Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-04-09 Thread Greg Skinner
Sorry I haven’t had a chance to comment on this until now. Also, I’m not on the bloat list, but you may copy any responses to me there, if you wish. I was thinking perhaps another approach to spreading the word could be presenting talks at conferences aimed at CIOs and CTOs. They are

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-06 Thread Vishal Misra
Hi Dave, On Mar 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: I let the data take me where it may. I (not) always have, but reformed about 15 years ago. [1] I hope that you and your students also, do some experiments on the successors to PI and RED and DRR - and also follow

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-05 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Vishal Misra mi...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: Hi Dave, Thanks for your email. A few quick points: - I have actually sent a note already to someone on the Cisco PIE team about the error in the IETF IPR filing and am sure they will get it corrected. You have

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread KK
: Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing I think a combination of PI/PIE/fq_codel with ECN would enable us a) be less dependent of the physical amount of buffering that is implemented on the intermediate devices b) allow us to use buffering for what it is meant to do - ride out

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread Rong Pan (ropan)
The correct Cisco IPR is http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2540/. Vishal has done pioneering work in TCP modeling and in bringing in the classical PI controller into the AQM space. I have certainly learned a lot from him. We referenced their paper in our draft and paper, we even mentioned his name

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Rong Pan (ropan) ro...@cisco.com wrote: The correct Cisco IPR is http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2540/. Thank you very much for the pointer to the correct IPR filing. I apologize for being grumpy. -- Dave Täht Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable

Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing

2015-03-04 Thread David Lang
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015, KK wrote: Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 01:01:19 -0800 From: KK k...@cs.ucr.edu To: Vishal Misra mi...@cs.columbia.edu, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com Cc: aqm@ietf.org aqm@ietf.org, bloat bl...@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing I