Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-18 Thread Greg Mayman
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:58:05 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:

 Lets try to remember that Arachne Labs is mostly a one man show and
 if he doesn't have the time, energy, interest to deal with a problem
 then there's not much we can do.

 Maybe we could all chip in some beer money and hire him to pay
 attention for a day or two ?

There are only 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week. No amount of beer 
money can buy the 25th hour or the 8th day...

OTOH it may be better for someone else to maintain the list for him at a 
different site. A patch to redirect the incoming email to the new site 
should be all that is required for Michael to do.

Greg

-- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-17 Thread Mel Evans
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:23:01 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

Mel wrote previously:-


 I seem to remember Majordomo was/is still? a DOS based programme
 dating f rom as far back as Compuserve's initial text only
 services, although I wo uld be speculating if I said it
 belonged to Cserve, but Cserve's defe ction to AOL would
 explain lack of development recently if it was in fact a Cserve
 prog.


 Nope. MajorDomo is not much more than Perl Script file.


 It runs on any Unix/Linux system and uses 'getmail' and 'sendmail'


 It takes all mail recieved for a certain address and sends it back-
 out to all those addresses listed in a file of the same name.

 All mail recived at 'arachne.cz' which is addressed to 'arachne' is
 sent right back-out to all email addresses found in this file.
 /home/majordomo/lists/arachne

 All massages received for 'arachne-digest' are first compiled
 into the digest and then the digest is sent to all email addresses
 in this file. /home/majordomo/lists/arachne-digest


 This is one of many places to download MajorDomo..
 http://www.linuxwebmasterfree.com/majordomo.html

***

I defer completely to Glenn's (and other's) superior knowledge on this subject
but certainly I DO remember Majordomo being the vehicle for a list on Cserve I subbed 
to for
ham radio, way back in the mists of TIM Berners TIMES.

At the time I was told it was a DOS based programme, but never investigated it 
further, it worked fine for the list in question.

Oh dear, having SENIOR MOMENTS again! The modem was one of those you stuffed the phone 
into a cradle and it was all done in audio! The speed was bytes per minute almost if 
you were lucky on a good day,
with a following wind. BUT it worked most of the time!

Strike up music - - -

Memories, light the corners of my mind, 
Misty water coloured memories,
Of the way the net worked


With best wishes and regards From [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.webtheon.co.uk
http://www.xetronella.com
http://www.bccscotland.org.uk

Designing and building websites for the leisure and sports goods industries.




Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-15 Thread Mel Evans
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:05:23 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote:
 On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:04:55 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:


 The problem exists for all of the lists being served by Majordomo
 at arachne.cz


 Are there any copies of Majordomo anywhere that _DO_ allow you to
 unsubscribe? If so could we get a copy of one of those and
 substitute it for the ones that are in use at arachne.cz?

 Or is it more complicated than that?


 Greg Mayman


 -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/

Hi Greg and Gangue,

AFAIK Majordomo is suffering from the arachne syndrome, that is, it's not being kept 
up-to-date much nowadays. However, having said that, other lists I subscribe to still 
have it working and you can un-sub from it with the un-sub command, something like:

e-mail from subscribing address with x in subject line, single word unsubscribe in 
body of message,
or unsubscribe e-mail address used to subscribe in body of message

I seem to remember Majordomo was/is still? a DOS based programme dating from as far 
back as Compuserve's initial text only services, although I would be speculating if I 
said it belonged to Cserve, but Cserve's defection to AOL would explain lack of 
development recently if it was in fact a Cserve prog.

With best wishes and regards From [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.webtheon.co.uk
http://www.xetronella.com
http://www.bccscotland.org.uk

Designing and building websites for the leisure and sports goods industries.




Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-15 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:25:05 +0100, Mel Evans wrote:

 AFAIK Majordomo is suffering from the arachne syndrome, that is, it's not 
being
 kept up-to-date much nowadays. However, having said that, other lists I
 subscribe to still have it working and you can un-sub from it with the un-sub
 command, something like:

Majordomo is the old standard Unix mailing list program. It's been
used for years and years for many thousands of mailing lists without
significant problems. In todays's Internet environment there are
often security issues with older programs and I believe there were
problems of that nature at Arachne.cz.

