Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2003-01-03 Thread Ron Clarke
Hi Folks, Florian,

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:30:09 +0100, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at
>> www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in
>> JavaScript.  Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to
>> me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not
>> be able to communicate fully back to the counter script.

> There are two ways...one with and one without javascript.

Apparently not.

I asked the question of their forum, and got this reply:



User "Admin" writes:

Hi Ron,

The counter value is only visible to browsers that support JS, but 
visitors without are counted as well:

There is no way to have the Textcounter.org counter value displayed as 
image.

Christopher

=

   I shall let my subscription quietly die.


Regards,
Ron

Ron Clarke
http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
http://tadpole.aus.as
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What's important for Arachne's future?

2003-01-02 Thread Richard Menedetter
Hi Sam!

01 Jan 2003, "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >> Sam ... you know that there are many OSes which support programs
 >> which support JS and SSL ??
 SE> I suppose I could attempt the Linux learning curve
There has been much done by various distributors.
As long as you don't want to do much more than a regular windows user, Linux is
now as easy to use and install.

Naturally if somebody wants to use a mini distribution on a 4 MB 386 than there
is much hand work included.

 SE> So in the realm of the ordainary user there isn't much choice.
There is.
A friend of mine, who has never used linux before and is was an average windows
user, installed Redhat 8 without any help.
(afterwards he told me that there was one bluescreen too many :)

 SE> My computer needs are simple. I just send email and surf the web.
 SE> I could do this with Linux after study, learning, experimentation and
 SE> head scratching.
times have changed :)

 SE> but installation and configuration leave me cold as a pastime.
all modern and bigger distributions come with graphical installers, and
hardware auto configuration.

 SE> By the way, I do enjoy your postings to the list.
 SE> They are always informative and well reasoned.
thanx very much

 SE> Maybe I'll make Linux my New Year's project. I keep trying to decide
 SE> what to do with the new  used computer I bought six months ago. It's
 SE> sitting on a table with Win 95 and 98 CD's, a RedHat CD and the
 SE> install disks for DR-DOS 6.00. I can't make up my mind.
If you have a bit time try redhat first, if you don't like it, go with winXX
(depending on memory < 64 MB win95, >=64 MB win98)
if your HDD is big enough you can easily dual boot. (first install windows in a
partition, than install linux in the remaining free space. The linux installer
notices windows, and should automatically configure dual boot.)

 SE> Maybe it's time to throw out the old boot loader and fire up a
 SE> real OS!!
:))

win95/98 only partly fall into this category :)
if you have >=128 MB ram, you can try dualbooting win2000 (only real OS from M$
except NT [XP is also a toy ... which does not qualify as OS :)]) and Linux.

 SE> Sam Ewalt

CU, Ricsi

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Re: What's important for Arachne's future?

2003-01-02 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:48:00 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) wrote:

> Sam ... you know that there are many OSes which support programs which support
> JS and SSL ??

> So why starting Windows ?


I suppose I could attempt the Linux learning curve--which would be the
logical choice if I was energetic and virtuous, but I am lazy and
Windows is the road of least resistance and "everybody" else that I
know personally use nothing but Windows.

So in the realm of the ordainary user there isn't much choice. 

My computer needs are simple. I just send email and surf the web.
That's all. I could do this in DOS with Arachne improvments. I could
this with Windows without much trouble. I could do this with Linux
after study, learning, experimentation and head scratching.

I like DOS because of it's relative simplicity and because I already
know enough to use it. This is just inertia on my part, not a logical
decision.

I don't care much about computer in themselves. I do admire the
quirky charm of the Unix culture as I've read about it, but installation
and configuration leave me cold as a pastime.

By the way, I do enjoy your postings to the list. They are always
informative and well reasoned.

Maybe I'll make Linux my New Year's project. I keep trying to decide
what to do with the new  used computer I bought six months ago. It's
sitting on a table with Win 95 and 98 CD's, a RedHat CD and the install
disks for DR-DOS 6.00. I can't make up my mind.

Maybe it's time to throw out the old boot loader and fire up a
real OS!!







Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
-- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/




Re: What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-31 Thread Steve
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Richard Menedetter wrote:
> 26 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  BF> The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never
>  BF> caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail
>  BF> animal.
> hmmm ... as long as OS != Windows this is no problem

  Mac version of OE has also had some minor vulnerabilities 
to certain of the Word Macros, etc.
 
>  BF> WORD documents
> Shoot anybody sending you word stuff.

  I was rather dismayed today when I discovered this:

$ file Huehue_label.sdw
Huehue_label.sdw: Microsoft Office Document

  Argh!  Star Office document type is seen as M$ Office ?!?!?

>  BF> For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based
>  BF> software supplied by the bank.
> Change the bank.
> My bank uses only standards conpatible stuff.

  I can do my banking via Netscape 4.79 or Mozilla 1.0, 
though I can actually even transfer funds from paypal to the 
bank using NS 3.04.

  Until last night (I thought) I had to do UPS shipping 
label printing via Netscape 4.79.  Last time I tried 
Mozilla, I got an error message that I was using an 
usupported browser.
  This e-mail prompted me to try Mozilla again, and UPS has 
become Mozilla friendly in the meantime.  :-)

  I have still never found a single thing for which I "need" 
Windows... 

-- 
Steve Ackman
http://twoloonscoffee.com   (Need green beans?)
http://twovoyagers.com  (glass, linux & other stuff)





Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-31 Thread Steve
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

> Without a textcolor defined, Arachne uses white by default.
> 
> We can't see the text because the particular cell within the table
> containing this text has a background color which is also white.
> 
> 
> 
> I will look into fixing this for the next version.

  If textcolor not exist
  then textcolor == (bgcolor - 88) ?

  Ok, so my pseudocode semantics might not be the greatest, 
but I would think that should do the trick... it works on 
the limited number of colors I just tried, anyway... or 
would it be easier to EOR the background color?

-- 
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http://twovoyagers.com  (glass, linux & other stuff)




Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-31 Thread flox
I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at
www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in
JavaScript.  Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to
me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not
be able to communicate fully back to the counter script.


There are two ways...one with and one without javascript.

bye, flox
--
Florian Xaver
http://www.drdos.org
unofficial dr-dos site
http://www.flox.at.tf/
dos page - ogg/mp3 page for dos
kurt ostbahn & die kombo page




Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-30 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:21:20 -0500 (EST), Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Ron Clarke wrote:

>>As an example:
>>http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm
>> did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so
>> it isn't javascript per se in this instance.

> Nope, it's not JS, since it displays fine in lynx, links,
> and dillo.  I'm not sure why Arachne can't display it.

Clipped from the above page.



Notice what's missing ???

text="what_color"

Without a textcolor defined, Arachne uses white by default.

We can't see the text because the particular cell within the table
containing this text has a background color which is also white.



I will look into fixing this for the next version.

-- 
 Glenn
 http://arachne.cz/
 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
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Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-30 Thread Steve
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Ron Clarke wrote:

>As an example:
>http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm
> did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so
> it isn't javascript per se in this instance.

  Nope, it's not JS, since it displays fine in lynx, links, 
and dillo.  I'm not sure why Arachne can't display it.
 
-- 
Steve Ackman
http://twoloonscoffee.com   (Need green beans?)
http://twovoyagers.com  (glass, linux & other stuff)




Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-30 Thread Ron Clarke
Hi Folks, Florian,

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:25:58 +0100, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage!
> Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to
> detect Arachne for such a service?

I rather doubt it.

I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at
www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in
JavaScript.  Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to
me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not
be able to communicate fully back to the counter script.

I am starting to be convinced that javascript would have to be the
most pressing need for the future development of Arachne.
Glenn's On/Off switch is a step in the right direction, but I am
finding more and more websites where I cannot even read news stories
because the text is either called, or even displayed, by javascript.

   As an example:
   http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm
did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so
it isn't javascript per se in this instance.

   To get to this story I had to extract the actual text and save it to
another file. Arachne couldn't display it.:(

Regards,
 Ron

Ron Clarke
http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
http://tadpole.aus.as
-- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/



Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-30 Thread Steve
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, flox wrote:

> btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage! 
> Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to 
> detect Arachne for such a service?

