Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
Hi Folks, Florian, On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:30:09 +0100, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at >> www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in >> JavaScript. Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to >> me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not >> be able to communicate fully back to the counter script. > There are two ways...one with and one without javascript. Apparently not. I asked the question of their forum, and got this reply: User "Admin" writes: Hi Ron, The counter value is only visible to browsers that support JS, but visitors without are counted as well: There is no way to have the Textcounter.org counter value displayed as image. Christopher = I shall let my subscription quietly die. Regards, Ron Ron Clarke http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html http://tadpole.aus.as -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
What's important for Arachne's future?
Hi Sam! 01 Jan 2003, "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam ... you know that there are many OSes which support programs >> which support JS and SSL ?? SE> I suppose I could attempt the Linux learning curve There has been much done by various distributors. As long as you don't want to do much more than a regular windows user, Linux is now as easy to use and install. Naturally if somebody wants to use a mini distribution on a 4 MB 386 than there is much hand work included. SE> So in the realm of the ordainary user there isn't much choice. There is. A friend of mine, who has never used linux before and is was an average windows user, installed Redhat 8 without any help. (afterwards he told me that there was one bluescreen too many :) SE> My computer needs are simple. I just send email and surf the web. SE> I could do this with Linux after study, learning, experimentation and SE> head scratching. times have changed :) SE> but installation and configuration leave me cold as a pastime. all modern and bigger distributions come with graphical installers, and hardware auto configuration. SE> By the way, I do enjoy your postings to the list. SE> They are always informative and well reasoned. thanx very much SE> Maybe I'll make Linux my New Year's project. I keep trying to decide SE> what to do with the new used computer I bought six months ago. It's SE> sitting on a table with Win 95 and 98 CD's, a RedHat CD and the SE> install disks for DR-DOS 6.00. I can't make up my mind. If you have a bit time try redhat first, if you don't like it, go with winXX (depending on memory < 64 MB win95, >=64 MB win98) if your HDD is big enough you can easily dual boot. (first install windows in a partition, than install linux in the remaining free space. The linux installer notices windows, and should automatically configure dual boot.) SE> Maybe it's time to throw out the old boot loader and fire up a SE> real OS!! :)) win95/98 only partly fall into this category :) if you have >=128 MB ram, you can try dualbooting win2000 (only real OS from M$ except NT [XP is also a toy ... which does not qualify as OS :)]) and Linux. SE> Sam Ewalt CU, Ricsi -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> Best file compressor around: DEL *.* <=-
Re: What's important for Arachne's future?
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:48:00 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) wrote: > Sam ... you know that there are many OSes which support programs which support > JS and SSL ?? > So why starting Windows ? I suppose I could attempt the Linux learning curve--which would be the logical choice if I was energetic and virtuous, but I am lazy and Windows is the road of least resistance and "everybody" else that I know personally use nothing but Windows. So in the realm of the ordainary user there isn't much choice. My computer needs are simple. I just send email and surf the web. That's all. I could do this in DOS with Arachne improvments. I could this with Windows without much trouble. I could do this with Linux after study, learning, experimentation and head scratching. I like DOS because of it's relative simplicity and because I already know enough to use it. This is just inertia on my part, not a logical decision. I don't care much about computer in themselves. I do admire the quirky charm of the Unix culture as I've read about it, but installation and configuration leave me cold as a pastime. By the way, I do enjoy your postings to the list. They are always informative and well reasoned. Maybe I'll make Linux my New Year's project. I keep trying to decide what to do with the new used computer I bought six months ago. It's sitting on a table with Win 95 and 98 CD's, a RedHat CD and the install disks for DR-DOS 6.00. I can't make up my mind. Maybe it's time to throw out the old boot loader and fire up a real OS!! Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
Re: What's important for Arachne's future?
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Richard Menedetter wrote: > 26 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BF> The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never > BF> caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail > BF> animal. > hmmm ... as long as OS != Windows this is no problem Mac version of OE has also had some minor vulnerabilities to certain of the Word Macros, etc. > BF> WORD documents > Shoot anybody sending you word stuff. I was rather dismayed today when I discovered this: $ file Huehue_label.sdw Huehue_label.sdw: Microsoft Office Document Argh! Star Office document type is seen as M$ Office ?!?!? > BF> For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based > BF> software supplied by the bank. > Change the bank. > My bank uses only standards conpatible stuff. I can do my banking via Netscape 4.79 or Mozilla 1.0, though I can actually even transfer funds from paypal to the bank using NS 3.04. Until last night (I thought) I had to do UPS shipping label printing via Netscape 4.79. Last time I tried Mozilla, I got an error message that I was using an usupported browser. This e-mail prompted me to try Mozilla again, and UPS has become Mozilla friendly in the meantime. :-) I have still never found a single thing for which I "need" Windows... -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff)
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > Without a textcolor defined, Arachne uses white by default. > > We can't see the text because the particular cell within the table > containing this text has a background color which is also white. > > > > I will look into fixing this for the next version. If textcolor not exist then textcolor == (bgcolor - 88) ? Ok, so my pseudocode semantics might not be the greatest, but I would think that should do the trick... it works on the limited number of colors I just tried, anyway... or would it be easier to EOR the background color? -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff)
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in JavaScript. Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not be able to communicate fully back to the counter script. There are two ways...one with and one without javascript. bye, flox -- Florian Xaver http://www.drdos.org unofficial dr-dos site http://www.flox.at.tf/ dos page - ogg/mp3 page for dos kurt ostbahn & die kombo page
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:21:20 -0500 (EST), Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Ron Clarke wrote: >>As an example: >>http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm >> did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so >> it isn't javascript per se in this instance. > Nope, it's not JS, since it displays fine in lynx, links, > and dillo. I'm not sure why Arachne can't display it. Clipped from the above page. Notice what's missing ??? text="what_color" Without a textcolor defined, Arachne uses white by default. We can't see the text because the particular cell within the table containing this text has a background color which is also white. I will look into fixing this for the next version. -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Ron Clarke wrote: >As an example: >http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm > did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so > it isn't javascript per se in this instance. Nope, it's not JS, since it displays fine in lynx, links, and dillo. I'm not sure why Arachne can't display it. -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff)
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
Hi Folks, Florian, On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:25:58 +0100, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage! > Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to > detect Arachne for such a service? I rather doubt it. I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in JavaScript. Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not be able to communicate fully back to the counter script. I am starting to be convinced that javascript would have to be the most pressing need for the future development of Arachne. Glenn's On/Off switch is a step in the right direction, but I am finding more and more websites where I cannot even read news stories because the text is either called, or even displayed, by javascript. As an example: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so it isn't javascript per se in this instance. To get to this story I had to extract the actual text and save it to another file. Arachne couldn't display it.:( Regards, Ron Ron Clarke http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html http://tadpole.aus.as -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, flox wrote: > btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage! > Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to > detect Arachne for such a service? You would have to get the textcounter.org people to list it. Arachne certainly identifies itself in the server logs: 127.0.0.1 - - [30/Dec/2002:16:41:35 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 647 "-" "xChaos_Arachne/4.1.66;beta (Linux i386; GGI; 800x600,HiColor; www.arachne.cz)" -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff)
New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
Hi flox! 30 Dec 2002, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And IMHO arachne has already veeery limited JS support built >> into her. f> Which? OK ... I was wrong ... it seems that the JavaScript engine is not yet included in the mainline arachne package. (I just remembered that I have read it somewhere ... I don't use her regularly. === Begin file === > 1.70 stable for DOS (CSS release) > > > Release date: 21th January 2001 > Improvements: > Experimental Cascading Style Sheets (CSS-1) implementation - see > examples/css.htm (,
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
GF> 1. Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled GF> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled. this is not possible. JS mainly alters browser specific stuff. This is not possible from outside the browser. And IMHO arachne has already veeery limited JS support built into her. Which? btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage! Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to detect Arachne for such a service? GF> 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled GF> the same way as .JPGs, etc. I vote for being built into. Shelling out is MISERABLY slow. No problem for a DJGPP Arachne-"kernel"! bye and happy new year! flox -- Florian Xaver http://www.drdos.org unofficial dr-dos site http://www.flox.at.tf/ dos page - ogg/mp3 page for dos kurt ostbahn & die kombo page
What's important for Arachne's future?
Hi Sam! 26 Dec 2002, "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SE> I don't use Windows myself-- although I may start any day now because SE> of Javascript and secure transactions on the web. Sam ... you know that there are many OSes which support programs which support JS and SSL ?? So why starting Windows ? SE> Sam Ewalt SE> Croswell, Michigan, USA CU, Ricsi -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> Trek excuse#1: The Prime Directive clearly forbids it <=-
New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
Hi G! 26 Dec 2002, "G J Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: GF> 1. Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled GF> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled. this is not possible. JS mainly alters browser specific stuff. This is not possible from outside the browser. And IMHO arachne has already veeery limited JS support built into her. GF> 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled GF> the same way as .JPGs, etc. I vote for being built into. Shelling out is MISERABLY slow. Why even further reduce her speed ? I would like to see a port of the source which is GCC compatible (gcc and djgpp) and uses a non proprietary open output library. One could than make smaller executables, which for example have no SSL support, but are smaller. GF> ..gregy CU, Ricsi -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> Advice is a dangerous gift <=-
What's important for Arachne's future?
