[arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Keith Hinton
Hi. I've recently seen threads on this list pertaining to interesting issues with the Arch Linux core isos. I haven't had that problem in my primary tests of those Isos in particular. Is there any reason why a successful installation may occur in one environment over another? Or is this a common

[arch-general] Fw: NDN: Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Keith Hinton
Hey guys, I wanted to forward this message. Has anyone ever gotten this? I get this consistently when posting messages to Arch-General, from the following email adddress. Hope someone can tel me why this happens-or talk to whomever owns Arch-general, and update it. Is this a problem with the

Re: [arch-general] Fw: NDN: Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Jan de Groot
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 05:04 -0400, Keith Hinton wrote: Hey guys, I wanted to forward this message. Has anyone ever gotten this? I get this consistently when posting messages to Arch-General, from the following email adddress. Hope someone can tel me why this happens-or talk to whomever owns

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Keith Hinton keithint1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I've recently seen threads on this list pertaining to interesting issues with the Arch Linux core isos. I haven't had that problem in my primary tests of those Isos in particular. Is there any reason why a

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:37:38PM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: Does anyone agree/disagree with my idea on the proper way to install Arch? :D Regards, --Keith I disagree. Some of us do not have fast/reliable internet connections, and would rather postpone the search for reliable download

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 18.05.2010 11:56, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: I agree (with Ng Oon-Ee). In one of the situations I work in the install is going through an http proxy that systematically corrupts some packages (always the same, IIRC perl, man-pages, and another one) Just a side remark: In my opinion,

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Matthew Monaco
On 05/18/2010 03:34 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 03:17 -0400, Keith Hinton wrote: Hi. I've recently seen threads on this list pertaining to interesting issues with the Arch Linux core isos. I haven't had that problem in my primary tests of those Isos in particular. Is there

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Allan McRae
On 18/05/10 21:21, Matthew Monaco wrote: On 05/18/2010 03:34 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 03:17 -0400, Keith Hinton wrote: Hi. I've recently seen threads on this list pertaining to interesting issues with the Arch Linux core isos. I haven't had that problem in my primary tests

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 18.05.2010 13:26, schrieb Allan McRae: What about the install scripts then? pacman -r (and -b) don't necessarily assure that the install scripts behave properly. Really... they should do. There are certain problems if you don't create $BASE/dev/null beforehand or bind-mount a

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread vlad
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 09:26:51PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: On 18/05/10 21:21, Matthew Monaco wrote: On 05/18/2010 03:34 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 03:17 -0400, Keith Hinton wrote: Hi. I've recently seen threads on this list pertaining to interesting issues with the Arch

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 18.05.2010 13:42, schrieb vlad: Though -r was set to /mnt/root the install script seems to update /etc/ssl/certs. I am not really sure if it actually applied to the new root /mnt/root or only to /etc/ssl. It was some time ago. I remember I reran /usr/sbin/update-ca-certificates --fresh

Re: [arch-general] pkg-proxy ?

2010-05-18 Thread Andre Osku Schmidt
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:35 PM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: On May 17, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Rogutės Sparnuotos rogu...@googlemail.co m wrote: Andre Osku Schmidt (2010-05-16 13:33): 2010/5/16

Re: [arch-general] pkg-proxy ?

2010-05-18 Thread Andre Osku Schmidt
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Wolfgang wol...@fsfe.org wrote: Hi, - not usable from arch installer. i assume i cant use it as proxy setting what is asked in the installer. but maybe i can somehow else use it from the installer? I'm doing something like this for a couple of centos

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Evangelos Foutras
On 17/05/10 22:24, Mauro Santos wrote: I have noticed that if I don't have radeon_ucode [1] installed then early or late KMS don't work and I get just a black screen. However I didn't wait 1 minute to check if after a while the boot process resumes. [1]

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 18.05.2010 16:06, schrieb Evangelos Foutras: In particular, notice Alex's reply stating: --8 In general, microcode is slowly being moved out of the kernel and into the Linux firmware tree:

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Evangelos Foutras
On 18/05/10 17:28, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 18.05.2010 16:06, schrieb Evangelos Foutras: In particular, notice Alex's reply stating: --8 In general, microcode is slowly being moved out of the kernel and into the Linux firmware

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 18.05.2010 17:26, schrieb Evangelos Foutras: I see your point. It seems that upstream kernel developers don't wish to ship firmware files, which is... not ideal for downstream (e.g. Arch). That is weird. Many other firmware files are being shipped with Linux and it would make sense here.

[arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wireless interface. I connect to the Internet via cable broadband with a wired Ethernet connection and DHCP... This id very reliable. I can usually disconnect the laptop from the Ethernet cable and bring it into the livingroom for various offline use.

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread Dan McGee
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wireless interface. I connect to the Internet via cable broadband with a wired Ethernet connection and DHCP... This id very reliable. I can usually disconnect the laptop

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread Rafael Correia
Man, I don't that's the point, but here I need to do this: ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 -- * R*afael *C*orreia 2010/5/18 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wireless interface. I connect to the Internet via cable broadband with a wired Ethernet

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On May 18, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Dan McGee dpmc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wireless interface. I connect to the Internet via cable broadband with a wired Ethernet connection and

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Andreas Radke
Am Tue, 18 May 2010 17:55:12 +0200 schrieb Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org: However, these firmware files are needed for R600/R700/Evergreen cards [1], therefore I see two options: 1) radeon_ucode [2] can be brought to [extra] and an announcement added to the front page informing

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Nezmer
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 04:28:43PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote: Am 18.05.2010 16:06, schrieb Evangelos Foutras: In particular, notice Alex's reply stating: --8 In general, microcode is slowly being moved out of the

[arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread David C. Rankin
Guys, I'm usually quite good at one-liners, but my simple ones no longer work in Arch. Same cli works fine in suse. What have I messed up? To wit: 15:10 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11 l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 david david 4096 May 18 15:04 . drwxr-xr-x 9 david dcr 4096 May 18 15:04 ..

Re: [arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 16:17, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Guys,        I'm usually quite good at one-liners, but my simple ones no longer work in Arch. Same cli works fine in suse. What have I messed up? To wit: In short, you're doing it wrong.

Re: [arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread Jeroen Op 't Eynde
On Tue, 18 May 2010 22:17:48 +0200, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: 15:10 nirvana:~/dt/compiz/compizX11 l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 6 david david 4096 May 18 15:04 . drwxr-xr-x 9 david dcr 4096 May 18 15:04 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 david david 4096 May 18 15:03 i586 drwxr-xr-x 2

Re: [arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread Linas
David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I'm usually quite good at one-liners, but my simple ones no longer work in Arch. Same cli works fine in suse. What have I messed up? To wit: What could keep the simple cli from working on Arch? I know this stuff worked before updates this

Re: [arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread Sergey Manucharian
Excerpts from Linas's message of Tue, 18 May 2010 22:31 +0200: David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I'm usually quite good at one-liners, but my simple ones no longer work in Arch. Same cli works fine in suse. What have I messed up? To wit: What could keep the simple cli from

Re: [arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Sergey Manucharian ingeniw...@gmail.com wrote: Excerpts from Linas's message of Tue, 18 May 2010 22:31 +0200: David C. Rankin wrote: Guys,     I'm usually quite good at one-liners, but my simple ones no longer work in Arch. Same cli works fine in suse.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Evangelos Foutras
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Nezmer a...@nezmer.info wrote: FYI, I had this discussion with the radeon guys months ago in IRC. Apparently, kernel guys (maybe Linus) decided to not add new firmware files to the kernel tree. That's why we have all those firmware packages for in-tree

Re: [arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread Samuel Martín Moro
you may want to try for i in $(`which ls` -d .) ; do `which ls` $(`which pwd`)/$i; done it does work here Samuel Martín Moro {EPITECH.} tek4 CamTrace S.A.S Nobody wants to say how this works. Maybe nobody knows ... Xorg.conf(5) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Aaron

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread woldra
On 2010-05-18 20:45, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wireless interface. I connect to the Internet via cable broadband with a wired Ethernet connection and DHCP... This id very reliable. I can usually disconnect the laptop from the Ethernet cable and

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread Kaiting Chen
Um should he just /etc/rc.d/network restart? That performs everything that happens when the network interface is brought up on system start. Kaiting. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM, wol...@fsfe.org wrote: On 2010-05-18 20:45, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Currently my pc is a laptop. I

[arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread Jan Steffens
I could make PulseAudio installation significantly easier by putting specially-built packages (e.g. sdl-pulse, openal-pulse) into [community] and grouping them in a pulse group. This group would also include a pulse-asoundrc package containing a pulse-configured asound.conf, as well as depending

