Re: [arch-general] TeXlive 2012 packages

2012-07-03 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2012/6/26 Rémy Oudompheng remyoudomph...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am going to put Texlive 2012 packages in [testing]. Texlive 2012 is not yet released, but it is frozen, so I do not expect changes to these packages except to fix packaging errors. Please try them and complain on mailing

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread P .NIKOLIC
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:58:24 +0100 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: My setup was with dcron and ntp. Considering servers don't get chance to run the RTC battery down. I've never understood why everyone uses NTP which is an unneeded security risk anyway (OpenBSDs ain't bad).

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 03.07.2012 01:16, schrieb Karol Babioch: First of all I'm wondering why HOME_URL is set to the plain HTTP version of archlinux.org, whereas the other two links are set to the secure HTTPS version. This doesn't seem to be consequent. The example shows that Fedora is using the HTTPS version

Re: [arch-general] Installing to RAID .. cannot reboot

2012-07-03 Thread Paul Gideon Dann
On Monday 02 Jul 2012 13:42:39 D. R. Evans wrote: I have finally reached the point where the various /dev/mdn devices mount during the reboot Now I get a large number of error messages of the form: init: failed to create pty - disabling logging for job and: could not load

Re: [arch-general] CUPS not recognizing the printer

2012-07-03 Thread Serge Hooge
Not sure if this is related, but after my update this morning I am getting this message in my CUPS configuration. Searched the web and only found bug report entry on the Ubuntu forms. Not sure of a solution yet. *The PPD version (5.2.7) is not compatible with Gutenprint 5.2.8. * Not

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 3 July 2012 09:28, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 03.07.2012 01:16, schrieb Karol Babioch: After reading the appropriate man page (see [2]), I think the parameter SUPPORT_URL is not appropriate. It is set to https://bbs.archlinux.org/;. Personally I have some sort of a

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, Am 03.07.2012 10:28, schrieb Thomas Bächler: The bbs and bug tracker are https-only. If you would go to the http link, you would be redirected to https. A user cannot login on the main website or send any sensitive information to it, so there is no need to force it to https. Personally,

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 03.07.2012 12:51, schrieb Karol Babioch: Hi, Am 03.07.2012 10:28, schrieb Thomas Bächler: The bbs and bug tracker are https-only. If you would go to the http link, you would be redirected to https. A user cannot login on the main website or send any sensitive information to it, so there

Re: [arch-general] Asked for PIN during pairing of Bluetooth mouse

2012-07-03 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, just to let you people know, I posted to the gnome-bluetooth mailing list (see [1]). So if you would participate it would probably the better place. Best regards, Karol Babioch [1] http://lists.usefulinc.com/pipermail/gnome-bluetooth/2012-July/001502.html signature.asc Description:

Re: [arch-general] compact view removed from Nautilus

2012-07-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:26:57 +0200 Olav Vitters wrote: You have command line tools for gconf as well as dconf: gconftool-2 gsettings That's two interfaces that depend on installed binaries and you haven't listed them all yet, not only is the syntax rediculously long compared to for example

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
it sure isn't for consumer hardware. They could use better use of crystals in the main like watches but I think they are good enough for all except corner cases. One guy on the android list said research had come out with an average of two second slide sqew per week or something rediculous and

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, Am 03.07.2012 13:08, schrieb Thomas Bächler: Those are all valid concerns. I don't know why this particular URL was chosen. I guess nobody has put nearly as much thought into this as you did. So you would appreciate it? I certainly can submit a patch for this one ;). ruleset name=Arch

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Karol, Thanks for your input. I'm answering to your original email, but I read the whole discussion... On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: First of all I'm wondering why HOME_URL is set to the plain HTTP version of archlinux.org, whereas the other two links

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Karol Babioch
Hi, Am 03.07.2012 13:35, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Why would we want this? I don't know much about it, so if there are good reasons I'm interested to learn. I don't know much about it either, just stumbled upon it by reading the man page of /etc/os-release. Looking at the database (see [1]), I

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Mauro Santos
On 03-07-2012 12:07, Kevin Chadwick wrote: it sure isn't for consumer hardware. They could use better use of crystals in the main like watches but I think they are good enough for all except corner cases. One guy on the android list said research had come out with an average of two second

[arch-general] Error when upgrading reflector

2012-07-03 Thread Benjamin Boudreau
Just got when doing a pacman -Syu: reflector-2012.7.1-1-any 10.8 KiB 672K/s 00:00 [#] 1 ... (14/14) checking for file conflicts [#] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) reflector:

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:10:55 +0100 Mauro Santos registo.maill...@gmail.com wrote: On 03-07-2012 12:07, Kevin Chadwick wrote: it sure isn't for consumer hardware. They could use better use of crystals in the main like watches but I think they are good enough for all except corner cases.

Re: [arch-general] Error when upgrading reflector

2012-07-03 Thread anti
On 03/07/12 15:28, Benjamin Boudreau wrote: Just got when doing a pacman -Syu: reflector-2012.7.1-1-any 10.8 KiB 672K/s 00:00 [#] 1 ... (14/14) checking for file conflicts [#] 100% error: failed to commit transaction

Re: [arch-general] Error when upgrading reflector

2012-07-03 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Jul 3, 2012 9:51 AM, Szu-Han Chen sjc...@sjchen.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:28:03AM -0400, Benjamin Boudreau wrote: Just got when doing a pacman -Syu: reflector-2012.7.1-1-any 10.8 KiB 672K/s 00:00 [#] 1 ... (14/14) checking for file

Re: [arch-general] Error when upgrading reflector

2012-07-03 Thread SanskritFritz
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Daniel Wallace daniel.wall...@gatech.eduwrote: On Jul 3, 2012 9:51 AM, Szu-Han Chen sjc...@sjchen.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 09:28:03AM -0400, Benjamin Boudreau wrote: Just got when doing a pacman -Syu: reflector-2012.7.1-1-any 10.8 KiB

[arch-general] initscripts 20120631 and BTRFS

2012-07-03 Thread Arno Gaboury
Dear list, I refer to this bug report: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/30517 I have exactly the same situation at boot, and this didn't happend before. Form my kernel.log: Jul 3 16:27:01 localhost kernel: [ 240.373550] INFO: task btrfs-transacti:353 blocked for more than 120 seconds.

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Watches are perfectly acceptable time keepers especially considering I have a cheap watch stuffed in a drawer that I was surprised hasn't lost seconds in years. RTC: I'm fairly sure many older ones don't even have crystals but are probably still good enough, though I have no accurate

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 08:40 +0100, P .NIKOLIC wrote: Is your system of national importance NO do you have top secret millitary info on your system NO You're mistaken Pete, if we would talk about our orders we would have to kill you ;). Greetings from my Mossad-PC, Ralf # ntpdate

Re: [arch-general] initscripts 20120631 and BTRFS

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 3, 2012 4:36 PM, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear list, I refer to this bug report: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/30517 I have exactly the same situation at boot, and this didn't happend before. The bug report is about lvm, and your email appears to be about

Re: [arch-general] initscripts 20120631 and BTRFS

2012-07-03 Thread arnaud gaboury
Sent from my Galaxy S2 running Cyanogenmod 9 Come and chat on Googletalk On Jul 3, 2012 7:06 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Jul 3, 2012 4:36 PM, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear list, I refer to this bug report: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/30517

Re: [arch-general] initscripts 20120631 and BTRFS

2012-07-03 Thread arnaud gaboury
Sorry for the wrong subject. I had an error at boot, same as the one described. I remember adding settings about checking LVM2 at boot when I set up my LVM group. Currently traveling, so can'r give you more details, but I guess new iniscript broke something with LVM. Regards Sent from my

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 3, 2012 6:33 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Watches are perfectly acceptable time keepers especially considering I have a cheap watch stuffed in a drawer that I was surprised hasn't lost seconds in years. RTC: I'm fairly sure many older ones don't even have crystals

Re: [arch-general] initscripts 20120631 and BTRFS

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 3, 2012 7:37 PM, arnaud gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the wrong subject. I had an error at boot, same as the one described. I remember adding settings about checking LVM2 at boot when I set up my LVM group. Currently traveling, so can'r give you more details, but I

