Re: [apple-crop] ledge in tall spindle planting
Michael: Thanks for the reply. What we have hit is granite ledge, which is non poundable. I think the boring machine will be needed. Frank Carlson From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Michael Vaughn Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:27 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] ledge in tall spindle planting FrANKLYN, I have a 4 acre planting that has a layer locally called a Hardpackthat occurs about 12 to 18 inches down. I used a skid steer with a hydraulic Ram for pounding/driving posts. I drove 5-6 treated southern pine posts 4 feet down with little trouble. Beside the End posts/anchors there is another post every 30 ft or so. In between the posts I planted 10 to 11 Tall spindle trees all secured to 4 layers of High tensile wire spaced every 2 ft. This anchoring has been in the ground for 4 years now and is quite stable. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Frank Carlson fcarl...@carlsonorchards.com wrote: We are inquiring if anyone else has hit unexpected ledge in anchoring a tall spindle planting? We are hitting it 18inches down, surely not enough to anchor a post in the soil. One idea we have is to drill a 13/4 inch hole in the ledge and put a 12 foot galv steel fence post in, but it is only good for every other one because of its strength to bend when you use more than one. Experience or ideas ? Thanks, Frank Bruce Carlson Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres. Carlson Orchards, Inc. 115 Oak Hill Road P.O.Box 359 Harvard, MA. 01451 617-968-4180 cell 978-456-3916 office ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] ledge in tall spindle planting
Quarter stick dynamite. Sent from my iPhone On 23 May 2012, at 01:35 PM, Frank Carlson fcarl...@carlsonorchards.com wrote: Michael: Thanks for the reply. What we have hit is granite ledge, which is non poundable. I think the boring machine will be needed. Frank Carlson From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Michael Vaughn Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:27 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] ledge in tall spindle planting FrANKLYN, I have a 4 acre planting that has a layer locally called a Hardpackthat occurs about 12 to 18 inches down. I used a skid steer with a hydraulic Ram for pounding/driving posts. I drove 5-6 treated southern pine posts 4 feet down with little trouble. Beside the End posts/anchors there is another post every 30 ft or so. In between the posts I planted 10 to 11 Tall spindle trees all secured to 4 layers of High tensile wire spaced every 2 ft. This anchoring has been in the ground for 4 years now and is quite stable. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Frank Carlson fcarl...@carlsonorchards.com wrote: We are inquiring if anyone else has hit unexpected ledge in anchoring a tall spindle planting? We are hitting it 18inches down, surely not enough to anchor a post in the soil. One idea we have is to drill a 13/4 inch hole in the ledge and put a 12 foot galv steel fence post in, but it is only good for every other one because of its strength to bend when you use more than one. Experience or ideas ? Thanks, Frank Bruce Carlson Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres. Carlson Orchards, Inc. 115 Oak Hill Road P.O.Box 359 Harvard, MA. 01451 617-968-4180 cell 978-456-3916 office ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] ledge in tall spindle planting
Frank, Ours is a very ledgy site; shale loam, with emphasis on shale. We've been working with a fencing contractor who resorted to pre-drilling each hole with a rock drill before pounding in posts (metal or wood). No failed posts, most got about four feet in. I'd also be a bit extra concerned about water stress on your site- dwarf root systems on shallow soils not a good mix. Good Luck! Dan Wilson Hicks Orchard Gr anville, NY Sent from my iPad On May 24, 2555 BE, at 1:27 AM, Michael Vaughn mvaugh...@gmail.com wrote: FrANKLYN, I have a 4 acre planting that has a layer locally called a Hardpackthat occurs about 12 to 18 inches down. I used a skid steer with a hydraulic Ram for pounding/driving posts. I drove 5-6 treated southern pine posts 4 feet down with little trouble. Beside the End posts/anchors there is another post every 30 ft or so. In between the posts I planted 10 to 11 Tall spindle trees all secured to 4 layers of High tensile wire spaced every 2 ft. This anchoring has been in the ground for 4 years now and is quite stable. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Frank Carlson fcarl...@carlsonorchards.com wrote: We are inquiring if anyone else has hit unexpected ledge in anchoring a tall spindle planting? We are hitting it 18inches down, surely not enough to anchor a post in the soil. One idea we have is to drill a 13/4 inch hole in the ledge and put a 12 foot galv steel fence post in, but it is only good for every other one because of its strength to bend when you use more than one. Experience or ideas ? Thanks, Frank Bruce Carlson Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres. Carlson Orchards, Inc. 115 Oak Hill Road P.O.Box 359 Harvard, MA. 01451 617-968-4180 cell 978-456-3916 office ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] ledge in tall spindle planting
Frank: Last week I was looking for info on drivers and diggers and found one of interest, linked below. The video shows a driver pounding a pipe into a rock quarry. No further description. I wrote the danuser company an email inquiry but have not received a reply. The Danuser Hammer is expected to be first available in July or August of this year. Danuser also has a CRB Rock Auger that drills 4inch diam holes in Solid and Fracturable Rock. It is made for skid-steer eqpt. Mo's suggestion of a quarter stick dynamite would be cheaper if it works. I assume he drills the ledge to accommodate the explosive. David Kollas Tolland, CT http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=R-fF1ddX3Oofeature=relmfu On May 23, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Frank Carlson wrote: We are inquiring if anyone else has hit unexpected ledge in anchoring a tall spindle planting? We are hitting it 18inches down, surely not enough to anchor a post in the soil. One idea we have is to drill a 13/4 inch hole in the ledge and put a 12 foot galv steel fence post in, but it is only good for every other one because of its strength to bend when you use more than one. Experience or ideas ? Thanks, Frank Bruce Carlson Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres. Carlson Orchards, Inc. 115 Oak Hill Road P.O.Box 359 Harvard, MA. 01451 617-968-4180 cell 978-456-3916 office ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