The unsubscribe function is only broken at the Arachne.cz install.
Fixing it would require an investment of time and energy that is
evidently unavailable.

Lets try to remember that Arachne Labs is mostly a one man show and
if he doesn't have the time, energy, interest to deal with a problem
then there's not much we can do.

Maybe we could all chip in some beer money and hire him to pay
attention for a day or two ?


Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
-- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-15 Thread Cristian Burneci
Really? I thought that majordomo was an alias for listserv and listserv
is a mailing list tool, working in conjunction with sendmail on Unix
machines. 


Pe data de Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:25:05 +0100
Mel Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] a scris:

snip

  seem to remember Majordomo was/is still? a DOS based programme
 dating from as far back as Compuserve's initial text only services,
 although I would be speculating if I said it belonged to Cserve, but
 Cserve's defection to AOL would explain lack of development recently
 if it was in fact a Cserve prog.
 
 With best wishes and regards From [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 http://www.webtheon.co.uk
 http://www.xetronella.com
 http://www.bccscotland.org.uk
 
 Designing and building websites for the leisure and sports goods
 industries.
 
 


Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-15 Thread david gunnells
Hello everyone,

For the scoop on Majordomo, see:

http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/majordomo-faq.

The rest of this email is for Michael (mainly), taken from the FAQ, 
though I can't suggest anything for the unsubscribe problem off the top 
of my head w/o some knowledge of the versions of sendmail, perl, etc. 
that arachne.cz's running. Maybe you could ask the majordomo-users list, 
Michael: http://www.greatcircle.com/lists/majordomo-users/

***

- How can I restrict a list such that only subscribers can send mail to 
the list? See the restrict_post variable in the config file. Just set it 
to the filename that holds the list of subscribers, which is just simply 
the name of the list. (restrict-post = listname). However, there is an 
issue to keep in mind. Majordomo works by filtering the messages coming 
in through the listname alias, doing its dirty work, then passing the 
resulting message out to another alias you define like 
listname-outgoing. If you trust people to not send mail directly to 
the listname-outgoing alias, then you'll be fine. If however you're 
not trusting, there are several steps to make sure people don't bypass 
the restrictions of the list.

There are several methods. First you need to change your 
listname-outgoing alias such that it is not obvious. (That means don't 
use something easy to guess like -outgoing or -list). Next, you need 
to make it such that people can't find out what your -outgoing alias is.

You can use the @filename directive of resend. Put the all the normal 
command-line options of resend into a file readable only by the 
majordomo user/group. Then the alias for the list simply becomes 
.../resend @/path/to/filename. This will make it such that you can't 
find out the -outgoing address by connecting to your mailer and doing an 
EXPN or VRFY. The @filename directive seems to have fallen into 
undocumentation for some reason. This should be fixed in future 
releases. This doesn't prevent a user reading the local /etc/aliases 
file (if they can), however.

Another approach is to simply disable EXPN or VRFY altogether. See the 
documentation for your mailer on how to do this. In sendmail this is 
done by adding noexpn to the O PrivacyOptions= line in your 
sendmail.cf (multiple options are separated with a comma). However this 
doesn't prevent a local user reading the aliases file. This isn't 
generally a problem if your mail server is restricted to staff only users.

Unfortunately, Sendmail 8.x will log your -outgoing alias in the 
Received: lines. To prevent this you need to specify more than one 
address for the list name argument to resend. (for example 
mylist:|/usr/local/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -h foo.org -l mylist 
mylist-seekrit,nobody where nobody is an alias for /dev/null) For 
Sendmail 8.x you must /not/ define an alias 'owner-mylist-seekrit' to be 
something like 'owner-mylist,' (with the comma). Otherwise sendmail will 
set the envelope address of outgoing mail to contain your secret 
outgoing alias. Again if you're using the @filename directive, the 
entire command line is simply put into the specified file (starting with 
-h foo.org 

Here's another creative idea from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Perry):

/I've had a report that this no longer works with sendmail 8.9.1, but 
that it does work with 8.9.3./

Sendmail allows you to rewrite incoming and outgoing addresses. The one 
that handles incoming is virtualusertable.text. For a list called test 
with the test-outgoing alias, I put the following into my 
virtualusertable.text file and remade the db with the appropriate command:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  error:nouser User unknown

Sendmail can still get to the alias and expand it into the list of 
recipients. However, any mail that appears at port 25 marked for 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] will bounce back with User unknown.