Re: [arch-general] Installing to RAID .. cannot reboot

2012-07-03 Thread D. R. Evans
Paul Gideon Dann said the following at 07/03/2012 02:35 AM : On Monday 02 Jul 2012 13:42:39 D. R. Evans wrote: I have finally reached the point where the various /dev/mdn devices mount during the reboot Now I get a large number of error messages of the form: init: failed to create pty

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Ike Devolder
Op dinsdag 3 juli 2012 11:41:08 schreef Dave Reisner: Hey all, *** If you use a custom kernel, this will affect you. Please read the big scary note at the end *** I'm taking today to work on the last roadblock before Allan can move glibc out of /lib. This basically consists of a rebuild

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Dave Reisner
On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 07:56:32PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote: Op dinsdag 3 juli 2012 11:41:08 schreef Dave Reisner: Hey all, *** If you use a custom kernel, this will affect you. Please read the big scary note at the end *** I'm taking today to work on the last roadblock before

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 3, 2012 8:18 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 07:56:32PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote: Op dinsdag 3 juli 2012 11:41:08 schreef Dave Reisner: Hey all, *** If you use a custom kernel, this will affect you. Please read the big scary note at the

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:32:40 +0100 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Watches are perfectly acceptable time keepers especially considering I have a cheap watch stuffed in a drawer that I was surprised hasn't lost seconds in years. RTC: I'm fairly sure many older ones don't even have

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread P .NIKOLIC
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:48:44 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 08:40 +0100, P .NIKOLIC wrote: Is your system of national importance NO do you have top secret millitary info on your system NO You're mistaken Pete, if we would talk about our

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: As with any large change, I'll mention on dev-public when this goes to testing, and there will be an associated news item when it moves to core. I suggest also adding a post-upgrade message to kmod. Something like: Kernel

[arch-general] Huge log file for SLiM

2012-07-03 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
Dearest Arch Linux Mailing List, So I was installing a few packages on a fairly recent Arch install, when I got an error message from pacman: 8888 : Retrieving packages from community... error: failed retrieving file 'package' from mirror1 : Failed

Re: [arch-general] Installing to RAID .. cannot reboot

2012-07-03 Thread Guus Snijders
2012/7/3 D. R. Evans doc.ev...@gmail.com: Paul Gideon Dann said the following at 07/03/2012 02:35 AM : On Monday 02 Jul 2012 13:42:39 D. R. Evans wrote: I have finally reached the point where the various /dev/mdn devices mount during the reboot Now I get a large number of error messages

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 20:14 +0100, P .NIKOLIC wrote: On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:48:44 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 08:40 +0100, P .NIKOLIC wrote: Is your system of national importance NO do you have top secret millitary info on your system NO

Re: [arch-general] Huge log file for SLiM

2012-07-03 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
That might be somewhat of an issue as I am running systemd and not the default initscripts, therefore there is no rc.conf file on my system... Also, `ps` does not report a syslog process running. Running `systemctl start syslog.service` responded that the syslog service could not be found. And

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 22:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 20:14 +0100, P .NIKOLIC wrote: On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:48:44 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 08:40 +0100, P .NIKOLIC wrote: Is your system of national importance NO

Re: [arch-general] Huge log file for SLiM

2012-07-03 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Sébastien Leblanc wrote: I deleted the /var/log/slim.log file, however the filesystem still reports being full... That is weird. Sure, 27G files aren't a common occurence. I hope my filesystem is not thrashed. Have you restarted slim since deleting /var/log/slim.log? If not, the

Re: [arch-general] Huge log file for SLiM

2012-07-03 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Jul 3, 2012 3:41 PM, Sébastien Leblanc leblancse...@gmail.com wrote: That might be somewhat of an issue as I am running systemd and not the default initscripts, therefore there is no rc.conf file on my system... Also, `ps` does not report a syslog process running. Running `systemctl start

Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements

2012-07-03 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Jul 3, 2012 7:16 AM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: After reading the appropriate man page (see [2]), I think the parameter SUPPORT_URL is not appropriate. It is set to https://bbs.archlinux.org/;. Personally I have some sort of a problem with the fact that only the forums get