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread woldra
Hi Um should he just /etc/rc.d/network restart? That performs everything that happens when the network interface is brought up on system start. sure you can do that, but why not let the little tool do that for you? A little automagic doesn't harm as long as you know whats going on;) Apart

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 05/18/10 18:25, Jan Steffens wrote: I could make PulseAudio installation significantly easier by putting specially-built packages (e.g. sdl-pulse, openal-pulse) into [community] and grouping them in a pulse group. This group would also include a pulse-asoundrc package containing a

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread Kaiting Chen
I see I've never heard of ifplugd but it looks like the best solution. What I was referring to was that /etc/rc.d/network restart is preferable to ifconfig in that it will start up dhcpcd for you. Kaiting. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, wol...@fsfe.org wrote: Hi Um should he just

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 18.05.2010 21:49, schrieb Nezmer: FYI, I had this discussion with the radeon guys months ago in IRC. Apparently, kernel guys (maybe Linus) decided to not add new firmware files to the kernel tree. That's why we have all those firmware packages for in-tree modules. So, they ship firmware

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 18:44 -0400, Isaac Dupree wrote: On 05/18/10 18:25, Jan Steffens wrote: I could make PulseAudio installation significantly easier by putting specially-built packages (e.g. sdl-pulse, openal-pulse) into [community] and grouping them in a pulse group. This group

Re: [arch-general] BASH no longer does 'for i in $(ls); do ls $i; done'??

2010-05-18 Thread dave reisner
Using ls for something like this is never a good idea, as Daenyth's link repeatedly points out. Use bash's globbing to get the job done. for i in *; do foo $i done Also unlike ls, this won't fail because of aliases or white spaces, either. It just works(tm). d On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:40

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] kernel 2.6.34-1

2010-05-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 19.05.2010 00:47, schrieb Thomas Bächler: Am 18.05.2010 21:49, schrieb Nezmer: FYI, I had this discussion with the radeon guys months ago in IRC. Apparently, kernel guys (maybe Linus) decided to not add new firmware files to the kernel tree. That's why we have all those firmware packages

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread bardo
2010/5/19 Isaac Dupree m...@isaac.cedarswampstudios.org: also I wonder why the group name to be pulse and not pulseaudio. This was an upstream decision.

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread Karol Babioch
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 00:25:41 Jan Steffens wrote: I could make PulseAudio installation significantly easier by putting specially-built packages (e.g. sdl-pulse, openal-pulse) into [community] and grouping them in a pulse group. I think its a great idea to provide more pulse packages, so

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Bélanger
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: I could make PulseAudio installation significantly easier by putting specially-built packages (e.g. sdl-pulse, openal-pulse) into [community] and grouping them in a pulse group. This group would also include a

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread Jan Steffens
The problem with doing that is some packages will indeed have to *depend* and not just optdepend on PA. PulseAudio installs some desktop files that causes it to autostart together with Gnome or KDE. The PA client library will start the PA server if it's not running, instead of failing. That

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on May 18, Dan McGee did say: Your dhcp process didn't start either, so you need to start one of those. Something as simple as `dhcpcd -i eth0` might work. That makes sense Dan, Thanks! While it looks like woldra's suggestion may be the best one, yours gives me a clue

[arch-general] Fw: A question regarding the ifdplug and wireless interfaces

2010-05-18 Thread Keith Hinton
Hopefully this gets to you folks. In edition, I've insured that this will be in plain-text, I received a content type was not allowed error message previously. thanks! Regards, --Keith From: Keith Hinton Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:21 AM To: Arch-General Subject: A question regarding

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio package group

2010-05-18 Thread Eric Bélanger
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with doing that is some packages will indeed have to *depend* and not just optdepend on PA. PulseAudio installs some desktop files that causes it to autostart together with Gnome or KDE. The PA client

Re: [arch-general] starting network:fail[eth0 wasn't connected] How to enable without reboot?

2010-05-18 Thread Tavian Barnes
On 18 May 2010 12:45, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: Currently my pc is a laptop. I don't use a wireless interface. I connect to the Internet via cable broadband with a wired Ethernet connection and DHCP... This id very reliable. I can usually disconnect the laptop from the

[arch-general] Fwd: testing kernel crashes on bootup

2010-05-18 Thread Tobias Powalowski
-- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -- Betreff: testing kernel crashes on bootup Datum: Dienstag 18 Mai 2010, 23:57:44 Von: Kris k...@online.no An: t.p...@gmx.de on i686. kernel 2.6.34. just replying to this: