My 1.2 pence:
I would prefer that rc.conf is kept as one file, or at least do it well.
W dniu wtorek, 24 lipca 2012 użytkownik Gaetan Bisson napisał:
[2012-07-24 16:07:50 +0200] Heiko Baums:
Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too.
Everything is and should stay a
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:44 PM, David Benfell
benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote:
Hi,
Because it's summer, and I'd really rather not try to figure all this
out during the school year, I'm trying to figure out systemd *now*,
rather than waiting until rc.conf goes away.
I actually had trouble
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I wonder if ArmArch will run systemd.
ArchLinux ARM ships systemd, just like we do. On my ARM machine (a
Raspberry Pi running ArchLinux ARM) I use
The 24/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config
files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of
course and can be fixed immediately by anyone without another OS or
machine.
Did you read this
The 25/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote:
In Linux I have/had some simple text files with which I can/could
configure the whole system, while I had a terrible, cryptic registry on
Windoze.
I can find anything in systemd which could make think of the registry on
Windows.
In Linux I just
2012/7/25 Ike Devolder ike.devol...@gmail.com:
That is an option I have not yet tried but I just want to preserve the
reproduction and debug the problem if there is any.
Maybe this will help:
cd /var/lib/pacman/pkg
for pkg in *; do bsdtar -tf $pkg /dev/null || echo $pkg is broken; done
This
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 07:51 +0200, okra...@arcor.de wrote:
Bad programming is the most favorite answer, and totally nonsense. The
registry just gets bigger and bigger and is totally cryptic. And the
registry is one of the most frequent reasons for system crashes and
instabilities. And it's
On 25-07-2012 09:44, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
then systemd creates some symlinks of
files into another directory whose name is also totally cryptic, at
least way to long. This is a total mess, if this is really true, and
it's absolutely a step towards a second
Am Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:22:28 +0200
schrieb Nelson Marambio nelsonmaram...@gmx.de:
that is / was right for Win 98 or Win ME. Having an exception error
which was caused by damaged registry files always meant a reset to
state short after the OS-installation, so all the drivers and
programs had
Am Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:44:34 +0200
schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr:
I can find anything in systemd which could make think of the registry
on Windows.
I didn't say that.
You are mixing up two things:
- adding/removing services on boot;
- configuring the services.
The first -
Am Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:51:15 +0200 (CEST)
schrieb okra...@arcor.de:
this is simply not true.
Sorry, but this is simply true. I know Windoze XP and I had to use it
long enough, far too long.
First of all, starting with Windows XP the stability of Windows (yes,
Windows, not Windoze) got much
On Jul 25, 2012 2:45 AM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote:
rc.d start network #successfully gets some address and a route
for i in 74.207.225.79/32 74.207.227.150/32 173.230.137.73/32
173.230.137.76/32
do
ip addr add ${i} dev eth0
done
ip -6 addr add
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 25/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote:
systemd I have to run a special command to have a daemon started at
boot time (which I additionally have to remember), I have to write such
an ini file instead of just writing or
2012/7/24 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no:
It is based on the desktop-entry-spec:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/, which
in turn is (as far as I know) based on Window's .ini format.
This is true: http://0pointer.de/public/systemd-man/systemd.unit.html.
It could be worse;
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:57:02 AM Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Jul 25, 2012 2:45 AM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote:
rc.d start network #successfully gets some address and a route
for i in 74.207.225.79/32 74.207.227.150/32 173.230.137.73/32
173.230.137.76/32
do
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 06:42 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:57:02 AM Tom Gundersen wrote:or you could
tell systemd to ruin your script.
^^^
This was worth a good laugh this morning
Typing ungloved is better. Or using an alphabetically
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:14:57AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
I used Windoze long enough. And I had to reinstall it every 3 months,
and I know a lot of people who also had to do it this often. Since
Windoze XP it was maybe not every 3 months anymore, but still often
enough.
I am realistic
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 13:05 +0200, Oliver Kraitschy wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:14:57AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
I am realistic and professional, because I speak from experience, like
I said before more than 25 years.
If the next employer you'll make an application should read this,
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 13:18 +0200, Oliver Kraitschy wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:20:57AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Is there the need to talk about Windows? XP is stable, just most XP
users are unexperienced, so they break their XPs, but for such computer
users a Linux won't work,
On 07/25/12 at 01:47am, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
to reiterate the above ... it works fantastic. the Pandaboard runs 9
custom unit files (1/2 of which are just mods to the shipped unit
files):
u.dhcpd4.service
u.dnsmasq.service
u.fwknopd.service
u.hostapd.service
iptables.service
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 06:42 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:57:02 AM Tom Gundersen wrote:or you could
tell systemd to ruin your script.