  You would have to get the textcounter.org people to list 
it.  Arachne certainly identifies itself in the server logs:

127.0.0.1 - - [30/Dec/2002:16:41:35 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 647 "-" 
"xChaos_Arachne/4.1.66;beta (Linux i386; GGI; 800x600,HiColor; www.arachne.cz)"

-- 
Steve Ackman
http://twoloonscoffee.com   (Need green beans?)
http://twovoyagers.com  (glass, linux & other stuff)




New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-30 Thread Richard Menedetter
Hi flox!

30 Dec 2002, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >> And IMHO arachne has already veeery limited JS support built
 >> into her.
 f> Which?

OK ... I was wrong ... it seems that the JavaScript engine is not yet included
in the mainline arachne package. (I just remembered that I have read it
somewhere ... I don't use her regularly.

=== Begin file ===
 > 1.70 stable for DOS (CSS release)
 > 
 >
 > Release date: 21th January 2001
 > Improvements:
 > Experimental Cascading Style Sheets (CSS-1) implementation - see
 > examples/css.htm (, 

Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-30 Thread flox
 GF> 1.  Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
 GF> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled.
this is not possible.
JS mainly alters browser specific stuff.
This is not possible from outside the browser.
And IMHO arachne has already veeery limited JS support built into her.


Which?

btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage! 
Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to 
detect Arachne for such a service?


 GF> 2.  SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
 GF> the same way as .JPGs, etc.
I vote for being built into.
Shelling out is MISERABLY slow.


No problem for a DJGPP Arachne-"kernel"!

bye and happy new year!
flox
--
Florian Xaver
http://www.drdos.org
unofficial dr-dos site
http://www.flox.at.tf/
dos page - ogg/mp3 page for dos
kurt ostbahn & die kombo page




What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-30 Thread Richard Menedetter
Hi Sam!

26 Dec 2002, "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 SE> I don't use Windows myself-- although I may start any day now because
 SE> of Javascript and secure transactions on the web.
Sam ... you know that there are many OSes which support programs which support
JS and SSL ??

So why starting Windows ?

 SE> Sam Ewalt
 SE> Croswell, Michigan, USA

CU, Ricsi

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New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-30 Thread Richard Menedetter
Hi G!

26 Dec 2002, "G J Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 GF> 1.  Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
 GF> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled.
this is not possible.
JS mainly alters browser specific stuff.
This is not possible from outside the browser.
And IMHO arachne has already veeery limited JS support built into her.

 GF> 2.  SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
 GF> the same way as .JPGs, etc.
I vote for being built into.
Shelling out is MISERABLY slow.
Why even further reduce her speed ?

I would like to see a port of the source which is GCC compatible (gcc and
djgpp) and uses a non proprietary open output library.

One could than make smaller executables, which for example have no SSL support,
but are smaller.

 GF> ..gregy

CU, Ricsi

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What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-30 Thread Richard Menedetter
Hi Bastiaan!

26 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 BF> Old computer users laugh at you... DOS is very obsolete to them
this is true ... isn't it ?

 BF> Just a handfull of experienced users are using DOS...
Hmmm ... IMNSHO experienced users with 486+ are too limited by DOS to use it.
The only market I see are old computers -486 and die hard DOS users who started
long ago, and are too lazy to use a real OS instead of a boot loader.

 BF> The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never
 BF> caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail
 BF> animal.
hmmm ... as long as OS != Windows this is no problem

 BF> So would it be possible to have two or more operating systems
 BF> installed on one computer?
sure

 BF> And if possible... how to do this?
install the other OS than install windows in another partition.
NT/XP comes with its own bootloader (which happily loads linux or any other OS
if told in the boot.sys file or what it is called)

 BF> WORD documents
Shoot anybody sending you word stuff.

 BF> For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based
 BF> software supplied by the bank.
Change the bank.
My bank uses only standards conpatible stuff.
SSL and in times of the idiotic 40 bit crypto limitation a JAVA applet that did
its own crypto before the ridicuolous 40 bit SSL crypto.
Worked and works well with any OS supporting a SSL enabled browser.

 BF> CU all... Bastiaan

 BF> X-mas day: the only one day of the year without agressive language of
 BF> George W. Bush
I hope everyday were christmas !

