Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 09:23:39PM -0500, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I used gmx.net address instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] so > as to have some fodder for testing with fetchmail when I set > up with Linux. Do I need to use gmx.net SMTP or can I also > use Bluegrass Net SMTP? In Linux you will probably set up your MTA (sendmail, exim, etc.) to use your ISP's (Bluegrass) SMTP (smarthost). Best to leave it like that, although I believe that gmx supports pop-before-smtp, and smtp auth. I have a gmx account, aber ich kann nur ein Bischen Deutsch sprechen. Ask Ricsi. Howard E.
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
I subscribed to the Yahoogroups Arachne list, so I think. To: line on the confirmation message was 77 characters long. I didn't stay online long enough to get the welcome message, that was the end of my session. I didn't use the web interface at all, so I didn't have to answer all those questions. I used gmx.net address instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] so as to have some fodder for testing with fetchmail when I set up with Linux. Do I need to use gmx.net SMTP or can I also use Bluegrass Net SMTP? I noticed some messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC'ed to the Yahoogroups list. Tom
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
> I tried to subscribe to the Arachne list on Yahoo groups, but the > confirmation reply got bounced. It seems that the "To:" line is too long. > Why can't the owner of the Majordomo list just be transferred to a new owner? > Roger Turk Actually the To: line was not long enough, though it may have been too long for Compuserve. Maybe Compuserve truncates the To: line after a certain number of characters. Bug in Compuserve, and didn't you say Compuserve limited your inbox to 100 messages? I've exceeded 100 with Bluegrass Net many times, even exceeded 200. . > The attached message could not be delivered to the . > following recipients: . > To: INTERNET:com@yaho . > INTERNET:confirm-s2-61ZRTdWbKGXA6vfLLwuJ8r0h5RI-73527 . >.1356=compuserve.com@yaho See, the server has no way of knowing that the shortened ...com@yaho really is supposed to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I believe I've had To: lines even longer than this on list subscription confirmations, and I was successful sending the confirmation mini-message. I believe Majordomo is a software rather than hardware item, thus the Arachne list server would be in Michael's premises. Tom
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:34:36 -0500, Roger Turk wrote: > Glenn, > I tried to subscribe to the Arachne list on Yahoo groups, but the > confirmation reply got bounced. It seems that the "To:" line is too long. > Why can't the owner of the Majordomo list just be transferred to a new owner? > Roger Turk In a recent message Michael Polak, the author of Arachne and owner of the Arachne List said that he would have fixed the unsubscribe problem with the list if it were easy for him to do so. If it is hard for even him to fix it, then it might also be a very difficult task for any other list owner to fix it. Fixing Majordomo might require action on the part of those who administrate the Majordomo servers. Maybe the problems cannot be fixed at the list-owner level. Michael has not described the cause or the nature of the problem. He just said that the problem is not easy to fix. Sam Heywood -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
Glenn, I tried to subscribe to the Arachne list on Yahoo groups, but the confirmation reply got bounced. It seems that the "To:" line is too long. Why can't the owner of the Majordomo list just be transferred to a new owner? Roger Turk Yahoo wrote: . > #: 24223 S0/CompuServe Mail [MAIL] . > 20-Jan-03 02:26 MST . > Sb: Returned Message -- Please confirm your request to join arac . > Fm: Postmaster > DRGEN[27,400] . > To: Roger Turk [73527,1356] . > Contents: . > 1 . > 2 Please confirm your request to join arac . > Begin Part 1 . > The attached message could not be delivered to the . > following recipients: . > To: INTERNET:com@yaho . > INTERNET:confirm-s2-61ZRTdWbKGXA6vfLLwuJ8r0h5RI-73527 . >.1356=compuserve.com@yaho . > = End Part 1 / Begin Part 2 == . > Date: 20-Jan-03 02:17 MST . > From: Roger Turk [73527,1356] . > Subj: Please confirm your request to join arac . > To: INTERNET:com@yaho . > INTERNET:confirm-s2-61ZRTdWbKGXA6vfLLwuJ8r0h5RI-73527 . >.1356=compuserve.com@yaho . > = End Part 2 =
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:52:36 +, Ron Clarke wrote: >>> Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Well, I tried to subscribe, but YAHOO asked for more information > about myself than I will ever be prepared to give to YAHOO. > Now what ? Goback to Glenn's original message. It describes a second method for subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] that doesn't involve giving them any information whatsoever. It worked almost instantaneously and that was that. You don't have to tell them a thing to subscribe just to the list. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
