Re: Peer-to-Peer Links

2003-08-05 Thread Kali Mclaughlin
Bob Wrote:
 I'm playing with another scheme and had the following question.

 Can Arachne be configured to call another individual computer over local
 phone lines, or does it need a server?

Dear List:
I think this may be easy to achieve. The wonderful DOS program CUTCP
will act as server or client over a PPP connection established by
DOSPPP, as used in Arachne. I have been able to establish a PPP login to
my ISP using CHAT. I have not done it, but it looks easy to make CHAT
act to receive incoming calls through a modem.
This would provide ftp and telnet functions. I am not clear on whether you would
run them from DOS, shelled out of Arachne, or integrated with the
graphical presentation of my computer.

Another option I have tried is to use BOADOS server. I have browsed a
DOS machine running BOADOS with another machine running Arachne, over a
serial line running ppp and it is wonderful! I imagine a dialler could be
easily inserted into DOSPPP using CHAT that would allow a login - BBS
style.

The trouble with BOADOS is that once you run it you have lost control of
the server computer until it is rebooted. Not much fun for that party! 
On the plus side, you can run a web page on the server with full html 
and graphics. It could be a very sexy dial-up noticeboard.
The setup and testing part of course you do with arachne loaded on the
server.

A problem arises if two phone connected computers are trying to be both
server and client. CUTCP allows you to change directory on the OTHER
computer, and of course there is no security. It is all a bit unnerving
to have somebody running your computer from afar!

I have been running monkeylinux which is almost a DOS program as it runs
on a DOS filesystem and offers DOSEMU. It can run PPP, lynx, Apache, etc
over ethernet or serial line/modem. That is yet another way to go amd
necause of the great security and multi-tasking of Linux you can be a
server and still use the computer. Building and editing the server
resources can of course be done with Arachne in DOS before you fire up
linux.

So  I think the chat script for receiving calls is the only work to
be done. Opinions?

Regards
Kali





http://www.nimnet.asn.au/~kali


Re: Fwd: Peer-to-Peer Links

2003-08-04 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:33:43 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Perhaps there's a mini-BBS program lurking somewhere in somebody's
 archives that would work as in OOK or DGI mode.


Yes, here it is, Tiny Host from 1992. A DOS mini-BBS program. Trade
files by phone, access remote hard drives in text mode. Makes any
DOS computer a private BBS. Can be set to answer selectively so that
your phone line can still be used for regular incoming calls. Simple
to use.


http://www.filelibrary.com/Contents/DOS/2/35.html


The file you need is th300.zip







Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
-- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Fwd: Peer-to-Peer Links

2003-08-04 Thread bobdohse
Thanks, Sam.

That looks just about perfect.

Bob

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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:43:03 -0500 Sam Ewalt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:33:43 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Perhaps there's a mini-BBS program lurking somewhere in 
 somebody's
  archives that would work as in OOK or DGI mode.
 
 
 Yes, here it is, Tiny Host from 1992. A DOS mini-BBS program. 
 Trade
 files by phone, access remote hard drives in text mode. Makes any
 DOS computer a private BBS. Can be set to answer selectively so 
 that
 your phone line can still be used for regular incoming calls. 
 Simple
 to use.
 
 
 http://www.filelibrary.com/Contents/DOS/2/35.html
 
 
 The file you need is th300.zip
 

 Sam Ewalt
 Croswell, Michigan, USA
 -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
 

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Fwd: Peer-to-Peer Links

2003-08-03 Thread psi2006







- Original Message - 
From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Peer-to-Peer Links
 On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:41:07 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

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snip

 (with the NE555) and/or check the English language? And please give 
the temperature range of the water you have to measure.

***

Sorry I wonder if the above is anything new 
to
peer-2-peer topology :)

Cheers


Rafael





Re: Fwd: Peer-to-Peer Links

2003-08-03 Thread bobdohse




On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
   (with the NE555) and/or check the English language? And please give 
  the temperature range of the water you have to measure.
  ***
  Sorry I wonder if the above is anything new 
  to
  peer-2-peer topology 
:)
Sorry, Rafael.