CU, Ricsi

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Re: What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-29 Thread Thomas Mueller
> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
> important for Arachne's future development?

> Sam Ewalt
> Croswell, Michigan, USA

My first thoughts on this subject are Javascript and https.  Lynx now supports
https, and this includes the DOS port.  With Arachne being released to open
source, there should be no license restrictions on incorporating OpenSSL.

If Arachne is released to GPL, why would there be any license restrictions
regarding porting to gcc and DJGPP, and to an HTML library possibly using
Allegro graphics library?



Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-27 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:51:51 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:59:44 -0700, G J Feig wrote:

>>> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
>>> important for Arachne's future development?

>> 1.  Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
>> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled.  I mention this first because
>> lots of so-called "secure sites" REALLY depend upon JS to get you
>> into the SSL part.

>> 2.  SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
>> the same way as .JPGs, etc.

> I agree  completely with this. Having Javascript and SSL capability
> would make Arachne truly useful for everyday use. I wouldn't need
> anything else.

DosLynx has proven that SSL is "doable".

JS is of-coarse going to be much more difficult.

Can I please ask for a favor from everyone?

Start sending URLs to me of sites you have found where
JS is an absolute necessity.

Re: we can-not get access some portion of (any portion of),
the site in question without a JS enabled browser.

I will then attempt to identify exactly which JS functions
we can-not live without.

If it turns-out to be simply a matter of Javascript links on some pages.
It should be rather easy to create a JsLink2HttpLink converter.

As an example how easy some things CAN be

The code required for Https2Http was all of 9 lines of code.
Actually... Https2Http is 2 lines added to urlstat.c
(1 additional line in urlstat.c (with brackets around the first 2 lines),
1 line in internet.h and 5 lines in config.c are simply needed so that
it can be turned on and off via 'Https2Http Yes/No' in arachne.cfg)

To do it without the option of turning it on and off requires only
the original 2 line addition to urlstat.c

//!!glennmcc: begin Dec 09, 2001
// added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead
  if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"https"))
  strcpy(url->protocol,"http");
//!!glennmcc: end

--- added to urlstat.c ---
//!!glennmcc: begin Dec 09, 2001
// added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead
//!!glennmcc: begin Dec 11, 2001 made it configurable y/n
if(http_parameters.https2http)
{
  if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"https"))
  strcpy(url->protocol,"http");
}
//!!glennmcc: end
__

--- added to internet.h ---
//!!glennmcc: begin Dec 11, 2001 made Https2Http configurable y/n
// added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead
 char https2http;
//!!glennmcc: end
___

--- added to config.c ---
//!!glennmcc: begin Dec 11, 2001
// added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead
// (defaults to No if "HTTPS2HTTP Yes" line is not in Arachne.cfg)
 value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"HTTPS2HTTP",NULL);
 if(value && toupper(*value=='Y'))
  http_parameters.https2http=1;
 else
  http_parameters.https2http=0;
//!!glennmcc: end
_

And as you can see from my comments way back over a year ago.
The added advantage of being able to access some Https sites such as
mail.yahoo.com and my.yahoo.com is actually an 'after effect' of the
original reason for making this change. 

The original reason was simply to stop the 'loop' created by image
tags such as this. https://mystuff.com/images/image1.gif";>

-- 
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 http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
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Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-27 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:59:44 -0700, G J Feig wrote:


>> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
>> important for Arachne's future development?

> 1.  Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled.  I mention this first because
> lots of so-called "secure sites" REALLY depend upon JS to get you
> into the SSL part.

> 2.  SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
> the same way as .JPGs, etc.


I agree  completely with this. Having Javascript and SSL capability
would make Arachne truly useful for everyday use. I wouldn't need
anything else.






Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
-- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/




Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")

2002-12-26 Thread G J Feig
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bob, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't use Windows myself--
> although I may start any day now because of Javascript and secure
> transactions on the web.

> I'd prefer to just keep using DOS. If Glenn and his helpers can
> cram a little more functionality into Arachne we'll all be happy
> campers.

> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
> important for Arachne's future development?

1.  Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
the same way .JPGs, etc are handled.  I mention this first because
lots of so-called "secure sites" REALLY depend upon JS to get you
into the SSL part.

