More to ad, what works best for me is to top work older Red Delicious on M7 root as RD is mostly immune to Fire Blight 6 to 8 grafts ar about right per tree, expect 5 to 6 feet growth 1st season, also. watch your grafts and remove suckers below the graft often, pinch off all side shoots except the ones that are chosen to be limbs, also, mix up some cal nitrate in a small spray bottle but weak on cal nitrate and spray JUST the limbgrafts not geeting any on the nurse limbs. I have went from seed to fruit in 2 years with this method on seedling that usually take 5 or more years or never. I would like to encourage others to breed new varieties, big universities take forever to get this done, anyone can do this, you dont need a Hort degree., expect at least one good variety in 100 crosses, but only withe right parents, my opinion is that Honey Crisp has to be one of them. Lee Elliott Upstart Nursery, Winchester Illinois ----------------------------------- On Sun, 7/8/18, <apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.com> wrote:
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Re: apple-crop Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 Nurse limbs (lee elliott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 17:53:38 +0000 (UTC) From: lee elliott <pippm...@yahoo.com> To: <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> Subject: Re: [apple-crop-2] apple-crop Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 Nurse limbs Message-ID: <1614033449.602260.1530986018...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Remove nurse limbs in stages, starting with just stubbing them about half way, cutting off the growing tips makes energy go to the limb graft, the horizontal nurse limbs are not a big problem, concentrate on the vertical nurse limbs,, I also attach 3 foot bamboo to the limb and graft with black vynal tape as the the graft union is very weak until they harden off over the winter, doing this some of the more vigorous grow a meter or more, this way am testing new seedling varieties, some will fruit in 2 years, some never. remove the nurse limbs completely in March only if the limb grafts have grown enough to feed the tree, watch carefully for Jap beetles as tthey will destroy your limb grafts overnite, paint the graft unions with white latex paint so you can find them for sure later, I have done thousands of these in search of the the new seedling that will take the place of Honey Crisp, 4 of my new apples varieties are available at Stark Bros Nursery, for sale to anyone, no r estrictions.. Hope this helps, PS visit and check your grafts about ever 7 days. Lee Elliott, Upstart Nursery, Winchester, Illinois -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 7/7/18, <apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.com> wrote: Subject: apple-crop Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.com Date: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 11:00 AM Send apple-crop mailing list submissions to ??? apple-crop@virtualorchard.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? apple-crop-ow...@virtualorchard.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of apple-crop digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Nurse limb removal? (Jon Clements) ? 2. Re: Nurse limb removal? (Hugh Thomas) ? 3. Re: Nurse limb removal? (David Doud) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:43:21 -0400 From: Jon Clements <jmcext...@gmail.com> To: Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> Subject: [apple-crop-2] Nurse limb removal? Message-ID: ??? <can+doaffb78dpojclsk6hd4sfgxwtf6eznusbzwhhjruiy2...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Anybody have an opinion (or expertise?) on when is the best time to remove nurse (limbs) on top-worked trees? Obviously want to push the grafts, so do the nurse limbs take away energy? I guess I want to say they should/could be removed during the upcoming dormant season, but what about cutting them off now? Most of the grafts have grown one to two feet by now now... Thanks. Jon -- JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon Clements) 413.478.7219 Verizon 413.378.3068 Project Fi UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin Street Belchertown, MA? 01007 http://umassfruit.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://virtualorchard.net/pipermail/apple-crop/attachments/20180706/fc9df2eb/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:11:55 -0600 From: Hugh Thomas <hughthoma...@gmail.com> To: Apple-crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> Subject: Re: [apple-crop-2] Nurse limb removal? Message-ID: <242c994e-e0f3-4899-9344-3b4d9019e...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My gut feeling, not based on any science I know of, just a few years of kicking dirt around, is too leave them until dormant, so that they can help with photo timing in the fall and the senescence will put back some nutrients. Just sayin'.... Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 6, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Jon Clements <jmcext...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anybody have an opinion (or expertise?) on when is the best time to remove nurse (limbs) on top-worked trees? Obviously want to push the grafts, so do the nurse limbs take away energy? I guess I want to say they should/could be removed during the upcoming dormant season, but what about cutting them off now? Most of the grafts have grown one to two feet by now now... > > Thanks. > > Jon > > -- > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon Clements) > 413.478.7219 Verizon > 413.378.3068 Project Fi > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin Street > Belchertown, MA? 01007 > http://umassfruit.com > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://virtualorchard.net/pipermail/apple-crop/attachments/20180706/3340d6c7/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 17:01:53 -0400 From: David Doud <david_d...@me.com> To: Apple-crop discussion list <apple-crop@virtualorchard.com> Subject: Re: [apple-crop-2] Nurse limb removal? Message-ID: <8623f475-0be6-4822-b96e-4e505bb29...@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I often pinch the growing tips on the nurse limbs to encourage vigor in the graft - lots of hormonal things going on with growing tips - if the nurse limb is threatening to overwhelm the graft I?ll remove some or all of it - D > On Jul 6, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Jon Clements <jmcext...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anybody have an opinion (or expertise?) on when is the best time to remove nurse (limbs) on top-worked trees? Obviously want to push the grafts, so do the nurse limbs take away energy? I guess I want to say they should/could be removed during the upcoming dormant season, but what about cutting them off now? Most of the grafts have grown one to two feet by now now... > > Thanks. > > Jon > > -- > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon Clements) > 413.478.7219 Verizon > 413.378.3068 Project Fi > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin Street > Belchertown, MA? 01007 > http://umassfruit.com <http://umassfruit.com/>_______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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