This was in reference to a previous email. Bastiaan had sent me an English 
translation of his article about using the COM port as a method of creating an 
electronicmeasuring device. I had forgotten to reply with my 
comments.

BTW Bastiaan, the water temperature would be summer temps for a lake (for 
swimming and fishing programs), although I also have some similarideas for 
measuring air temp, wind speed, and wind direction.

The peer-to-peer Arachne configuration was the desired - if technologically 
possible - way for experimenters to easily exchange files without using a 
separate server (most likely through an ISP). Since I live in the same town as 
Roger Turk, the preferred method of file sharing with himwould be directly 
Arachne-Arachne. In our town the call is toll free.

Ideally, people would be able to use Arachne tocall another computer 
directly - like it was in the old days with the BBS programs. Except, with 
Arachne, much more would be possible. I guess the two parties could each set up 
another box using Apache, but that would defeat the purpose of enabling 
individuals to easily communicate electronically without governmental or 
corporate interference.

Since many of the better BBS programs were DOS, I was guessing that certain 
sections ofa BBS code could be modified for use in Arachne. I didn't know 
if that had already been done and was simply a matter of changing a CFG 
file.

Perhaps there's a mini-BBS program lurking somewhere in somebody's archives 
that would work as in OOK or DGI mode.

Bob ~


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Peer-to-Peer Links

2003-08-02 Thread bobdohse

Hi all,

I'm playing with another scheme and had the following question.

Can Arachne be configured to call another individual computer over local
phone lines, or does it need a server?

I'm playing with the idea of using some old 386s and 486s as test boxes
for students to conduct basic experiments and play around with
electronics (and also to learn electronic repair). This grew out of
seeing some of Bastiaan's experimental programs with the COM ports. It
occurred to me that those ideas could easily be modified or expanded, and
that this would be a perfect way for a group of kids to learn something
useful and also keep them off the streets and out of trouble. It would
also be a great way to enlarge the Arachne and DOS communities and
generate some interesting and practical ideas.

Arachne would be a great platform for sharing their discoveries. Ideally,
it would be best to also do peer-to-peer connections using Arachne,
bypassing the need for a server (and the cost of joining an ISP). 

Has anybody done this before?

Any thoughts or comments?

Bob


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Re: Peer-to-Peer Links

2003-08-02 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:41:07 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm playing with another scheme and had the following question.

 Can Arachne be configured to call another individual computer over local
 phone lines, or does it need a server?

 I'm playing with the idea of using some old 386s and 486s as test boxes
 for students to conduct basic experiments and play around with
 electronics (and also to learn electronic repair). This grew out of
 seeing some of Bastiaan's experimental programs with the COM ports. It
 occurred to me that those ideas could easily be modified or expanded, and
 that this would be a perfect way for a group of kids to learn something
 useful and also keep them off the streets and out of trouble. It would
 also be a great way to enlarge the Arachne and DOS communities and
 generate some interesting and practical ideas.

Would be nice if Arachne could be used to call or answer another
computer (or another Arachne) just like a fax machine.

And a very nice feature would be Arachne becomming a fax machine
(receiving faxes electronicaly and not to paper) to print out or
manipulate a file later...

**
Bob, would you please comment on the second part of the experiments
(with the NE555) and/or check the English language?
And please give the temperature range of the water you have to measure.

After summer holydays I can expect some help from a laboratory with the 
calibration... CU, Bastiaan
**
 
 Arachne would be a great platform for sharing their discoveries. Ideally,
 it would be best to also do peer-to-peer connections using Arachne,
 bypassing the need for a server (and the cost of joining an ISP).

 Has anybody done this before?

 Any thoughts or comments?

 Bob

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