^^^
This was worth a good
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Then create a service file in /etc/systemd/system/davids-network.service
[unit]
description= David's Network Setup
Wants= network.target
Before= network.target
[service]
Type = oneshot
On 25/07/2012 5:54 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
[snip]
Why do I have to tell systemd in all of those init scripts what
service has to run before or after this service? In DAEMONS in
rc.conf I just have a list of daemons I want to have started in one
single line. And the order in which they have
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Manolo Martínez
man...@austrohungaro.com wrote:
On 07/25/12 at 01:47am, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
to reiterate the above ... it works fantastic. the Pandaboard runs 9
custom unit files (1/2 of which are just mods to the shipped unit
files):
u.dhcpd4.service
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Then create a service file in /etc/systemd/system/davids-network.service
[unit]
description= David's Network Setup
Wants= network.target
Before=
Hi all,
I've some problem with notification-daemon.
Trying to start notification-daemon with my fluxbox at startup I get some
errors.
The problem is when the daemon receive a notification
For example if I send something with notify-send:
notify-send hi hello this is a notification
I see
Why you would want to specify which services had to come before or after
which other services is obvious when you consider that systemd boots
services in parallel. There is no way in the current system, and no way
without specifying, to boot several daemons at the same time and then
boot
I am realistic and professional, because I speak from experience, like
I said before more than 25 years.
If the next employer you'll make an application should read this, you
was an professional.
Is that a joke because I don't get it? I'd hire him, if I could afford
him!
Hello Heiko,
this is simply not true.
First of all, starting with Windows XP the stability of Windows (yes,
Windows, not Windoze) got much better and there are very few crashes which
are mostly related to driver issues, IMO.
Incidentally, I installed a fresh XP a couple of weeks ago.
If a service is not provided:
- with SysVinit you have to write the whole script usually relying on
whatever library the distribution provides (which tend to be
error-prone);
- with systemd, you just write a configuration file.
Well arch has some includes to make it prettier.
On
The 24/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config
files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of
course and can be fixed immediately by anyone without another OS or
machine.
Did you read
The 24/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config
files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of
course and can be fixed immediately by anyone without another OS or
machine.
Did you read
On Jul 25, 2012 6:14 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Why you would want to specify which services had to come before or after
which other services is obvious when you consider that systemd boots
services in parallel. There is no way in the current system, and no way
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 16:12 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
I am realistic and professional, because I speak from experience, like
I said before more than 25 years.
If the next employer you'll make an application should read this, you
was an professional.
Is that a joke because
L. Poettering takes photos from himself in front of the mirror (google!)
very often and publishes them by the Internet. I'm a pro-audio user. How
many pro-audio cards are working with PA? L. Poettering, the boy with
the same haircut as Bill Gates, blames the ALSA driver, but with jack
and ALSA
Maybe you could be clearer because scripting is almost boundless.
There is no way to specify in DAEMONS that syslog-ng and dbus should be
started in parallel, and only when they are both up and running should
network manager be started.
Personally I don't care about shaving a second
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 18:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
L. Poettering takes photos from himself in front of the mirror (google!)
very often and publishes them by the Internet. I'm a pro-audio user. How
many pro-audio cards are working with PA? L. Poettering, the boy with
the same haircut as
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
And what has all that to do with /etc/rc.conf splitting?
And some people wonder why Arch devs don't read arch-general...
--
A: Because it obfuscates the reading.
Q: Why is top posting so bad?
For more information,
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 14:13 -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
And what has all that to do with /etc/rc.conf splitting?
And some people wonder why Arch devs don't read arch-general...
I only can apologize
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 14:13 -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
And what has all that to do with /etc/rc.conf splitting?
And some
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:07:29 +0200
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 18:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
L. Poettering takes photos from himself in front of the mirror (google!)
very often and publishes them by the Internet. I'm a pro-audio user. How
many
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 14:27 -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 14:13 -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 12:41 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:07:29 +0200
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 18:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
L. Poettering takes photos from himself in front of the mirror (google!)
very often and
Hi, folks,
for joining audio dramas (d/l from Amazon) which come along in
MP3-Format I use a short script
#!/bin/bash
mp3wrap tmp.mp3 *.mp3
ffmpeg -i tmp_MP3WRAP.mp3 -acodec copy all.mp3 rm tmp_MP3WRAP.mp3
It works for half of my books, processing the other half produces this
error
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 08:26:37PM +0200, Nelson Marambio wrote:
Does anyone have an advice for me ? Have the suitable parameters for
ffmpeg changed ? Or is the ffmpeg-call obsolete meanwhile (it seemed
to be necessary for fixing the audio-header concering track length)
?