Finally it should be noted that it is impossible with any of these 
methods above to prevent people from forging mail as someone who is 
subscribed to the list, and sending to the list that way. Of course a 
spammer can also subscribe to the list legitimately and then send spam. 
The restrict_post option blocks the vast majority of problems, however.

- How can I stop people from using my mailing list to spam my 
subscribers? [From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Richardson) ]
There are two approaches to solving spam. They are complementary.

The most general solution is to make sure that your list host will not 
accept spam. See http://spam.abuse.net/ for extensive recipes on this.

The majordomo specific way is to use the restrict_post mechanism to 
disallow posts from addresses that are not on the list. Please see 
section 3.6 
http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/majordomo-faq.html#3.6 for some 
of the pitfalls of using restrict_post. They all apply. My experience is 
that spammers have not yet learnt about the -outgoing alias, and the 
techniques in section 3.6 would apply when they do.

The major objection to using 

Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-15 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:25:05 +0100, Mel Evans wrote:

 On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:05:23 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote:
  On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:04:55 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

  The problem exists for all of the lists being served by Majordomo
  at arachne.cz

  Are there any copies of Majordomo anywhere that _DO_ allow you to
  unsubscribe? If so could we get a copy of one of those and
  substitute it for the ones that are in use at arachne.cz?

  Or is it more complicated than that?

  Greg Mayman

  -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/

 Hi Greg and Gangue,

 AFAIK Majordomo is suffering from the arachne syndrome, that is, it's not
 being kept up-to-date much nowadays. However, having said that, other li
 sts I subscribe to still have it working and you can un-sub from it with
 the un-sub command, something like:

 e-mail from subscribing address with x in subject line, single word un
 subscribe in body of message,
 or unsubscribe e-mail address used to subscribe in body of message

 I seem to remember Majordomo was/is still? a DOS based programme dating f
 rom as far back as Compuserve's initial text only services, although I wo
 uld be speculating if I said it belonged to Cserve, but Cserve's defe
 ction to AOL would explain lack of development recently if it was in fact
 a Cserve prog.

Nope. MajorDomo is not much more than Perl Script file.

It runs on any Unix/Linux system and uses 'getmail' and 'sendmail'

It takes all mail recieved for a certain address and sends it back-out
to all those addresses listed in a file of the same name.

All mail recived at 'arachne.cz' which is addressed to 'arachne'
is sent right back-out to all email addresses found in this file.
/home/majordomo/lists/arachne

All massages received for 'arachne-digest' are first compiled into the
digest and then the digest is sent to all email addresses in this file.
/home/majordomo/lists/arachne-digest


This is one of many places to download MajorDomo..
http://www.linuxwebmasterfree.com/majordomo.html

-- 
 Glenn
 http://arachne.cz/
 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/


Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Polak
Thomas Mueller wrote:

I wonder why Michael can't manually unsubscribe list members who want to leave.
While the Arachne list is helpful for information on Arachne and some other
subjects, I don't think we want to hold people hostage who want out.
I can.




Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:54:14 +0200, Michael Polak wrote:

 Glenn McCorkle wrote:

 That is great :

 I have a suggestion.

 Send a message to the list asking everyone who
 wants to remain subscribed to please 're-subscribe'

 And then immediately unsubscribe everyone.

 But Majordomo is broken. I mean I will unsubscribe people manualy.

 Would you mind replacing mailing list by web formus with daily
 anonoucments of new contributions via e-mail ?

 M.P.

Web forum ?

Do you mean something like this. ;-)
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/



-- 
 Glenn
 http://arachne.cz/
 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/


Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:23:13 +0200, Michael Polak wrote:

 Thomas Mueller wrote:

 I wonder why Michael can't manually unsubscribe list members who want to leave.
 While the Arachne list is helpful for information on Arachne and some other
 subjects, I don't think we want to hold people hostage who want out.

 I can.

Hi Michael,

That is great :

I have a suggestion.

Send a message to the list asking everyone who
wants to remain subscribed to please 're-subscribe'

And then immediately unsubscribe everyone.

