Re: [apple-crop] Painting Trees

2012-03-06 Thread Nick Lucking

Randy,

I've noticed on mature trees where I had yellow belly sapsucker  
(woodpecker) damage and I've painted them, the birds do not return to  
peck.  I had quite a bit of vole damage last year where I had painted  
trunks but no guards.  I have started to add hot pepper sauce to the  
latex paint should the critters make it though the guard.


Nick Lucking
Cannon Valley Orchard

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Re: [apple-crop] Painting Trees

2012-03-06 Thread kuffelcreek
I've been using 1/3 paint, 1/3 water, 1/3 all-purpose drywall joint
compound; this is still thin enough to brush on, but makes a pretty good
crust.  I had Gripper white primer left over (Home Depot) and have been
using it, despite dire warnings about not using exterior paint.  If it
works again this year, I'm ready to declare victory as we've gotten
hammered from borers over the last several years.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:08:08 -0600, Randy Steffens Jr
randyjrsteff...@me.com wrote:
 That's interesting - what's his ratio of plaster to paint?
 
 Randy Steffens
 Shepherd's Valley Orchards 
 Tennessee
 On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:54 AM, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com wrote:
 
 Add a slug of drywall mud to the mixture and you'll have borers covered
 too!  This is John Bunker's recipe at Fedco Trees in Maine and was
 effective last year in reducing borer damage here.
 
 Kevn Hauser
 Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
 Riverside, California
 
 On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:48:36 -0600, Nick Lucking
 n...@cannonvalleyorchard.com wrote:
 Randy,
 
 I've noticed on mature trees where I had yellow belly sapsucker  
 (woodpecker) damage and I've painted them, the birds do not return to 

 peck.  I had quite a bit of vole damage last year where I had painted 

 trunks but no guards.  I have started to add hot pepper sauce to the  
 latex paint should the critters make it though the guard.
 
 Nick Lucking
 Cannon Valley Orchard
 
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Re: [apple-crop] Painting Trees

2012-03-06 Thread Maurice Tougas
Interesting observation, would be great to see some University trials.  Perhaps 
the silica acts as irritant? Do you still see borers laying eggs and larva not 
surviving? Also, which borers are targets?
I understand that there is work with pheromone confusion a la peach tee borer 
research going on. 

Do you need to repaint  every season?

Thanks

Mo tougas
Tougas Farm
Northborough, ma
Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Mar 2012, at 10:09 AM, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com wrote:

 I've been using 1/3 paint, 1/3 water, 1/3 all-purpose drywall joint
 compound; this is still thin enough to brush on, but makes a pretty good
 crust.  I had Gripper white primer left over (Home Depot) and have been
 using it, despite dire warnings about not using exterior paint.  If it
 works again this year, I'm ready to declare victory as we've gotten
 hammered from borers over the last several years.
 
 Kevin Hauser
 Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
 Riverside, California
 
 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:08:08 -0600, Randy Steffens Jr
 randyjrsteff...@me.com wrote:
 That's interesting - what's his ratio of plaster to paint?
 
 Randy Steffens
 Shepherd's Valley Orchards 
 Tennessee
 On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:54 AM, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com wrote:
 
 Add a slug of drywall mud to the mixture and you'll have borers covered
 too!  This is John Bunker's recipe at Fedco Trees in Maine and was
 effective last year in reducing borer damage here.
 
 Kevn Hauser
 Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
 Riverside, California
 
 On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:48:36 -0600, Nick Lucking
 n...@cannonvalleyorchard.com wrote:
 Randy,
 
 I've noticed on mature trees where I had yellow belly sapsucker  
 (woodpecker) damage and I've painted them, the birds do not return to 
 
 peck.  I had quite a bit of vole damage last year where I had painted 
 
 trunks but no guards.  I have started to add hot pepper sauce to the  
 latex paint should the critters make it though the guard.
 
 Nick Lucking
 Cannon Valley Orchard
 
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Re: [apple-crop] Painting Trees

2012-03-06 Thread Dave Schmitt


  
  
Cornell entomologists are working with a company that has developed
a pheromone for dogwood borer mating disruption. 

http://fruitgrowersnews.com/index.php/magazine/article/new-sex-pheromone-blend-can-control-dogwood-borer

In some regions other borers such american plum borer can be
troublesome but by and large dogwood borer is the key borer pest in
dwarf plantings. Diluted latex paint was was shown to suppress but
not completely control infestations (see link below). The plaster
addition is indeed an interesting idea. Interesting that EVA is one
of the components of drywall mud. Perlite is also a component and
its possible the tiny shards of glass may physically injure the
larvae that must crawl through it.

http://web.entomology.cornell.edu/agnello/assets/2006_Borer_barrier_rpt.pdf


On 3/6/2012 10:42 AM, Maurice Tougas wrote:

  Interesting observation, would be great to see some University trials.  Perhaps the silica acts as irritant? Do you still see borers laying eggs and larva not surviving? Also, which borers are targets?
I understand that there is work with pheromone confusion a la peach tee borer research going on. 

Do you need to repaint  every season?

Thanks

Mo tougas
Tougas Farm
Northborough, ma
Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Mar 2012, at 10:09 AM, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com wrote:


  
I've been using 1/3 paint, 1/3 water, 1/3 all-purpose drywall joint
compound; this is still thin enough to brush on, but makes a pretty good
crust.  I had "Gripper" white primer left over (Home Depot) and have been
using it, despite dire warnings about not using exterior paint.  If it
works again this year, I'm ready to declare victory as we've gotten
hammered from borers over the last several years.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:08:08 -0600, Randy Steffens Jr
randyjrsteff...@me.com wrote:


  That's interesting - what's his ratio of plaster to paint?