Despite the chance
Hello, folks
Due to recent changes in arch linux, I have some qustion about new process
of installation and configuration of arch linux.
I am really not computer geek, so I apologize if I express anything
incorrectly.
First. About absence of core images. When I just read about it, I thought
why
Am 25.07.2012 20:54, schrieb pants:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 08:26:37PM +0200, Nelson Marambio wrote:
Does anyone have an advice for me ? Have the suitable parameters for
ffmpeg changed ? Or is the ffmpeg-call obsolete meanwhile (it seemed
to be necessary for fixing the audio-header concering
Guys, relax, we are all in the same wagon, it's a nonsense to make
anything personal nor to demonstrate who has the bigger dick,
fuck off all that shit.
As some _DEVS_ had actually stated, let's discuss everything from
a TECHNICAL point of view, arguing and ranting because personal dislikes
of
Hey all,
I just wanted to share my experience with you. I follow closely the
changes and discussion about systemd and I have to say that in the
first I was worried also that taken away the basic configuration from
rc.conf will be complicated and will cause more pain.
I usually enjoy breaking my
On Jul 25, 2012 9:22 PM, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote:
Hello, folks
Due to recent changes in arch linux, I have some qustion about new process
of installation and configuration of arch linux.
I am really not computer geek, so I apologize if I express anything
incorrectly.
First. About
And now the main question. If new plan of reorganization of
configuration
files can not manage without rc.conf, why there is so need to split it?
rc.conf should now only contain what is necessary to configure the
initscripts. See arch-dev-public for details.
So systemd is instead of
W dniu 25.07.2012 21:49, brainwor...@lavabit.com pisze:
And now the main question. If new plan of reorganization of
configuration
files can not manage without rc.conf, why there is so need to split it?
rc.conf should now only contain what is necessary to configure the
initscripts. See
On 07/25/2012 01:49 PM, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote:
And now the main question. If new plan of reorganization of
configuration
files can not manage without rc.conf, why there is so need to split it?
rc.conf should now only contain what is necessary to configure the
initscripts. See
Hi, I'm in a hurry to work so I will try to be the most clear but succint
possible,
forgive any typo then :)
[...]So if I do not have installation
guide previously printed on paper, I just become consused what to do
next.[...]
But for the present I would like at least to have installation guide
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Then create a service file in
/etc/systemd/system/davids-network.service
[unit] description= David's Network Setup Wants=
network.target Before= network.target
[service] Type =
Welcome ;)
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote:
Hello, folks
Due to recent changes in arch linux, I have some qustion about new process
of installation and configuration of arch linux.
I am really not computer geek, so I apologize if I express anything
Thanks! I will be testing this (and a few other things) just as soon
as I work my courage up to try a reboot. I know you're supposed to
test one thing at a time. This situation doesn't really allow that. :-/
Can you not find the space to create images or dumps, so that you can
try again if
Hi everyone!
My experience with systemd is a +1 as well. I use it in my laptop and it
provides a nice experience for a desktop user. Starting services on demand,
suspend support and all other features gives a nice experience for an end
user.
Maybe it's just my idea but I think the system is
check if root is /dev/sda in /etc/fstab and you
may need /var, /usr too)
/bin/dd if=/dev/sda bs=32k | /bin/gzip /home/dave/sda-backup.gz
Oops, autopilot check if / is /dev/sda1 /dev/sda is whole disk which
will likely take ages without clonezilla.
--
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Mauro Santos
registo.maill...@gmail.com wrote:
There are reports that the uvcvideo module needs to be loaded with
nodrop=1 in order to get things to work smoothly, do search in the
forums, I believe I saw something about this there.
I can't believe that I did
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM, SanskritFritz sanskritfr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Mauro Santos
registo.maill...@gmail.com wrote:
There are reports that the uvcvideo module needs to be loaded with
nodrop=1 in order to get things to work smoothly, do search in the
On 25-07-2012 23:20, SanskritFritz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM, SanskritFritz sanskritfr...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Mauro Santos
registo.maill...@gmail.com wrote:
There are reports that the uvcvideo module needs to be loaded with
nodrop=1 in order to
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On 07/25/2012 03:47 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Can you not find the space to create images or dumps, so that you
can try again if need be. Or do you have a massive root partition.