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Jul 4, 2012 3:38 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: We all know that no one reads the news items, nor dev-public, so I think adding an extra warning should save us a few hundred mails/forumposts/IRC conversations. -t I see a good opportunity to start pruning the list of users of all

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Dave Reisner
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 06:42:09AM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Jul 4, 2012 3:38 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: We all know that no one reads the news items, nor dev-public, so I think adding an extra warning should save us a few hundred mails/forumposts/IRC conversations. -t

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:32:40 +0100 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Watches are perfectly acceptable time keepers especially considering I have a cheap watch stuffed in a drawer that I was surprised hasn't lost seconds in years. RTC: I'm fairly sure many older ones don't

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Attacker controlled or influenced time is actually more serious than you would think for crypto, logging etc., which is why OpenBSD put so much effort into it and don't allow the clock to go backwards. Are you claiming that the security problem of ntp is that it might cause time to

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Worst case scenario, users of custom kernels can: - manually move /lib/modules/mycustomkernel to /usr/lib/modules/ until they can do a proper rebuild. - boot a stock -ARCH kernel (you DO have it listed as a fallback, right?) until they can do a proper rebuild. Wouldn't another option

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
I believe the main reason for ntp in the main is to ensure avoidance of broken clocks like an old tv system of mine that used to keep good time has. If you take personal care of your systems it is likely just unneeded risk. Maybe I should add that if I was Google I would certainly use ntp

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Worst case scenario, users of custom kernels can: - manually move /lib/modules/mycustomkernel to /usr/lib/modules/ until they can do a proper rebuild. - boot a stock -ARCH kernel (you DO have it listed as a

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 00:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: I've never seen a system crash even due to a wildly drifting clock There's still the paradox, that using a kernel-rt we get relatively good timing for some apps, while the real real time might be completely out of timing (= 10 seconds).

[arch-general] MPD volume problems after update - mpd 0.17-1

2012-07-03 Thread Sébastien le Preste de Vauban
if I attempt to change the volume of the current song being played by mpd (tested with ncmpcpp and sonata), the volume gets muted, no sound can be heard. This did not happen with older version of mpd 0.16.x. I haven't touched my mpd.conf and mpd.log does not show anything suspicious.

Re: [arch-general] Leap seconds ntp and chrony?

2012-07-03 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-04 00:22:25 +0100] Kevin Chadwick: I think I've been quite clear, similar to negative coding. You haven't, similar to people spreading FUD. Feel free to share your deep knowledge and thorough understanding of NTP with us ignorants by contributing to this neat little project you might

Re: [arch-general] MPD volume problems after update - mpd 0.17-1

2012-07-03 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-03 21:23:01 -0400] Sébastien le Preste de Vauban: if I attempt to change the volume of the current song being played by mpd (tested with ncmpcpp and sonata), the volume gets muted, no sound can be heard. This did not happen with older version of mpd 0.16.x. I haven't touched my

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 14:18:07 -0400, Dave Reisner wrote: Worst case scenario, users of custom kernels can: - manually move /lib/modules/mycustomkernel to /usr/lib/modules/ until they can do a proper rebuild. - boot a stock -ARCH kernel (you DO have it listed as a fallback, right?)

Re: [arch-general] MPD volume problems after update - mpd 0.17-1

2012-07-03 Thread Sébastien le Preste de Vauban
El 03/07/12 21:32, Gaetan Bisson escribió: [2012-07-03 21:23:01 -0400] Sébastien le Preste de Vauban: if I attempt to change the volume of the current song being played by mpd (tested with ncmpcpp and sonata), the volume gets muted, no sound can be heard. This did not happen with older version

Re: [arch-general] MPD volume problems after update - mpd 0.17-1

2012-07-03 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-03 22:11:18 -0400] Sébastien le Preste de Vauban: El 03/07/12 21:32, Gaetan Bisson escribió: [2012-07-03 21:23:01 -0400] Sébastien le Preste de Vauban: http://shining-global.en.alibaba.com/ What's this? That's weird, it's one website I recently visited, how come it got to

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-03 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: snip - linux, linux-lts (diff for linux here: http://paste.xinu.at/LLd/) snip I'm basing my modifications to my PKGBUILDs on this, simple enough, but a simple observation - ${pkgdir} is used throughout the PKGBUILD except