Holden]

There are reviews, which are for reviewers, and Speaker feedback which is 
what you are talking about. You won't see the reviews of your talks but you 
should see the speaker feedback.

The links you ACTUALLY need are like

  http://www.apachecon.eu/reviews/review/85/#proposal-detail

I'll ask the Eldarion team to correct the links in those emails.

Byt he way, I don't see any speaker feedback against wither talk ...

regards
 Steve

On Aug 14, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote:

 Dear ApacheCon EU Team,
 
 I'm getting good feedback on my proposals, but when I click on the link in 
 the notification emails [1][2] I don't see the comments, or have any way to 
 respond to them.
 
 Is there anything obvious I am missing or a better place to ask about this?
 
 Cheers
 Jan
 -- 
 Please CC me on replies, as I am not on apachecon-discuss@
 [1]: http://www.apachecon.eu/proposals/184/#proposal-feedback
 [2]: http://www.apachecon.eu/proposals/185/#proposal-feedback

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Re: ApacheCon EU 2012 and Apache OFBiz

[Pierre Smits]

Hi Nick, Steve,

Yesterday the strategic ApacheCon EU 2012 OFBiz confcall was held, and
according to intentions/commitments we can expect to do 5 sessions on
OFBiz. These sessions will be about explaining the technologies behind the
product (1), about how to handle and integrate custom add-ons (1), about
shop within shop solutions and eCommerce for larger enterprises (2) and on
project and time management with OFBiz (1). This will give us a nice spread
regarding some of the possibilities with OFBiz.

At the moment only 1 paper (on the pm and tm session) has been submitted,
but over the coming days till the end of CfP the rest of the papers are
expected to be submitted. I have stressed this to the other participants.

We expect that attendance is going te be less than 100 per session, but who
knows for sure So we could do with one of the smaller rooms. One
session participant said that he was expecting some clients to attend.
That's good news.

Regards,

Pierre

Re: ApacheCon EU 2012 and Apache OFBiz

[Nick Burch]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote:
At the moment only 1 paper (on the pm and tm session) has been 
submitted, but over the coming days till the end of CfP the rest of the 
papers are expected to be submitted. I have stressed this to the other 
participants.


We'll need enough good sessions to fill the track, including an option for 
what to do if someone drops out. (That backup could either be another 
talk, or a pre-agreed stand-in speaker for an existing talk)



We expect that attendance is going te be less than 100 per session, but who
knows for sure So we could do with one of the smaller rooms. One
session participant said that he was expecting some clients to attend.
That's good news.


One thing we're going to be asking all track chairs for soon, which you 
could maybe get started on, is more information on the track for potential 
attendees. The current info on the tracks page is a good start, but needs 
expanding, as on the whole the current level of detail is only suitable 
for people already involved in the projects.


The lucene track have volunteered to produce the expanded descriptions 
first (they have some marketing volunteers to help), and we'll then use 
that to help guide the other tracks on what's needed. In the mean time, if 
you want to expand your track description, to help explain to people why 
they should come, that'd be a great start!


Thanks
Nick

Re: ApacheCon EU 2012 and Apache OFBiz

[Steve Holden]

Very good news indeed!

S

On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

 One
 session participant said that he was expecting some clients to attend.
 That's good news.

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Re: ApacheCon EU 2012 and Apache OFBiz

[Pierre Smits]

My username is the same as my email address : pierre.sm...@gmail.com

2012/7/31 Nick Burch n...@apache.org

 On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote:

 We had a discussion about track title and description as well last night.
 And we agreed that it could do with an improvement. We are working on that.
 But how to get the changes in? Through the google doc again?


 If you let us know your username for the apachecon.eu site, then someone
 can grant you edit karma. As the track chair, you can then go in and update
 it yourself :)

 Nick

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Donald Harbison]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Nick Burch n...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Mark Struberg wrote:

 Folks, I know no single conference where the speakers have to pay for the
 conference itself. That's just ridiculous.


 There are quite a few out there. It's starting to look like some people
 are finding the idea normal, others are shocked, depending on what other
 conferences you've spoken at recently...


  The ride and hotel could be handled via the travel-help as we don't have
 the budget of other big conferences - but tickets must be included.


 change-of-hat
 TAC won't just carte-blanche hand out plane tickets to all speakers,
 sorry. Typical TAC recipients are students, people out of work, people just
 starting out in work, people who work in very low paid sectors etc.
 There is a strict judging process, and giving lots of preference to
 speakers, above and beyond others, risks problems with our charitable
 status. Some speakers will get help, certainly, and many have been helped
 out in the past, but by no means can TAC fund them all
 /change-of-hat

 Unless someone is able to find a hefty chunk of sponsorship down the back
 of their company sofa, the budget as it currently stands doesn't let us
 both comp speakers, and offer them free hotel accomodation.

 So, we come back to the earlier question once more. For those people who
 won't be fully funded by their company no matter what, which is more
 important to you being able to come?
 * Would it be better for you two pay a couple of hundred euros towards
   your ticket (say, something like half price), and get accomodation?
 * Or would it be better if your ticket was completely free, but you
   have to arrange and pay for your own accomodation?


+1 Ticket free/pay for accomodation. Risky to mix the two, IMHO.



 We've had a few people already vote for the latter, but is that the case
 for everyone? Which is the one we should be concentrating on trying to make
 happen?

 Thanks
 Nick

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Nóirín Plunkett]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Leif Hedstrom zw...@apache.org wrote:
 On 7/30/12 11:26 AM, Nick Burch wrote:

 * Free tickets for all speakers?


 +1. Honestly, I think not providing free conference tickets for all speakers
 is a little weak. This should not include any training sessions of course.


+1, I think it would be very poor show not to provide a free ticket to
speakers. I understand this is the PyCon model, and didn't just come
out of nowhere, but I don't support a conference that asks its
speakers to pay, and I think we need more discussion before we make an
executive decision that changes our long-established model this
drastically.

N

Re: ApacheCon EU sponsorship

[Ross Gardler]

I don't know where this track sponsorship idea has come from either.
Certainly there is no discussion and no visible ownership of this plan
(unless I've missed it). Historically track sponsorship has been a bad
thing. Attendees don't like it (concerns over unbalanced content), PMCs
don't like it (non-sponsoring companies are pushed out) and sponsors get
upset that their tracks were not as well attended as others. It also seems
like this would be really quite hard to manage from a sponsor negotiations
perspective (but since I won't be doing it I guess that's not my concern)..

I note in your calculations you assume 600 max capacity, but everything I
have seen indicates 450 is the more realistic target. Even that
seems unattainable since local hotel accommodation is limited to 200-250
(even if we booked up every room today).

All in all I don't want to stand in the way of anything and my concerns
should be taken as honest appraisal of what is being suggested not outright
objections. Nevertheless, I have to raise these concerns to ensure they
have been addressed in whatever conversations led to this plan.

Ross

On 28 July 2012 00:25, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:

 I promised I would post something before the end of the (West coast US)
 week about sponsorship for ApacheCons EU and NA, so here it is.
 Unfortunately it isn't the draft I'd anticipated due to a report after the
 EU site survey that the basis of sponsorship was changing.

 I don't know where this new direction has come from, but I gather the
 proposal now is that we have €1,500 partial track sponsorships (potentially
 many per track), €6,000 exclusive track sponsorships (with no explanation
 as to how conflict between exclusives and partials are resolved) and €8,000
 events.

 If there's a real possibility of getting events sponsored then it would
 relieve the conference budget of a major burden, so it seems sensible to
 add them, but the track sponsorships may not fly as they are. The reason
 for this is that the different tracks are of different lengths and with
 different average attendances, so charging the same to sponsor a 100-person
 1-day track as a 200-person 2-day seems illogical.

 To remove that stigma (or at least to minimize the perceived iniquities it
 imposes) I would therefore propose that we offer sponsorships as follows:

 1. Conference sponsorship: €1,500

Exposure throughout the public spaces, and signage outside sessions.

 2. Track sponsorship: €500

Exposure inside the session rooms for a particular audience.

An organization can increase its exposure by sponsoring multiple
tracks. It is permitted to sponsor all tracks.

Small companies with specialist audiences can sponsor a track without
taking out a wasteful conference sponsorship, meaning a targeted
 audience
at an economically efficient cost.

Big track, small track, no difference.

 3. Event sponsorship: €4,000 and up

Allows a sponsor to promote awareness through social events, which
will by default be receptions, but if we can find a volunteer with flair
they might be much more.

 I'd like some feedback. Remember, if you aren't from the commercial world,
 the need to present things *simply*. The ASF knows a large number of
 well-disposed organizations with adequate budget for sponsorship, but being
 able to communicate how the scheme works in an elevator pitch is
 important. Make it simple to understand, make it simple to order, and be
 friendly and helpful in dealing with sponsors. Oh, and make them
 comfortable at the event!

 One further point:

 In investigating the relative sponsorship weights of the tracks I made
 the following calculations:

 Sponsorship Weighting   People  DaysPerson-Days
 ApachEE 11% 200 1   200
 Modular Java Applications   6%  100 1   100
 Open Office (1) 11% 100 2   200
 Open Office (2) 11% 100 2   200
 Web infrastructure  17% 100 3   300
 Camel in Action, Common problems, solutions and best practices  6%
  100 1   100
 Cloud   11% 100 2   200
 Linked Data 1%  25  1   25
 Big Data22% 200 2   400
 Encore! The best bits, revisited3%  100 0.5 50
 Apache Daily0%  0
 NoSQL Database (1)  0%  100 0
 NoSQL Database (2)  0%  100 0
 Lucene, SOLR and Friends (1)11% 100 2   200
 Lucene, SOLR and Friends (2)11% 100 2   200
 OFBiz - The not so obvious Apache project   0%  100
   0
 600 * 3 days18002175

 I believe that in round terms we have space for 600 people that can be
 split into modules of 100-, 200- or 300-delegate chunks. Even assuming that
 room reconfiguration offered no logistical 

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Nick Burch]

On 27/07/12 13:04, Tim Williams wrote:

What are the speaker subsidies for ApacheCon EU?  I assume the show
ticket is covered.  Any hotel or travel?


Bad news I'm afraid, things won't be quite so generous in Sinsheim as 
they were in Vancouver. (Things in Portland won't be the same as 
Vancouver either, again there will be some speaker support, but not the 
same)


For speakers who are likely to need help with Travel, then their first 
port of call should be TAC. People accepted by TAC will get their hotel, 
travel and conference fee covered, and should be covered for meals too 
(at the hotel and at the venue). I would tell people to go and apply 
now, but it's not ready. The latest from Gav is later today...



Within the budget, we do have some scope to help out speakers, but sadly 
not enough to cover both hotel nights and a free conference pass. 
Currently, we've got speakers down for discounted, but not quite free 
tickets.


We may be able to extend that a bit further, depending on how the final 
costs end up coming in at for a few things we're still waiting on. If we 
do have some budget spare, what would people rather:

* Free tickets for all speakers?
* Keep the discount on the conference fee for all speakers, but offer to 
cover several nights in one of the cheaper nearby hotels, for those 
speakers who aren't being covered by their work but who also aren't 
eligible for TAC funding?


Can't promise we'll be able to do either at this stage, but which do 
people think is more important if we have the budget room to do one?


Nick

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Marcel Offermans]

On Jul 30, 2012, at 19:26 , Nick Burch wrote:

 We may be able to extend that a bit further, depending on how the final costs 
 end up coming in at for a few things we're still waiting on. If we do have 
 some budget spare, what would people rather:
 * Free tickets for all speakers?
 * Keep the discount on the conference fee for all speakers, but offer to 
 cover several nights in one of the cheaper nearby hotels, for those speakers 
 who aren't being covered by their work but who also aren't eligible for TAC 
 funding?

I would be in favor of free tickets. To be honest, I think it would be stupid 
to have speakers pay for the conference. I might have missed something, but 
wasn't the venue completely sponsored?

Greetings, Marcel

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Marcel Offermans]

On Jul 30, 2012, at 19:49 , Steve Holden wrote:

 I realize that it may be a tradition in ApacheCon, but look at attendance 
 numbers and ask yourself if you want to see them going down still further. We 
 could marginalize the conference by keeping pricing too high.

Are the attendance numbers so low because our prices are too high? I mean I can 
name other conferences that are way more expensive than ApacheCon that are 
doing just fine, attendance wise (JavaOne, Øredev, …).

Greetings, Marcel

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Leif Hedstrom]

On 7/30/12 11:49 AM, Steve Holden wrote:

On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote:


On 7/30/12 11:26 AM, Nick Burch wrote:

On 27/07/12 13:04, Tim Williams wrote:

What are the speaker subsidies for ApacheCon EU?  I assume the show
ticket is covered.  Any hotel or travel?


We may be able to extend that a bit further, depending on how the final costs 
end up coming in at for a few things we're still waiting on. If we do have some 
budget spare, what would people rather:
* Free tickets for all speakers?

+1. Honestly, I think not providing free conference tickets for all speakers is 
a little weak. This should not include any training sessions of course.


The intention is to make the conference more accessible to those who don't get 
any support at all. Even OSCON doesn't give speakers a free ride (each talk 
attracts some travel support and one hotel night). PyCon and DjangoCon give no 
speaker support at all, other than to guarantee them the Early Bird rate.


No, not asking for a free ride. But I can't think of a conference I've 
spoken at (including OSCON), where I had to pay the conference 
registration fee. Not providing meals for speakers is ok IMO (but, don't 
count me as a vote, odds are I will unfortunately not be able to attend 
AC EU).


Cheers,

-- Leif

Re: apachecon eu speaker subsidies

[Pierre Smits]

If I  am correct, waiving the entrance fee diminishes (eats into) the
revenue stream, not adding to the cost.

2012/7/30 Nick Burch n...@apache.org

 On 30/07/12 18:52, Marcel Offermans wrote:

 On Jul 30, 2012, at 19:26 , Nick Burch wrote:

  We may be able to extend that a bit further, depending on how the final
 costs end up coming in at for a few things we're still waiting on. If we do
 have some budget spare, what would people rather:
 * Free tickets for all speakers?
 * Keep the discount on the conference fee for all speakers, but offer to
 cover several nights in one of the cheaper nearby hotels, for those
 speakers who aren't being covered by their work but who also aren't
 eligible for TAC funding?


 I would be in favor of free tickets. To be honest, I think it would be
 stupid to have speakers pay for the conference. I might have missed
 something, but wasn't the venue completely sponsored?


 Speakers can have a free ticket if they promise not to eat anything
 ;-) The venue is fully sponsored, food and other costs are not

 We potentially could make the speaker tickets free, but likely at the
 expense of being able to offer accommodation. For those who are likely to
 be speaking and won't be having the whole lot paid for by your employers,
 which is likely to matter most to you?

 Nick

Re: ApacheCon EU sponsorship

[David Nalley]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
 I promised I would post something before the end of the (West coast US) week 
 about sponsorship for ApacheCons EU and NA, so here it is. Unfortunately it 
 isn't the draft I'd anticipated due to a report after the EU site survey that 
 the basis of sponsorship was changing.

 I don't know where this new direction has come from, but I gather the 
 proposal now is that we have €1,500 partial track sponsorships (potentially 
 many per track), €6,000 exclusive track sponsorships (with no explanation as 
 to how conflict between exclusives and partials are resolved) and €8,000 
 events.