-- 
 Glenn
 http://arachne.cz/
 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/


Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results] OT question

2003-08-14 Thread david gunnells
Michael Polak wrote:

But Majordomo is broken. I mean I will unsubscribe people manualy.

Would you mind replacing mailing list by web formus with daily 
anonoucments of new contributions via e-mail ?

M.P. 
Michael,
 Perhaps you could offer access to the box holding Majordomo to one of 
the linux-savvy users on the Arachne list so it may be fixed proper. 
Steve, Roger, Rob, anyone? (my memory is not up-to-snuff regarding those 
who've expressed experience w/ linux)

While you're at it, you could throw the anonymous CVS up. ;)

may this reach you smiling!
david
p.s. how are the adventures in Wi-Fi for the masses coming? 
Unfortunately, I cannot keep up w/ the latest happenings on czfree.net, 
as I do not speak/read Czech. :\



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Bernhard Eriksson
I don't understand the problem. Is this related only to the arachne list or 
to all the majordomo lists? If it's only this list then just make a new one 
and ask everyone to subscribe to that one instead. Then noone should miss 
any mail. I'm no wizard when it comes to Majordomo, but copying the 
settings from a newly created list with the settings we want over the 
current ones would also solve the problem as I see it.
//Bernie



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Mayman
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:17:51 +0200, Bernhard Eriksson wrote:

 I don't understand the problem. Is this related only to the arachne list or
 to all the majordomo lists? If it's only this list then just make a new one
 and ask everyone to subscribe to that one instead. Then noone should miss
 any mail. I'm no wizard when it comes to Majordomo, but copying the
 settings from a newly created list with the settings we want over the
 current ones would also solve the problem as I see it.

Yes, in my ignorance I wondered about that too.

Is it such a big problem to set up Majordomo again? If it is, then maybe
someone with more time on their hands than Michael has might be able to
do it for him.

But what would I know? Maybe it needs people too dumb to see the
problems to find the solution ;-)

Greg

-- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Mayman
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:49:18 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

 Hi Michael,

 That is great :
 I have a suggestion.
 Send a message to the list asking everyone who
 wants to remain subscribed to please 're-subscribe'
 And then immediately unsubscribe everyone.

Hmmm... that should work, except that there could be a delay of several
days between the time the message to re-subscribe goes out and the time
I receive it, as I often can't find time to log on for several days.

So I might miss a few days mail. Can I live with that? I dunno

Greg

-- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Clarence Verge
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:54:14 +0200, Michael Polak wrote:

 Glenn McCorkle wrote:

 That is great :

 I have a suggestion.

 Send a message to the list asking everyone who
 wants to remain subscribed to please 're-subscribe'

 And then immediately unsubscribe everyone.

 But Majordomo is broken. I mean I will unsubscribe people manualy.

I like Glenn's idea above.
Please warn us if you are willing to do it and then
just delete  /home/majordomo/lists/arachne.

Or give me file permissions. :)

- Clarence Verge
- Using Arachne V1.71 because I hate Windows crap a lot more...



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:17:51 +0200, Bernhard Eriksson wrote:

 I don't understand the problem. Is this related only to the arachne list or
 to all the majordomo lists? If it's only this list then just make a new one
 and ask everyone to subscribe to that one instead. Then noone should miss
 any mail. I'm no wizard when it comes to Majordomo, but copying the
 settings from a newly created list with the settings we want over the
 current ones would also solve the problem as I see it.
 //Bernie

The problem exists for all of the lists being served
by Majordomo at arachne.cz

I just tried unsubbing from all 5 of the lists I'm subbed to:

--- the result 
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/no-unsub.txt
__

-- 
 Glenn
 http://arachne.cz/
 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/


Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Mayman
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:32:14 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

 So I might miss a few days mail. Can I live with that? I dunno

 No problem. Send me your phone # via private Email.
 I'll call you as soon as I get the message. ;-)

Thanks, it's on its way. Just remember the time difference when you
ring. I'm at UTC+9:30. Please try to ring between 2230 and 1200 UTC 
(8:00am to 9:30pm my local time)

But if you're still putting everything on the aqc thing, I can probably 
pick up any missed messages there.

Greg

-- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Mayman
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:47:29 +0200, Michael Polak wrote:

 But if no one wants the mailing list, why there is still so significant

Who said no-one wants it? I certainly enjoy reading it and contributing
to it.