Hi Bastiaan! 26 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BF> Old computer users laugh at you... DOS is very obsolete to them this is true ... isn't it ? BF> Just a handfull of experienced users are using DOS... Hmmm ... IMNSHO experienced users with 486+ are too limited by DOS to use it. The only market I see are old computers -486 and die hard DOS users who started long ago, and are too lazy to use a real OS instead of a boot loader. BF> The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never BF> caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail BF> animal. hmmm ... as long as OS != Windows this is no problem BF> So would it be possible to have two or more operating systems BF> installed on one computer? sure BF> And if possible... how to do this? install the other OS than install windows in another partition. NT/XP comes with its own bootloader (which happily loads linux or any other OS if told in the boot.sys file or what it is called) BF> WORD documents Shoot anybody sending you word stuff. BF> For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based BF> software supplied by the bank. Change the bank. My bank uses only standards conpatible stuff. SSL and in times of the idiotic 40 bit crypto limitation a JAVA applet that did its own crypto before the ridicuolous 40 bit SSL crypto. Worked and works well with any OS supporting a SSL enabled browser. BF> CU all... Bastiaan BF> X-mas day: the only one day of the year without agressive language of BF> George W. Bush I hope everyday were christmas ! CU, Ricsi -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> Applied emotion is the key to success with happiness <=-
Re: What's important for Arachne's future?
> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most > important for Arachne's future development? > Sam Ewalt > Croswell, Michigan, USA My first thoughts on this subject are Javascript and https. Lynx now supports https, and this includes the DOS port. With Arachne being released to open source, there should be no license restrictions on incorporating OpenSSL. If Arachne is released to GPL, why would there be any license restrictions regarding porting to gcc and DJGPP, and to an HTML library possibly using Allegro graphics library?
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:51:51 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:59:44 -0700, G J Feig wrote: >>> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most >>> important for Arachne's future development? >> 1. Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled >> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled. I mention this first because >> lots of so-called "secure sites" REALLY depend upon JS to get you >> into the SSL part. >> 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled >> the same way as .JPGs, etc. > I agree completely with this. Having Javascript and SSL capability > would make Arachne truly useful for everyday use. I wouldn't need > anything else. DosLynx has proven that SSL is "doable". JS is of-coarse going to be much more difficult. Can I please ask for a favor from everyone? Start sending URLs to me of sites you have found where JS is an absolute necessity. Re: we can-not get access some portion of (any portion of), the site in question without a JS enabled browser. I will then attempt to identify exactly which JS functions we can-not live without. If it turns-out to be simply a matter of Javascript links on some pages. It should be rather easy to create a JsLink2HttpLink converter. As an example how easy some things CAN be The code required for Https2Http was all of 9 lines of code. Actually... Https2Http is 2 lines added to urlstat.c (1 additional line in urlstat.c (with brackets around the first 2 lines), 1 line in internet.h and 5 lines in config.c are simply needed so that it can be turned on and off via 'Https2Http Yes/No' in arachne.cfg) To do it without the option of turning it on and off requires only the original 2 line addition to urlstat.c //!!glennmcc: begin Dec 09, 2001 // added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"https")) strcpy(url->protocol,"http"); //!!glennmcc: end --- added to urlstat.c --- //!!glennmcc: begin Dec 09, 2001 // added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead //!!glennmcc: begin Dec 11, 2001 made it configurable y/n if(http_parameters.https2http) { if(!strcmpi(url->protocol,"https")) strcpy(url->protocol,"http"); } //!!glennmcc: end __ --- added to internet.h --- //!!glennmcc: begin Dec 11, 2001 made Https2Http configurable y/n // added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead char https2http; //!!glennmcc: end ___ --- added to config.c --- //!!glennmcc: begin Dec 11, 2001 // added to fix "HTTPS verifying images" loop by trying HTTP instead // (defaults to No if "HTTPS2HTTP Yes" line is not in Arachne.cfg) value=configvariable(&ARACHNEcfg,"HTTPS2HTTP",NULL); if(value && toupper(*value=='Y')) http_parameters.https2http=1; else http_parameters.https2http=0; //!!glennmcc: end _ And as you can see from my comments way back over a year ago. The added advantage of being able to access some Https sites such as mail.yahoo.com and my.yahoo.com is actually an 'after effect' of the original reason for making this change. The original reason was simply to stop the 'loop' created by image tags such as this. https://mystuff.com/images/image1.gif";> -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:59:44 -0700, G J Feig wrote: >> So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most >> important for Arachne's future development? > 1. Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled > the same way .JPGs, etc are handled. I mention this first because > lots of so-called "secure sites" REALLY depend upon JS to get you > into the SSL part. > 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled > the same way as .JPGs, etc. I agree completely with this. Having Javascript and SSL capability would make Arachne truly useful for everyday use. I wouldn't need anything else. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't use Windows myself-- > although I may start any day now because of Javascript and secure > transactions on the web. > I'd prefer to just keep using DOS. If Glenn and his helpers can > cram a little more functionality into Arachne we'll all be happy > campers. > So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most > important for Arachne's future development? 1. Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled the same way .JPGs, etc are handled. I mention this first because lots of so-called "secure sites" REALLY depend upon JS to get you into the SSL part. 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled the same way as .JPGs, etc. 3. Personally, I do NOT want lots more "on-line" capabilities, such as "streaming-video" (aka "screaming-vidiotico") and such. These things can be handled by downloading a file, and shelling out to use an Arachne add-on. This keeps basic Arachne compatible/useable with the "legacy" systems (even if "legacy" means whinge-doze something, the SYSTEM may not have all the latest/greatest hardware, or the original hardware may have burnt=out, been pulled, etc.) 4. h...I'll think of more, I'm sure. ..gregy -- This mail was sent by a user of Arachne - The Ultimate Internet Client
Re: What's important for Arachne's future?