 If there's a real possibility of getting events sponsored then it would 
 relieve the conference budget of a major burden, so it seems sensible to add 
 them, but the track sponsorships may not fly as they are. The reason for this 
 is that the different tracks are of different lengths and with different 
 average attendances, so charging the same to sponsor a 100-person 1-day track 
 as a 200-person 2-day seems illogical.

 To remove that stigma (or at least to minimize the perceived iniquities it 
 imposes) I would therefore propose that we offer sponsorships as follows:

 1. Conference sponsorship: €1,500

Exposure throughout the public spaces, and signage outside sessions.

 2. Track sponsorship: €500

Exposure inside the session rooms for a particular audience.

An organization can increase its exposure by sponsoring multiple
tracks. It is permitted to sponsor all tracks.

Small companies with specialist audiences can sponsor a track without
taking out a wasteful conference sponsorship, meaning a targeted audience
at an economically efficient cost.

Big track, small track, no difference.

 3. Event sponsorship: €4,000 and up

Allows a sponsor to promote awareness through social events, which
will by default be receptions, but if we can find a volunteer with flair
they might be much more.


Hi Steve,

So this scheme seems personally a bit convoluted to me based on past
conferences I've been involved with or that $dajyob has sponsored. [1]
has an example. I personally don't understand the difference between
conference and event sponsorship at first glance (after reading it
several times, I do understand it, but think it could be better said
as party sponsorship than event)

Typically all sponsors must be 'regular sponsors' which has tiered
levels. (typically semi-precious and precious metals denote the
increasing value). Those tiered levels buy them additional things,
which might be as simple as bigger logo, etc. Alternatively, you could
have a flat fee for 'conference sponsorship (as you have proposed).
And regardless of which of those methods, have plenty of additional
sponsorship 'opportunities' are also available for specific targeted
things. This does keep the 'elevator pitch' to a minimum, so you pitch
them on the 'levels of sponsorship' and then after they've gotten into
that, you offer the additional sponsorship opportunities on a first
come-first served basis. (e.g. you can't just sponsor having your logo
on the tshirt, or sponsoring a party, you must sponsor the conference,
and that opens up additional opportunities (perhaps including track
sponsorship, though I agree that will be messy, especially with some
tracks estimating 1 day of 25 and others at multiple days of 300 - and
to boot all of those numbers are very handwavy at this point anyway)).

The thing that really concerns me from this is I haven't seen an
amount that needs to be raised. Perhaps that has been discussed
privately and isn't polite to talk about in public. All of the rest of
this becomes far more academic without knowing what that number needs
to be.

--David

[1] http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/self-2012-prospectus.pdf

Re: ApacheCon EU and presentation recording

[Pierre Smits]

Hi Nick,

As I have some time available in the coming months I can surely help out
and I am interested to head this.

Regards,

Pierre

2012/7/23 Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com

 On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote:

 2012/7/18 Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com

 Video recording would be nice, but probably not something we've got the
 budget to cover ourselves. If we wanted it, then I think we'd either need
 to find a company who'd do it for us, or a volunteer group. If there are
 volunteers interested in seeing videoing happen, then I can point you at
 people who've done other tech conferences in Germany who might be able to
 offer advice/contacts. Don't suppose you'd be interested in heading this
 up
 Pierre, would you? :)


 Could you elaborate on what the heading this up would entail?


 Basically everything required to make it happen, if possible! So, speaking
 to people/companies/groups that might be able to video, and similar
 conferences who've done it recently, then working out if it can be done for
 no / almost no cost to the foundation.

 Nick

Re: ApacheCon EU and presentation recording

[Ross Gardler]

Pierre, I'll send you the Linux Media contact offline. They have done past
ApacheCons. Be sure to coordinate our side of things (e.g. permissions
etc.) via this list, but in the main you should be encouraging them to
handle the venue themselves.

Ross

From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness
On Jul 28, 2012 2:12 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Nick,

 As I have some time available in the coming months I can surely help out
 and I am interested to head this.

 Regards,

 Pierre

 2012/7/23 Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com

  On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote:
 
  2012/7/18 Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com
 
  Video recording would be nice, but probably not something we've got the
  budget to cover ourselves. If we wanted it, then I think we'd either
 need
  to find a company who'd do it for us, or a volunteer group. If there
 are
  volunteers interested in seeing videoing happen, then I can point you
 at
  people who've done other tech conferences in Germany who might be able
 to
  offer advice/contacts. Don't suppose you'd be interested in heading
 this
  up
  Pierre, would you? :)
 
 
  Could you elaborate on what the heading this up would entail?
 
 
  Basically everything required to make it happen, if possible! So,
 speaking
  to people/companies/groups that might be able to video, and similar
  conferences who've done it recently, then working out if it can be done
 for
  no / almost no cost to the foundation.
 
  Nick
 

Re: ApacheCon EU and presentation recording

[Pierre Smits]

Ross,

Thanks. I have received your other mail as well. I will start contacting
them.

Regards,

Pierre

2012/7/28 Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com

 Pierre, I'll send you the Linux Media contact offline. They have done past
 ApacheCons. Be sure to coordinate our side of things (e.g. permissions
 etc.) via this list, but in the main you should be encouraging them to
 handle the venue themselves.