Is Glenn's thing a suitable alternative? I don't know. I haven't had the
time to investigate it thoroughly.

Greg Mayman

-- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:47:03 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:47:29 +0200, Michael Polak wrote:

 Clarence Verge wrote:

 I like Glenn's idea above.
 Please warn us if you are willing to do it and then
 just delete  /home/majordomo/lists/arachne.

 But if no one wants the mailing list, why there is still so significant
 traffic going to arachne-digest every day ? (well, I am not reading it
 any more... but arachne-digest appear in my INBOX quite often... still I
 don't have idea how the spam can get in, I deleted most of e-mails in
 wizards list, the originating addresses are not subscribed... it's weird...)

 The spam is getting in because [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 is an 'in effect' open relay.

 Anyone can send a message to it and it 'acts like' any other open relay.

 So.
X
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] needs to be 'blocked'

 also

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] needs to setup so that only those who are subscribed
 can send to it.

 As for But if no one wants the mailing list,

 Many of us still *do* want t.

 The problem is that many who are subscribed *do not* want to be.

 Those who do not can't unbsub. :(((

 IMO,
 If you delete the entire list of subscribers
 (both arachne and arachne-digest), and then only those
 who want to continue to get the list go ahead
 and re-subscribe... problem solved. :)))

Additional 'side note'

The new 'welcome to the list' message needs to have a warning added to
it letting everyone know that the unsub function is broken.

Maybe just a link to http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/unsub.htm ;-)


-- 
 Glenn
 http://arachne.cz/
 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
 http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/


Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Mayman
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:04:55 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

 The problem exists for all of the lists being served
 by Majordomo at arachne.cz

Are there any copies of Majordomo anywhere that _DO_ allow you to 
unsubscribe? If so could we get a copy of one of those and substitute it
for the ones that are in use at arachne.cz?

Or is it more complicated than that?

Greg Mayman

-- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-15 Thread Thomas Mueller
 I haven't seen anything where you were not able to delete mail which contained
 a string in the headers ... so simply search for arachne.cz in the mail
 headers.

 CU, Ricsi

Actually, it is not necessary to look all through the headers, just the
Return-Path or equivalent line is sufficient, something like

Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-12 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
Hi Ann,
did you try to unsubscribe recently?
I did when I heard MIchael was back and something happened anyway.
The reason unsubscribe was no succes was: I was unsubscribing from
another e-mail address then the address used to subscribe.

I think and hope you will succeed this time.
Or try: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

CU, Bastiaan 



On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:34:08 -0500 (EST), ann Kiszt wrote:

 accepted and I'm sorry for going off on you.  this has been slowly increasing my 
 anger towards this list for all these long months and my temper is far stronger 
 than most people online ever see.
 Please, when anyone knows anything about when this unsub problem is fixed, 
 please tell me!
 Glenn McCorkle lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:18:51 
 -0500 (EST), ann Kiszt wrote:

 Please accept my most humble appology for upsetting you with my
 suggestion to delete everything with reply-to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 --
 Glenn
 http://arachne.cz/
 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
 http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm
 http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/

 -
 Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

 [Attached file: 4H5CGO02.HTM]



Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-11 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:18:51 -0500 (EST), ann Kiszt wrote:


 When you see Reply-to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 press delete.

 --

 I DO exactly that. I'm fed up with having to do that at all. If you check the 
 subject line on this one it's actually relevant.


I've been a subscriber to this list since 1996 and I think it's
unconscionable that people haven't been able to unsubscribe for
five months or more. Unsubscribing seems such a trivial function
that it boggles the mind that it goes unfixed.

It sucks and I can only extend my condolences to those who are
trapped here against their will.

Recently I came back from a few days vacation and was confronted
with several hundred messages. It was a hassle to have to look
through and delete that many messages.

Perhaps those who wish to unsubscribe read and comment once
in a while in the vain hope that somehow, someone will be able to
find the key to the exit door.






Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
-- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/




Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-11 Thread Alejandro Lieber
On 11 Jan 03 at 3:25, Sam Ewalt wrote:

 
 I've been a subscriber to this list since 1996 and I think it's
 unconscionable that people haven't been able to unsubscribe for
 five months or more. Unsubscribing seems such a trivial function
 that it boggles the mind that it goes unfixed.
 
 It sucks and I can only extend my condolences to those who are
 trapped here against their will.
 
I agree.

I read this list since 1998, and will continue to do so.

I hate spam, and think that if you cannot unsubscribe after 6 
months trying, this list must be inmediatly closed, and a new one 
opened with the really interested persons resubscribed.





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Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-11 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:25:34 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:

snip

 Perhaps those who wish to unsubscribe read and comment once
 in a while in the vain hope that somehow, someone will be able to
 find the key to the exit door.

Sorry Michael, But I must agree with the view-point that
it is way past time to fix this

 unsubscribe arachne
 Sorry, an error has occurred while processing your request
 The caretaker of Majordomo ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) has been notified
 of the problem.

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Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-10 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
Yes, of course I was wondering and I am still wondering.
Last year people could not get out because Michael was not there.

But the problems with my provider are over (hope it stays this way).
I complained (as many others?) and the SMTP and POP services are
restored to the former login procedure.

So there is no reason anymore to unsubscribe...

CU, Bastiaan

BTW: I'll attach the JS script page for logging in the internetmail
service. I was not able to insert username and password with Arachne.

Dutch   English
Wachtwoord = password
Gebruikersnaam = user name
Vergeten   = forgotten

On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:19:52 -0500 (EST), Thomas Mueller wrote:

 I wonder why Michael can't manually unsubscribe list members who want to
leave.
 While the Arachne list is helpful for information on Arachne and some other
 subjects, I don't think we want to hold people hostage who want out.


Title: 
  Netmail - Inloggen



  
  

  

  

  

  
  

  

	  
	  	



	  	
	  

  

  

  


  	  
	  
	  	Gebruikersnaam:
	  
  	  
  	  
	  
  	  
	  
  
  

	
  	  
  	  
	  
	  	Wachtwoord:
	  
  	  
  	  
	  
	  	
	  
  	  
  	  
	  
	  	
  	  
  	  
	  
	  	
	  
  	  
  	
  

  

  


  

  

  wachtwoord vergeten?


  annuleren

  

  

  

  


Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-10 Thread ann Kiszt
Sure there is a reason to unsubscribe.  For instance,
having a list you have no use for continually landing
in your inbox would be one reason.  I cant even seem
to make working filters to trash it on sight!
I would VERY much like to know if and when the
unsubscribe is working again.
I have wanted OFF this list for months!


 --- Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Yes, of course I
was wondering and I am still
 wondering.
 Last year people could not get out because Michael
 was not there.
 
 But the problems with my provider are over (hope it
 stays this way).
 I complained (as many others?) and the SMTP and POP
 services are
 restored to the former login procedure.
 
 So there is no reason anymore to unsubscribe...
 
 CU, Bastiaan
 
 BTW: I'll attach the JS script page for logging in
 the internetmail
 service. I was not able to insert username and
 password with Arachne.
 
 Dutch   English
 Wachtwoord = password
 Gebruikersnaam = user name
 Vergeten   = forgotten
 
 On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:19:52 -0500 (EST), Thomas
 Mueller wrote:
 
  I wonder why Michael can't manually unsubscribe
 list members who want to
 leave.
  While the Arachne list is helpful for information
 on Arachne and some other
  subjects, I don't think we want to hold people
 hostage who want out.
 
 
HR

html
  head
link rel=stylesheet href=/css/netmail.css
style=text\css
title
  Netmail - Inloggen
/title
script language=javascript
  function giveFocus() {
with (document.forms[0]) {
  if (Username.value.length == 0)
Username.focus();
  else
Password.focus();
}
  }
/script
  /head
  body marginwidth=0 marginheight=0
onload=giveFocus()
center
  table width=420 height=220 border=0
cellpadding=0 cellspacing=6
tr
  td class=NM-BLUE-BACK height=20
table border=0 cellspacing=0
cellpadding=2
  tr
td
  img src=/pix/titel_inloggen.gif
width=220 height=16/td
  /tr
/table
  /td
/tr
  tr height=34
td align=center