Ron, Did you simply send mail to the Subscribe e-dress, or did you go to Yahoo? I sent mail to the first link Glenn gave -- pretty sure it's the one under "Subscribe" down there. I was told I'd get an e-mail to verify subscribe, and I did get an e-mail to verify, and then I stared getting stuff from the list ... Wasn't necessary to "join" Yahoo at all. On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:52:36 +, Ron Clarke wrote: > Hi Folks, Glenn, > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:50:42 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >>> Do you perhaps mean something like this ??? ;-) >>> arachne_ue >>> General discussion of Arachne and related subjects. >>> (Arachne is a Dos based graphical Web browser) >>> Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Well, I tried to subscribe, but YAHOO asked for more information > about myself than I will ever be prepared to give to YAHOO. > Now what ? > Regards, >Ron > Ron Clarke > http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html > http://tadpole.aus.as > -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/ -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:52:36 +, Ron Clarke wrote: > Hi Folks, Glenn, > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:50:42 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >>> Do you perhaps mean something like this ??? ;-) 4 >>> arachne_ue >>> General discussion of Arachne and related subjects. >>> (Arachne is a Dos based graphical Web browser) >>> Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Well, I tried to subscribe, but YAHOO asked for more information > about myself than I will ever be prepared to give to YAHOO. > Now what ? Do not click the link in the confirmation eMail that gets sent to you. Just click 'reply' and then 'send'. By replying-back to the message no questions will be asked. And no Yahoo ID will need to be signed-up for. You'll just begin receiving the mailing list messages. -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
Hi Folks, Glenn, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:50:42 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >> Do you perhaps mean something like this ??? ;-) >> arachne_ue >> General discussion of Arachne and related subjects. >> (Arachne is a Dos based graphical Web browser) >> Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I tried to subscribe, but YAHOO asked for more information about myself than I will ever be prepared to give to YAHOO. Now what ? Regards, Ron Ron Clarke http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html http://tadpole.aus.as -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:50:42 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >> Do you perhaps mean something like this ??? ;-) >> arachne_ue >> General discussion of Arachne and related subjects. >> (Arachne is a Dos based graphical Web browser) >> Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do they make you try to sign up for a yahoo id first? I tried signing up for a yahoo id several times a couple of years ago. They would send me a yahoo id, but when I entered my yahoo id at the prompt their system alwys rejected it. When I wrote to tech support to complain they just sent me a canned response referring me to their useless help pages. Maybe the yahoos have a system that is designed to work only with Window$. Another thing I don't like about the yahoos is that they are associated with lots of spams and porns. For this reason some ISPs won't even accept emails sent by someone using a yahoo email address. Sam Heywood -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
from Binky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My vote is to keep this as a Majordomo list. I don't > understand why the unsubscribe problem can't be fixed. > I have been on other Majordomo lists for years that > were maintained by people a lot less knowlegeable than > Michael, and there have never been any problems. Why > can't Michael (or a trusted volunteer) just manually > delete the addresses of the people who have been > trying to get off the list until the unsubscribe > function can be fixed? I mean, how much time could > that take? > Binky As of my last email download, which was a little after 10:00 GMT January 17, it has already taken months. I remember the ugly sendmail config file, sendmail.cf, a nightmare to read through and see what was happening. I never got into qmail. Any other possibilities, exim maybe? Michael said he had no more time to continue work on Arachne, so maybe the list should be switched to other hands? When should I send a subscription request to yahoogroups? Tom
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