 Ross

 From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness
 On Jul 28, 2012 2:12 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Nick,
 
  As I have some time available in the coming months I can surely help out
  and I am interested to head this.
 
  Regards,
 
  Pierre
 
  2012/7/23 Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com
 
   On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote:
  
   2012/7/18 Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com
  
   Video recording would be nice, but probably not something we've got
 the
   budget to cover ourselves. If we wanted it, then I think we'd either
  need
   to find a company who'd do it for us, or a volunteer group. If there
  are
   volunteers interested in seeing videoing happen, then I can point you
  at
   people who've done other tech conferences in Germany who might be
 able
  to
   offer advice/contacts. Don't suppose you'd be interested in heading
  this
   up
   Pierre, would you? :)
  
  
   Could you elaborate on what the heading this up would entail?
  
  
   Basically everything required to make it happen, if possible! So,
  speaking
   to people/companies/groups that might be able to video, and similar
   conferences who've done it recently, then working out if it can be done
  for
   no / almost no cost to the foundation.
  
   Nick
  
 

Re: ApacheCon EU event

[Steve Holden]

Please understand that the extension of the CfP deadline was a suggestion only. 
I am not a dictator (not for ApacheCon EU, anyway ... ;-)

It's up to ConCom whether that happens or not.

regards
 Steve

On Jul 28, 2012, at 4:09 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:

  Steve, All,
 
 Thanks for the extension on the deadline for CfP and the explanation on the 
 sponsorship.
 
 Coming Monday (30th), the OFBiz Track Team is holding their confcall on how 
 to organize the OFBiz track. We will then have the opportunity to address 
 those issues. 
 After the confcall we will able to fill in more blanks (that we currently 
 have) regarding the OFBiz track.
 
 Regards,
 
 Pierre

--
Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com,  Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next:   DjangoCon US Sep 6-8, Washington DC http://djangocon.us/

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which track for Apache Syncope (incubating)?

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

Hi Francesco...

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò 
ilgro...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi all,
 I'd like to propose to the Apache Syncope (incubating) team a talk about
 the project at ApacheCon EU 2012.

 Any hint about the track? As Identity Manager, Syncope would naturally
 belong to something related to enterprise domain integration. Maybe JEE
 [1]?


Indeed, ApacheEE would be a perfect place for such project



 Thanks for your support.
 Regards.

 [1] http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee

 --
 Francesco Chicchiriccò

 ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
 http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/




-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Mark Struberg]

Hi!

Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on our 
Java EE core technologies stack.
Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the 
overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)


Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and 
showcases the different Enterprise Integration scenarios.
Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?

In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the first 
glance, but are heavily different at the end:
Syncope/Shiro
Jackrabbit/Sling
Accumulo/Cassandra

...

Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is an 
easy to cover conference topic though, but I got lots of questions regarding 
the focus of a few projects.


LieGrue,
strub



- Original Message -
 From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
 Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?
 
 Hi Martin
 
 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith 
 martin.ve...@bmw-carit.dewrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
  project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
  are asking ourself which track fits the best.
 
  Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
  more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
  In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
  topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?
 
 
 What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee
 
 IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
 specifically integration and services oriented software development
 
 
 
  Thanks,
  Martin
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep 
 moving
 - Albert Einstein
 

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Francesco Chicchiriccò]

On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:
 Hi!

 Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on 
 our Java EE core technologies stack.
 Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the 
 overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)

Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
an Identity Manager [2]
Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
Federation, ...
Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
management, ...

These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.

 Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and 
 showcases the different Enterprise Integration scenarios.

This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
Integration  Service APIs track [4].

Regards.

 Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?

 In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the 
 first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
 Syncope/Shiro
 Jackrabbit/Sling
 Accumulo/Cassandra

 ...

 Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is 
 an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got lots of questions 
 regarding the focus of a few projects.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
[3]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29
[4]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E

 - Original Message -
 From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
 Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

 Hi Martin

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith 
 martin.ve...@bmw-carit.dewrote:

  Hi all,

  the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
  project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
  are asking ourself which track fits the best.

  Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
  more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
  In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
  topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?

 What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee

 IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
 specifically integration and services oriented software development

-- 
Francesco Chicchiriccò

ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Ioan Eugen Stan]

Hi,

I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
(twitter, XMMP, etc. ).

Any suggestions are welcomed.

Cheers,

2012/7/23 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de:
 Hi!

 Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on 
 our Java EE core technologies stack.
 Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the 
 overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)


 Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and 
 showcases the different Enterprise Integration scenarios.
 Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?

 In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the 
 first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
 Syncope/Shiro
 Jackrabbit/Sling
 Accumulo/Cassandra
 ...

 Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is 
 an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got lots of questions 
 regarding the focus of a few projects.


 LieGrue,
 strub



 - Original Message -
 From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
 Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

 Hi Martin

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
 martin.ve...@bmw-carit.dewrote:

  Hi all,

  the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
  project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
  are asking ourself which track fits the best.

  Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
  more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
  In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
  topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?


 What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee

 IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
 specifically integration and services oriented software development



  Thanks,
  Martin




 --
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
 - Albert Einstein




-- 
Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

Hi

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com wrote:

 On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:

 I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
 listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
 OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.


 Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
 CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.


  I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
 (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).


 If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
 project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
 tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the additional
 notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.


Thats actually the main logic behind which I chose ApacheEE for these
proposals as yes it might not be a directly related to EE applications but
any EE application needs security and also integration technologies so they
are some how related. That is at least how I think about it.




 Nick




-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Ioan Eugen Stan]

Hi Nour,

Your logic is reasonable. The only thing that's misleading is the
name. ApacheEE may be a good home for enterprise project not directly
related to Java EE. For instance James can be deployed as a WAR but
not it's not usually the case. That being said I think ApacheEE is the
more likely home for James as it's component based (using Spring) and
can be deployed as a WAR.

If it's ok with you I'll like to add it myself to ApacheEE track.  The
only request I have is to tell me how I can do that so I can be of
help with page editing in the future. I've missed that course
unfortunately.

p.s. I was expecting the website to use Apache CMS but it's not.

Cheers,

2012/7/23 Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com:
 Hi

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com wrote:

 On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:

 I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
 listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
 OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.


 Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
 CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.


  I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
 (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).


 If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
 project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
 tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the additional
 notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.


 Thats actually the main logic behind which I chose ApacheEE for these
 proposals as yes it might not be a directly related to EE applications but
 any EE application needs security and also integration technologies so they
 are some how related. That is at least how I think about it.




 Nick




 --
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
 - Albert Einstein



-- 
Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: Francesco Chicchiriccò ilgro...@apache.org

On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:

Hi!

Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing purely on our 
Java EE core technologies stack.
Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain the 
overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)


Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
an Identity Manager [2]
Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
Federation, ...
Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
management, ...

These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.


Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and showcases 
the different Enterprise Integration
scenarios.


This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
Integration  Service APIs track [4].

Regards.


Thanks for this answer,

Pretty useful, we (at least I) hope to use both of them in OFBiz... one day...
BTW how Syncope relates to NIST http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/ ?

Jacques


Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?

In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same on the first 
glance, but are heavily different at the end:
Syncope/Shiro
Jackrabbit/Sling
Accumulo/Cassandra

...

Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if this is an 
easy to cover conference topic though, but I got
lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
[3]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29
[4]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E


- Original Message -

From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

Hi Martin

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
martin.ve...@bmw-carit.dewrote:


 Hi all,

 the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about the
 project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our proposal we
 are asking ourself which track fits the best.

 Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network services. (for
 more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
 In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure or Cloud
 topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?


What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee

IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
specifically integration and services oriented software development


--
Francesco Chicchiriccò

ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Nick Burch]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:

If it's ok with you I'll like to add it myself to ApacheEE track.


Go ahead and submit your proposal to that track!

The only request I have is to tell me how I can do that so I can be of 
help with page editing in the future. I've missed that course 
unfortunately.


If you let us know your username for the site, we can grant you karma so 
you can edit the track description to expand it



p.s. I was expecting the website to use Apache CMS but it's not.


Nope, it's a single system for website + proposal + scheduling + 

Nick

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Francesco Chicchiriccò]

On 23/07/2012 15:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
 From: Francesco Chicchiriccò ilgro...@apache.org
 On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:
 Hi!

 Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing
 purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
 Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain
 the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)

 Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
 an Identity Manager [2]
 Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
 Federation, ...
 Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
 management, ...

 These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
 application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
 Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.

 Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core
 track and showcases the different Enterprise Integration
 scenarios.

 This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
 Integration  Service APIs track [4].

 Regards.

 Thanks for this answer,

 Pretty useful, we (at least I) hope to use both of them in OFBiz...
 one day...
 BTW how Syncope relates to NIST http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/ ?

Hi Jacques,
thanks for your interest.

At the moment there is no direct relation with external Role Based
Access Control (RBAC), while Syncope is implementing such approach for
its own internal authentication and authorization model; anyway it is
something noticeable for the roadmap: why don't you start a thread on
syncope-...@incubator.apache.org?

Regards.

 Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?

 In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same
 on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
 Syncope/Shiro
 Jackrabbit/Sling
 Accumulo/Cassandra

 ...

 Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if
 this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got
 lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
 [3]
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29

 [4]
 http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E


 - Original Message -
 From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
 To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
 Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as
 Apache Etch?

 Hi Martin

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
 martin.ve...@bmw-carit.dewrote:

  Hi all,

  the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about
 the
  project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our
 proposal we
  are asking ourself which track fits the best.

  Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network
 services. (for
  more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
  In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure
 or Cloud
  topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?

 What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee

 IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
 specifically integration and services oriented software development

 -- 
 Francesco Chicchiriccò

 ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
 http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/




-- 
Francesco Chicchiriccò

ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Jacques Le Roux]

From: Francesco Chicchiriccò ilgro...@apache.org

On 23/07/2012 15:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

From: Francesco Chicchiriccò ilgro...@apache.org

On 23/07/2012 12:43, Mark Struberg wrote:

Hi!

Don't think that ApachEE fits good for Etch. ApachEE is focusing
purely on our Java EE core technologies stack.
Same for Syncope, though it's much closer. Would be nice to explain
the overlaps/difference between Syncope and Shiro btw ;)


Uh, quite easy, indeed: Shiro is an Access Manager [1] while Syncope is
an Identity Manager [2]
Access Management is more about authentication, Single SignOn,
Federation, ...
Identity Management is more about user provisioning, password
management, ...