img src=/pix/leeg.gif height=34

/td
  /tr
tr valign=top
  td
table width=408 height=116 border=0
cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0
  tr
td class=NM-LIGHT-BACK
  form name=xyz
action=/_mem_bin/verifpwd.asp method=post
style=margin: 0px;
input name=URL type=hidden
value=/email/
table border=0 cellpadding=0
cellspacing=0 align=center
  tr
  td
Gebruikersnaam:
  /td
  /tr
  tr
  td
  input type=text size=24
maxlength=100 name=Username class=textfield
value=
  /td
  /tr
  tr
td height=4
img src=/pix/leeg.gif
height=4/td
  /tr
  tr
  td
Wachtwoord:
  /td
  /tr
  tr
  td
input type=password
size=24 maxlength=40 name=Password
class=textfield
  /td
  /tr
  tr
  td height=6
img src=/pix/leeg.gif
height=6/td
  /tr
  tr
  td align=center
input type=image
name=login value=inloggen
src=/pix/netmail_inloggen.gif border=0
idth=80 height=14
  /td
  /tr
/table
  /form
/td
  /tr
/table
  /td
/tr
tr height=20
  td class=NM-DARK-BACK
table width=408 border=0
cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0
  tr
td
  nbsp;a
href=http://service1.hetnet.nl/selfcare/default.asp?strDisplay=wo;
target=_blank class=N
-POPUP-SLUITENwachtwoord vergeten?/a
/td
td class=NM-DARK-BACK
align=right
  a href=javascript:window.close()
class=NM-POPUP-SLUITENannulerenimg
src=/pix/dot_white.gif wid
h=5 height=5 hspace=6 vspace=1 border=0/a
/td
  /tr
/table
  /td
/tr
  /table
/center
  /body
/html 

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Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-10 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:18:59 -0500 (EST), ann Kiszt wrote:

 Sure there is a reason to unsubscribe.  For instance,
 having a list you have no use for continually landing
 in your inbox would be one reason.  I cant even seem
 to make working filters to trash it on sight!
 I would VERY much like to know if and when the
 unsubscribe is working again.
 I have wanted OFF this list for months!

Just curious..

Why are you still reading and then replying to
messages from a list that you want off of 

I have a suggestion.

All messages from this list have the same 'reply-to' address.

When you see Reply-to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  press delete.

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Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-10 Thread ann Kiszt
--- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:18:59 -0500 (EST), ann Kiszt  wrote:  Just curious..   Why are you still reading and then replying to  messages from a list that you want off of    I have a suggestion.   All messages from this list have the same 'reply-to'  address.   When you see "Reply-to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"   press delete.   -- I DO exactly that. I'm fed up with having to do that at all. If you check the subject line on this one it's actually relevant. 
I have been trapped on this FUCKING LIST FOR SIX FUCKING MONTHS AND I WANT THE FUCK OFF IT! When you can't stop mail from coming from somewhere, not EVEN WITH A FILTER, doesn't that count as fucking SPAM So don't sit there saying I shouldn't be answering this letter because I should delete on sight. I shouldn't HAVE to delete on sight in the FIRST PLACE! What do I have to do to get off this list? Employ the troll tactics I've seen online Or perhaps you think I should give up this email account, change all my other list subs and notify all my contacts because of this one list? I did not ask YOU to unsub me, clearly you don't give a flying fuck about it, so either tell me if you have any useful help for me or shut your fucking yap. Unfuckingbelievable. YES, I have configured filters for every version of the reply to I've ever seen, to no avail.
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Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-10 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:18:51 -0500 (EST), ann Kiszt wrote:

snipped all

Please accept my most humble appology for upsetting you with my
suggestion to delete everything with reply-to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-10 Thread ann Kiszt
 accepted and I'm sorry for going off on you. this has been slowly increasing my anger towards this list for all these long months and my temper is far stronger than most people online ever see.
Please, when anyone knows anything about when this unsub problem is fixed, please tell me!
 Glenn McCorkle lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: 
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:18:51 -0500 (EST), ann Kiszt wrote:Please accept my most humble appology for upsetting you with mysuggestion to delete everything with "reply-to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"-- Glennhttp://arachne.cz/http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htmhttp://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Re: Stll no unsubscribe[Fwd: Majordomo results]

2003-01-09 Thread Thomas Mueller
I wonder why Michael can't manually unsubscribe list members who want to leave.
While the Arachne list is helpful for information on Arachne and some other
subjects, I don't think we want to hold people hostage who want out.