2.  SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
the same way as .JPGs, etc.

3.  Personally, I do NOT want lots more "on-line" capabilities, such
as "streaming-video" (aka "screaming-vidiotico") and such.  These
things can be handled by downloading a file, and shelling out to use
an Arachne add-on.  This keeps basic Arachne compatible/useable with
the "legacy" systems (even if "legacy" means whinge-doze something,
the SYSTEM may not have all the latest/greatest hardware, or the
original hardware may have burnt=out, been pulled, etc.)

4.  h...I'll think of more, I'm sure.

..gregy


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Re: What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-26 Thread Steve
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, flox wrote:

> > So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
> > important for Arachne's future development?
> 
> I would say: Porting it to DJGPP!

  And I would say:  Porting it to gcc !!!  ;-)
 
> btw: There is a Linux version of Arachne. So, i think it will compile 
> with GCC => Porting to DJGPP shouldn't be that problem.

  The source tree has apparently only been ported to gcc as 
far as 1.66.  After that, nothing.

-- 
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http://twoloonscoffee.com   (Need green beans?)
http://twovoyagers.com  (glass, linux & other stuff)




Re: What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-26 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 05:36:50 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:

> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
> important for Arachne's future development?

IMHO the most important issue for Arachne's future is to make (or keep)
her attractive to new users and that is not an easy task ;-(

New computer users don't even know the word DOS...
Old computer users laugh at you... DOS is very obsolete to them
Just a handfull of experienced users are using DOS... not even 
on a regular base.

The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never
caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail animal.
"How do you do this?" they ask "You don't even use a virus scanner..."

A very serious problem, becomming more serious every day, is the use of
Win XP that makes it impossible to use DOS anymore.

So would it be possible to have two or more operating systems installed
on one computer? And if possible... how to do this?
And very important: how to explain this to a windozer!

*
WORD documents

For word-documents I have used several viewers and best of all I like
'view.exe'. But there is a problem with all those DOS viewers... people
are sending (more and more lately) word documents with images included.
Those images are lost with DOS-viewers... you don't even know they were
there ( an indication may be the large file-size ).

**
PDF

Viewing PDF with Arachne is possible using GohstScript, GS.
However GS does not convert all types (versions) of PDF and is not easy
to install... nearly impossible to install for non experienced users.

I often needed the help of this list to get GS running (thanks for your
help Joerg)... installing the latest GS was not a succes :-(

**
For e-mail I always use Arachne and with 1.71UE we are going to a ver-
sion that is easy to handle and free of the last remaining bugs.

For web-browsing I always first try Arachne... about 50% succes,
decreasing ;-((
Most common problems: java script and bloat features like 'flash'.
  (I don't know what 'flash' is...)

For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based
software supplied by the bank.

CU all... Bastiaan

X-mas day: the only one day of the year without agressive language of 
George W. Bush



Re: What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-26 Thread flox
Hi!


So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
important for Arachne's future development?


I would say: Porting it to DJGPP!

btw: There is a Linux version of Arachne. So, i think it will compile 
with GCC => Porting to DJGPP shouldn't be that problem.
And...if it is avaiable for DJGPP...then a HTML-Library (which renders 
the pages and save it into a bitmap f.e. using Allegro) would be very 
good, so that other programm could use it (f.e. a graphical help-viewer 
could be made for FreeDOS).

But i think, this won't be the future, because of the license :-(

just dreaming... :-)

bye, flox
--
Florian Xaver
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http://www.flox.at.tf/
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What's important for Arachne's future?

2002-12-26 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:25:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> So, while you're correct about what is now considered 'legacy-ware',
> there also remains a need for a program that only requires DOS to boot
> up. If it's possible to keep the DOS and also be compatible with
> Win-doze, then I'm still happy. If it's one OR the other, I would vote to
> "close the window" and stick with the (legally) free stuff.


Bob, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't use Windows myself--
although I may start any day now because of Javascript and secure
transactions on the web.

I'd prefer to just keep using DOS. If Glenn and his helpers can
cram a little more functionality into Arachne we'll all be happy
campers.

So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most
important for Arachne's future development?






Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
-- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/