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, flox wrote: > > So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most > > important for Arachne's future development? > > I would say: Porting it to DJGPP! And I would say: Porting it to gcc !!! ;-) > btw: There is a Linux version of Arachne. So, i think it will compile > with GCC => Porting to DJGPP shouldn't be that problem. The source tree has apparently only been ported to gcc as far as 1.66. After that, nothing. -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff)
Re: What's important for Arachne's future?
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 05:36:50 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most > important for Arachne's future development? IMHO the most important issue for Arachne's future is to make (or keep) her attractive to new users and that is not an easy task ;-( New computer users don't even know the word DOS... Old computer users laugh at you... DOS is very obsolete to them Just a handfull of experienced users are using DOS... not even on a regular base. The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail animal. "How do you do this?" they ask "You don't even use a virus scanner..." A very serious problem, becomming more serious every day, is the use of Win XP that makes it impossible to use DOS anymore. So would it be possible to have two or more operating systems installed on one computer? And if possible... how to do this? And very important: how to explain this to a windozer! * WORD documents For word-documents I have used several viewers and best of all I like 'view.exe'. But there is a problem with all those DOS viewers... people are sending (more and more lately) word documents with images included. Those images are lost with DOS-viewers... you don't even know they were there ( an indication may be the large file-size ). ** PDF Viewing PDF with Arachne is possible using GohstScript, GS. However GS does not convert all types (versions) of PDF and is not easy to install... nearly impossible to install for non experienced users. I often needed the help of this list to get GS running (thanks for your help Joerg)... installing the latest GS was not a succes :-( ** For e-mail I always use Arachne and with 1.71UE we are going to a ver- sion that is easy to handle and free of the last remaining bugs. For web-browsing I always first try Arachne... about 50% succes, decreasing ;-(( Most common problems: java script and bloat features like 'flash'. (I don't know what 'flash' is...) For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based software supplied by the bank. CU all... Bastiaan X-mas day: the only one day of the year without agressive language of George W. Bush
Re: What's important for Arachne's future?
Hi! So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most important for Arachne's future development? I would say: Porting it to DJGPP! btw: There is a Linux version of Arachne. So, i think it will compile with GCC => Porting to DJGPP shouldn't be that problem. And...if it is avaiable for DJGPP...then a HTML-Library (which renders the pages and save it into a bitmap f.e. using Allegro) would be very good, so that other programm could use it (f.e. a graphical help-viewer could be made for FreeDOS). But i think, this won't be the future, because of the license :-( just dreaming... :-) bye, flox -- Florian Xaver http://www.drdos.org unofficial dr-dos site http://www.flox.at.tf/ dos page - ogg/mp3 page for dos kurt ostbahn & die kombo page
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On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:25:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So, while you're correct about what is now considered 'legacy-ware', > there also remains a need for a program that only requires DOS to boot > up. If it's possible to keep the DOS and also be compatible with > Win-doze, then I'm still happy. If it's one OR the other, I would vote to > "close the window" and stick with the (legally) free stuff. Bob, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't use Windows myself-- although I may start any day now because of Javascript and secure transactions on the web. I'd prefer to just keep using DOS. If Glenn and his helpers can cram a little more functionality into Arachne we'll all be happy campers. So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most important for Arachne's future development? Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/