It's pretty big. And I'm a starving and unemployed (Ph.D.) student
Am Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:05:37 -0400
schrieb Stephen E. Baker baker.stephe...@gmail.com:
This DAEMONS array is nice, one of the things I like about Arch, but
it is specific to Arch not SysV. If you run Gentoo, or others you
won't have something like that, you'll have a program that arranges
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:48:00PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I laugh away this trouble.
Is there any information about the advantages of lib - usr/lib?
anyone likes to answer this question?
-ken
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:19:59AM +0800, Ken CC wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:48:00PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I laugh away this trouble.
Is there any information about the advantages of lib - usr/lib?
anyone likes to answer this question?
-ken
this was the thread on
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:19:59AM +0800, Ken CC wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:48:00PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I laugh away this trouble.
Is there any information about the advantages of lib - usr/lib?
anyone likes to answer this question?
-ken
I beleive its a question of
I beleive its a question of
How is the filesytem structure and its distributed nature/capabilities
relevant today
i.e the need for /bin or /lib even.
If everything is to end up in /usr, then I'd argue that this makes /usr
superfluous. If merging is to be done, then IMO things should be
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Aitor Pazos m...@aitorpazos.es wrote:
Hi everyone!
My experience with systemd is a +1 as well. I use it in my laptop and it
provides a nice experience for a desktop user. Starting services on demand,
suspend support and all other features gives a nice
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Hi all,
On 07/25/2012 01:52 PM, David Benfell wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Then create a service file in
/etc/systemd/system/davids-network.service
[unit] description= David's Network Setup Wants=
If everything is to end up in /usr, then I'd argue that this makes /usr
superfluous. If merging is to be done, then IMO things should be moved out
of /usr, not moved in.
well no
the point is to have a single top-level directory for a single purpose.
so distribution provided files will go to
If everything is to end up in /usr, then I'd argue that this makes /usr
superfluous. If merging is to be done, then IMO things should be moved
out
of /usr, not moved in.
well no
the point is to have a single top-level directory for a single purpose.
so distribution provided files will go
On Wednesday 25 Jul 2012 11:15:48 AM Krzysztof Warzecha wrote:
2012/7/25 Ike Devolder ike.devol...@gmail.com:
That is an option I have not yet tried but I just want to preserve the
reproduction and debug the problem if there is any.
Maybe this will help:
cd /var/lib/pacman/pkg
for pkg
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote:
As an alternative/addition, which has also been brought up before, why
don't we build in the most basic of modules? I'll bet we can cover at
least 50%
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote:
If everything is to end up in /usr, then I'd argue that this makes /usr
superfluous. If merging is to be done, then IMO things should be moved
out
of /usr, not moved in.
well no
the point is to have a single top-level
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 13:01 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote:
If everything is to end up in /usr, then I'd argue that this makes /usr
superfluous. If merging is to be done, then IMO things should be moved
out
of /usr, not moved in.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote:
If everything is to end up in /usr, then I'd argue that this makes /usr
superfluous. If merging is to be done, then IMO things should be moved
out
of
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Hi all,
Regrettably, due to some overzealous spam filtering in my Thunderbird
configuration and elsewhere, I'm just finding C. Anthony Risinger's
suggestion:
[Unit]
Description=[u] Static Interface [%I]
StopWhenUnneeded=true
Wants=network.target
Right, because /sbin/init isn't binary and none of the scripts relied
on a interpreter that wasn't binary code?
They are indeed, but it's a matter of size. The size of /sbin/init is 40.592B
and /usr/lib/systemd/systemd 866.576B, which is a huge difference. Init
responsabilities are much
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Aitor Pazos m...@aitorpazos.es wrote:
Right, because /sbin/init isn't binary and none of the scripts relied
on a interpreter that wasn't binary code?
They are indeed, but it's a matter of size. The size of /sbin/init is 40.592B
and /usr/lib/systemd/systemd
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:18 AM, David Benfell
benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote:
[Install]
Alias=sys-subsystem-net-devices-lan0.device.wants/u.net.static at
lan0.service
I see that %I is supposed to stand for eth0; how do I connect this
with eth0?
i modified it for you here:
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