Randy Steffens
Shepherd's Valley Orchards 
Tennessee
On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:54 AM, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com wrote:


  
Add a slug of drywall mud to the mixture and you'll have borers covered
too!  This is John Bunker's recipe at Fedco Trees in Maine and was
effective last year in reducing borer damage here.

Kevn Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:48:36 -0600, Nick Lucking
n...@cannonvalleyorchard.com wrote:


  Randy,

I've noticed on mature trees where I had yellow belly sapsucker  
(woodpecker) damage and I've painted them, the birds do not return to 


  




  

  peck.  I had quite a bit of vole damage last year where I had painted 


  




  

  trunks but no guards.  I have started to add hot pepper sauce to the  
latex paint should the critters make it though the guard.

Nick Lucking
Cannon Valley Orchard

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Re: [apple-crop] Painting Trees

2012-03-06 Thread kuffelcreek
Well the good news is that we're gloriously free from Dogwood borer and
round-headed borer.  But per union contract we have the Pacific Flathead
borer.  The main ingredient for the drywall mud is gypsum, but may act as
you specified.  It's cheap and available everywhere, and much more
effective than any insecticide I've tried.

Kevin Hauser
Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
Riverside, California

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:31:00 -0500, Dave Schmitt
schm...@aesop.rutgers.edu wrote:
 Cornell entomologists are working with a company that has developed a 
 pheromone for dogwood borer mating disruption.
 

http://fruitgrowersnews.com/index.php/magazine/article/new-sex-pheromone-blend-can-control-dogwood-borer
 
 In some regions other borers such american plum borer can be troublesome

 but by and large dogwood borer is the key borer pest in dwarf plantings.

 Diluted latex paint was was shown to suppress but not completely control

 infestations (see link below). The plaster addition is indeed an 
 interesting idea. Interesting that EVA is one of the components of 
 drywall mud. Perlite is also a component and its possible the tiny 
 shards of glass may physically injure the larvae that must crawl through
 it.
 

http://web.entomology.cornell.edu/agnello/assets/2006_Borer_barrier_rpt.pdf
 
 
 On 3/6/2012 10:42 AM, Maurice Tougas wrote:
 Interesting observation, would be great to see some University trials. 
 Perhaps the silica acts as irritant? Do you still see borers laying
eggs
 and larva not surviving? Also, which borers are targets?
 I understand that there is work with pheromone confusion a la peach tee
 borer research going on.

 Do you need to repaint  every season?

 Thanks

 Mo tougas
 Tougas Farm
 Northborough, ma
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 6 Mar 2012, at 10:09 AM,kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com  wrote:

 I've been using 1/3 paint, 1/3 water, 1/3 all-purpose drywall joint
 compound; this is still thin enough to brush on, but makes a pretty
good
 crust.  I had Gripper white primer left over (Home Depot) and have
 been
 using it, despite dire warnings about not using exterior paint.  If it
 works again this year, I'm ready to declare victory as we've gotten
 hammered from borers over the last several years.

 Kevin Hauser
 Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
 Riverside, California

 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:08:08 -0600, Randy Steffens Jr
 randyjrsteff...@me.com  wrote:
 That's interesting - what's his ratio of plaster to paint?

 Randy Steffens
 Shepherd's Valley Orchards
 Tennessee
 On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:54 AM, kuffelcr...@kuffelcreek.com wrote:

 Add a slug of drywall mud to the mixture and you'll have borers
 covered
 too!  This is John Bunker's recipe at Fedco Trees in Maine and was
 effective last year in reducing borer damage here.

 Kevn Hauser
 Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery
 Riverside, California

 On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:48:36 -0600, Nick Lucking
 n...@cannonvalleyorchard.com  wrote:
 Randy,

 I've noticed on mature trees where I had yellow belly sapsucker
 (woodpecker) damage and I've painted them, the birds do not return
to
 peck.  I had quite a bit of vole damage last year where I had
painted
 trunks but no guards.  I have started to add hot pepper sauce to
the
 latex paint should the critters make it though the guard.

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 Cannon Valley Orchard

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Re: [apple-crop] Painting trees

2012-03-06 Thread kuffelcreek
It used to be said exterior paint had harmful chemicals that could harm
your tree, but EPA is so strict now that it's no worry: use whatever is in
the garage.

Kevin Hauser

n Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:01:17 -0800, Tommie van de Kamp pvdkf...@wvi.com
wrote:
 Just to clarify, is it best to use diluted interior or exterior latex
 paint and why?
 Tommie van de Kamp
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[apple-crop] Painting Trees

2012-03-05 Thread Randy Steffens Jr
I have noticed a very surprising and useful side affect of painting the lower 
tree trunks in my orchards with undiluted white latex paint.  I have found this 
practice completely eliminates damage caused by rabbits chewing on the trunks.  
I'm not sure why this works (perhaps the rabbits in Tennessee are not as 
voracious as elsewhere), but for me, it is absolutely stunning how effective it 
is.  I have found it makes my rabbit guards obsolete.  I have even initiated 
this practice after the rabbits have already had a taste of the bark in the 
fall, yet even then, a white latex paint application completely eliminates the 
problem.  Usually the rabbits take a bite or two of a few painted trees and 
then leave them alone for the rest of the season.  I'm hypothesizing that after 
getting a mouthful of paint chips, further dining becomes unappetizing. These 
results have been predictably occuring for a few years now, ever since I 
started the practice of painting my trunks.

Anyone else have similar results?

Randy Steffens
Shepherd's Valley Orchards
Tennessee
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