These two areas can be easily confused because in almost every
application domain they are tightly connected; think, for example, that
Syncope roadmap [3] contains an integration path with Shiro.


Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core
track and showcases the different Enterprise Integration
scenarios.


This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
Integration  Service APIs track [4].

Regards.


Thanks for this answer,

Pretty useful, we (at least I) hope to use both of them in OFBiz...
one day...
BTW how Syncope relates to NIST http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/ ?


Hi Jacques,
thanks for your interest.

At the moment there is no direct relation with external Role Based
Access Control (RBAC), while Syncope is implementing such approach for
its own internal authentication and authorization model; anyway it is
something noticeable for the roadmap: why don't you start a thread on
syncope-...@incubator.apache.org?


It's too early yet. We are just restructuring the core. And anyway I have not much availabilit to put in it at the moment. But I 
keep the idea!


Jacques


Regards.


Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?

In general: we have quite a few projects which sound like the same
on the first glance, but are heavily different at the end:
Syncope/Shiro
Jackrabbit/Sling
Accumulo/Cassandra

...

Would be interesting to better explain the differences? Not sure if
this is an easy to cover conference topic though, but I got
lots of questions regarding the focus of a few projects.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_access_management
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_management
[3]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SYNCOPE/Roadmap#Roadmap-3.0.0%28Maggiore%29

[4]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103%40apache.org%3E



- Original Message -

From: Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com
To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as
Apache Etch?

Hi Martin

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Veith
martin.ve...@bmw-carit.dewrote:


 Hi all,

 the Apache Etch (incubating) team would like to give a talk about
the
 project at ApacheCon EU 2012. As we are currenlty preparing our
proposal we
 are asking ourself which track fits the best.

 Etch is a middleware framework to build and consum network
services. (for
 more details: http://incubator.apache.org/etch)
 In my opinion, a middleware is not a classical Web Infrastructure
or Cloud
 topic. Maybe Apache Daily? What do you think?


What about http://www.apachecon.eu/tracks/#apache-ee

IMO this fits in the enterprise applications related category more
specifically integration and services oriented software development


--
Francesco Chicchiriccò

ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/





--
Francesco Chicchiriccò

ASF Member, Apache Cocoon PMC and Apache Syncope PPMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Nick Burch]

On 23/07/12 12:06, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:

Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track and showcases 
the different Enterprise Integration scenarios.


This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
Integration  Service APIs track [4].


Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?


If there are the volunteers to run the track, then we can certainly look 
at adding a new one, and maybe rolling the Camel track into it! We'd 
need to make that call soon though. Any takers for being the track chairs?


Nick

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

Hi Ioan...

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Ioan Eugen Stan stan.ieu...@gmail.comwrote:

 2012/7/23 Ioan Eugen Stan stan.ieu...@gmail.com:
  Hi Nour,
 
  Your logic is reasonable. The only thing that's misleading is the
  name. ApacheEE may be a good home for enterprise project not directly
  related to Java EE. For instance James can be deployed as a WAR but
  not it's not usually the case. That being said I think ApacheEE is the
  more likely home for James as it's component based (using Spring) and
  can be deployed as a WAR.

 Sorry for re-replaying: I've meant to say that some enterprise things
 are not necessarily JavaEE and ApacheEE make me think only JavaEE.

 Note to self: I should re-read stuff before I send.


:) no worries



 
  If it's ok with you I'll like to add it myself to ApacheEE track.  The
  only request I have is to tell me how I can do that so I can be of
  help with page editing in the future. I've missed that course
  unfortunately.
 
  p.s. I was expecting the website to use Apache CMS but it's not.
 
  Cheers,
 
  2012/7/23 Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com:
  Hi
 
  On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com
 wrote:
 
  On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Ioan Eugen Stan wrote:
 
  I'm also having difficulties getting James in any of the tracks
  listed. Could fit to Apache EE or Web Infrastructure or maybe even
  OFBiz. But doesn't identify itself with any of them.
 
 
  Tracks are based on the proposals we received from projects before the
  CFP. Not all projects responded at the time :/ So there are gaps now.
 
 
   I'll submit a talk about using James as a gateway for email-to-any
  (twitter, XMMP, etc. ).
 
 
  If there's one really obvious track, let us know and we can add the
  project to the list for that track. If there are a couple of possible
  tracks, submit against the most likely, and add a note in the
 additional
  notes field about the other track(s) that might work too.
 
 
  Thats actually the main logic behind which I chose ApacheEE for these
  proposals as yes it might not be a directly related to EE applications
 but
  any EE application needs security and also integration technologies so
 they
  are some how related. That is at least how I think about it.
 
 
 
 
  Nick
 
 
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
  - Albert Einstein
 
 
 
  --
  Ioan Eugen Stan / CTO / http://axemblr.com



 --
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-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

Hi Nick...

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com wrote:

 On 23/07/12 12:06, Francesco Chicchiriccň wrote:

 Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track
 and showcases the different Enterprise Integration scenarios.


 This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
 Integration  Service APIs track [4].

  Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?