Sendmail has very ugly config files and it is hard enough to configure it without any help from an automatic configuration tool. In addition to that, there are this Majordomo config troubles I wonder if time has come for Michael to try and switch to qmail and its companion ezmlm (for mailing lists). Both ISPs I use are employing qmail. It also took me less than two hours to compile and figure out how to install qmail and to instruct it to masquerade my e-mail address (as you can see in this e-mail's header). Qmail is more stable and versatile than sendmail and it is modular (this is why it doesn't require one huge and cryptic config file, but a bunch of much smaller and simpler ones). The biggest trouble with Qmail is setting it up to deliver mail to any domain. (needs some additional software; by default qmail has a very weird policy to prevent relaying), but it can be done. C.B. On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Binky wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:11:18 -0800 (PST) > From: Binky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled > > My vote is to keep this as a Majordomo list. I don't > understand why the unsubscribe problem can't be fixed. > I have been on other Majordomo lists for years that > were maintained by people a lot less knowlegeable than > Michael, and there have never been any problems. Why > can't Michael (or a trusted volunteer) just manually > delete the addresses of the people who have been > trying to get off the list until the unsubscribe > function can be fixed? I mean, how much time could > that take? > > Binky > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
My vote is to keep this as a Majordomo list. I don't understand why the unsubscribe problem can't be fixed. I have been on other Majordomo lists for years that were maintained by people a lot less knowlegeable than Michael, and there have never been any problems. Why can't Michael (or a trusted volunteer) just manually delete the addresses of the people who have been trying to get off the list until the unsubscribe function can be fixed? I mean, how much time could that take? Binky __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:50:42 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > If all current members of this list choose to do the following > This list will effectively be cancelled. > Anyone who might be interested may now STOP sending messages to this list. > And begin sending them here instead. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Thanks should go to Ray Andrews for making this suggestion. Yahoo groups sux. I have in the past had some very bad experiences with the yahoos. In order to send or read posts in the yahoo groups they say you have to sign up for a yahoo user ID. It appears that this is just a ruse. I suspect the yahoos just want to harvest your email address and sign you up for the opt-in lists of all the spammers they support. I suspect them of supporting spammers because their main web page has links to lots of porn sites. Almost all porn sites are promoted primarily by spammers. The yahoos won't even send you a valid yahoo user ID. If you complain to them about how your yahoo user ID doesn't work they will just send you a canned response referring you to their useless help pages. I am all in favor of dumping Majordomo, but please don't select yahoo groups as an alternative. BTW, several people on this list have reported the same problems as I have about how yahoo groups sux. Sam Heywood -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/
Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:06:35 +1300, "skywalker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Got a response from Michael, unfortunately not a very encouraging one, this > problem has being going on for months, how hard is he trying and if he does > not have the time or expertise to fix it then the list should be cancelled, > that would fix it. > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Polak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "skywalker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:43 AM > Subject: Re: arachne list cancelled >> skywalker wrote: >> > Fix the unsub function of your Majordomo installation. >> if it was that easy, I would have already done it... Cancel the list... you say If all current members of this list choose to do the following This list will effectively be cancelled. Anyone who might be interested may now STOP sending messages to this list. And begin sending them here instead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks should go to Ray Andrews for making this suggestion. --- Forward message begin --- On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:25:42 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:46:11 -0800, Ray Andrews wrote: >> Glenn, >> This refusal of Michael to fix the unsubscribe to the Arachne list is, >> IMHO, becoming more than an embarasment, its outrageous and irresponsible. >> Just a suggestion: why don't we start up a yahoo group for Arachne and tell >> Michael to shut majordomo down completely, since he seems unwilling or >> unable to manage it responsibly? > Do you perhaps mean something like this ??? ;-) > arachne_ue > General discussion of Arachne and related subjects. > (Arachne is a Dos based graphical Web browser) > Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'll wait a couple more days for Michael to fix the unsub function. > If he still has not done it by let's say Wed. evening > I will then 'invite' all current members of the list to stop > sending messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to start sending > them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead. Forward message end --- I am sorry Michael IMO, You may now 'uninstall' Majordomo from your server. Because for many of us, our patience has reached its end. :((( -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/