 If there are the volunteers to run the track, then we can certainly look
 at adding a new one, and maybe rolling the Camel track into it! We'd need
 to make that call soon though. Any takers for being the track chairs?


Good idea, we could name it (Enterprise) Integration track, but as you said
that would need a chair



 Nick




-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: Apachecon EU 2012 - Which Track for a middleware as Apache Etch?

[Mohammad Nour El-Din]

On another thought, why not the already existing Camel track chair to  be
the same for the one that might be named (Enterprise) Integration track ?

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din 
nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Nick...

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.comwrote:

 On 23/07/12 12:06, Francesco Chicchiriccň wrote:

 Maybe we could have a 2nd track which supplements the ApachEE core track
 and showcases the different Enterprise Integration scenarios.


 This sounds reasonable to me and in the direction of the aborted
 Integration  Service APIs track [4].

  Maybe that would also fit to Camel and it's parts?


 If there are the volunteers to run the track, then we can certainly look
 at adding a new one, and maybe rolling the Camel track into it! We'd need
 to make that call soon though. Any takers for being the track chairs?


 Good idea, we could name it (Enterprise) Integration track, but as you
 said that would need a chair



 Nick




 --
 Thanks
 - Mohammad Nour
 
 Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
 - Albert Einstein




-- 
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein

Re: ApacheCon EU Event, website and interest measurement

[Daniel Shahaf]

Daniel Gruno wrote on Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:35:04 +0200:
 On 07/22/2012 02:54 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
  Dear All,
  
  Would it be a neat feature if we would have some kind of 'like' mechanism
  available in the site of the event for each track, so we all could form our
  thoughts on how interested the public (intended audience?) is for each
  track?
  
  Also, would it possible to show for each track how many papers have been
  submitted as well? This could help the audience and ourselves (PTC et all)
  with planning?
  
  Regards,
  
  Pierre
  
 I 'like' mechanism is certainly a viable option. One could expand on
 this and possibly allow people to comment on a track or a speech,
 letting us know what people think about the track/speech and which
 questions/issues they'd like brought up there.
 

Daniel, the first rule of plugging is to actually mention somewhere the
name of the thing you are trying to plug...

 Just an idea :)
 
 With regards,
 Daniel.

Re: ApacheCon EU Event, website and interest measurement

[Nick Burch]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote:
Would it be a neat feature if we would have some kind of 'like' 
mechanism available in the site of the event for each track, so we all 
could form our thoughts on how interested the public (intended 
audience?) is for each track?


I think the planned way to gauge that is by the number of submissions for 
a track, and on the ratings given to talk proposals in it.


I believe that the ability for people who have submitted talk proposals to 
rate other talks should be coming this week, but Steve can perhaps 
confirm? (The website software supports it, it needs a few tweaks before 
it can go live). If you've experienced the PyCon CFP before, then I'm told 
it'll be much the same process


Also, would it possible to show for each track how many papers have been 
submitted as well? This could help the audience and ourselves (PTC et 
all) with planning?


You should be able to see that in the review process when it's live

Nick

Re: ApacheCon EU Event, website and interest measurement

[Daniel Gruno]

On 07/22/2012 12:14 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
 
 Daniel, the first rule of plugging is to actually mention somewhere the
 name of the thing you are trying to plug...
 

I wasn't trying to plug comments.apache.org, I was merely suggesting
that having people be able to comment on upcoming tracks might be an
idea worth exploring. Was it inspired by it? yes, but it wasn't meant as
a sales pitch. I think people already know of comments.a.o, and if the
organizers are interested, I'd be more than happy to show them how it
works, but it was not my intention to promote a specific piece of
software, it was my intention to promote an idea.

With regards,
Daniel.

Re: ApacheCon EU Event, website and interest measurement

[Daniel Gruno]

on a site note, there's still a track called Web infractrusture. Can
someone fix this? The link in the list is correct, but the title at the
bottom still hasn't been fixed.

With regards,
Daniel.

Re: ApacheCon EU Event, website and interest measurement

[Nick Burch]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, Daniel Gruno wrote:
on a site note, there's still a track called Web infractrusture. Can 
someone fix this? The link in the list is correct, but the title at the 
bottom still hasn't been fixed.


Good spot, should be fixed now

If someone fancies coming up with a slightly expanded description for the 
track to go on the website, we wouldn't say no! (Otherwise we'll bug the 
people listed as the track chairs for a bigger description a bit nearer 
the time)


Nick

Re: ApacheCon EU and presentation recording

[Nick Burch]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote:

2012/7/18 Nick Burch nick.bu...@alfresco.com

Video recording would be nice, but probably not something we've got the
budget to cover ourselves. If we wanted it, then I think we'd either need
to find a company who'd do it for us, or a volunteer group. If there are
volunteers interested in seeing videoing happen, then I can point you at
people who've done other tech conferences in Germany who might be able to
offer advice/contacts. Don't suppose you'd be interested in heading this up
Pierre, would you? :)


Could you elaborate on what the heading this up would entail?


Basically everything required to make it happen, if possible! So, speaking 
to people/companies/groups that might be able to video, and similar 
conferences who've done it recently, then working out if it can be done 
for no / almost no cost to the foundation.


Nick