On 16 August 2012 07:20, Martin Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote:
Baho: it's sad to see you leave pal but in the future try to not let things
bring you down so easily, the world is full of suckers and the sooner you
learn to live with that the better.
Tom: I will miss your answers, they were
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:53:02AM -0400, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
are for, no? People can (or at least should be able to) configure their
mailreaders to mute people or topics they want to mute.
This. This so very much.
We're
On 5 August 2012 14:13, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote:
thank you!!
--
(\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile
(0.o ) to help him achieve world domination.
( ) come join the dark side.
/_|_\ (we have cookies.)
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Øyvind Heggstad
On 16 August 2012 05:00, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
jeffrey.pa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
Thomas Rand wrote:
[snipped irrelevant content]
I use gmail yet ooh I bottom post!
*chuckles*
And tomorrow we'll learn how to quote properly and how to modify a subject
line, while we're on the topic of mail hygiene? And all that without undue
sarcasm, but in a polite and helpful manner?
Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk writes:
On 16 August 2012 06:53, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to prefer systems that provide mailing lists and forums as two
separate frontends to the same data.
As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
Op 15-08-12 18:49, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto schreef:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Mikael Eriksson
mikael_eriks...@miffe.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:50:01PM +0200, Fred Verschueren wrote:
My problem:
When booting with init=/bin/systemd I have the following phenomenon:
Job
On 16 August 2012 08:54, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk writes:
On 16 August 2012 06:53, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to prefer systems that provide mailing lists and forums as two
separate frontends to the same data.
Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk writes:
On 16 August 2012 08:54, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
B: If it's noise to you, kill or filter out the threads in your
reader.
how about the OP takes his argument to another place considering they
are off topic here to insight
Am 15.08.2012 21:43, schrieb Tom Gundersen:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz
karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
Hi guys,
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Aurko Roy roy.au...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Jorge Almeida jjalme...@gmail.com wrote:
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom.
Are you also smoking something in the bathroom?
I apologize to everyone. Obviously, a case of wrong address,
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote:
Am 15.08.2012 21:43, schrieb Tom Gundersen:
We don't currently have a satisfactory answer to this question.
Hopefully a solution will present itself soon, I know people are
discussing the problem. After all, we DO want
Am 16.08.2012 04:40, schrieb Michael Nawrocki:
On 08/15/2012 05:02 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
Am 15.08.2012 03:30, schrieb Michael Nawrocki:
I'm trying to get my laptop backlight keys (fn+f6/f7) to adjust the
brightness of my toshiba laptop backlight.
I am curious. With 3.3 and earlier, my
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jeremiah Dodds
jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
With -general MLs, I don't really see the point of censorship of
anything that isn't blatant spam, which the systemd threads are not. I
particularly don't see the point when it's generally trivial for people
who
On 16 August 2012 11:08, Rodrigo Rivas rodrigorivasco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
please don't continue
Congratulations to the trolls on the
effect they've had.
Except I would see some of your posts as trolling and I'm sure you
would see some of mine as trolling too.
I have tried not to but have re-iterated some things when I have felt
that blatant inaccuracies have come along and I am sorry for
2012/8/16 Vytautas Stankevičius brothe...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote:
Am 15.08.2012 21:43, schrieb Tom Gundersen:
[...]
what about cleaning arch-general by creating a new list (arch-offtopic,
arch-flame etc) and moving those diskussion
On Aug 16, 2012 2:10 AM, Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk wrote:
I use gmail yet ooh I bottom post!
how
click reply
hold down ctrl+end
this takes you to the bottom of the reply window tada!
Anybody know where to find the ctrl or end keys on an Android device?
=-Jameson
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 16, 2012 2:10 AM, Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk wrote:
I use gmail yet ooh I bottom post!
how
click reply
hold down ctrl+end
this takes you to the bottom of the reply window tada!
Anybody know where to find the
On 16 August 2012 13:48, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 16, 2012 2:10 AM, Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk wrote:
I use gmail yet ooh I bottom post!
how
click reply
hold down ctrl+end
this takes you to the
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
people - can we define them as bottom holes ? - are rotting this
mailing list,
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
people - can we define them as
Am 16.08.2012 08:10, schrieb Dennis Herbrich:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:53:02AM -0400, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
are for, no? People can (or at least should be able to) configure their
mailreaders to mute people or topics they
On 08/16/2012 03:22 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
We're all consenting adults here. Just hit that delete button, ESC-d, Del or
adjust your scorefile/junk filter
So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
remove the offending posts.
Further,
Clever people always have a
The problem here are a small handful of people who start flames and
spread FUD. Banning a handful of people from the list is an easier
solution IMO. I am generally against such measures, but it seems we will
have no choice.
Can we please make the difference between flaming and trolling
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman sc...@archlinux.org wrote:
On 16 August 2012 01:21, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
So, if you *already* know that there are problems, why not wait?
What's wrong with waiting another year, and see if you don't see so
many
Am 16.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM,
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
I want to squash the noise that has turned this list from a helpful and
nice place to discuss with developers and users into the place
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
I guess you've reported it to kernel devs, right...?
On 16 August 2012 09:19, Vytautas Stankevičius brothe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
I want to squash the noise that has turned this list from a
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando alfer...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
I guess you've reported it to kernel
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Vytautas Stankevičius
brothe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
I want to squash the noise that has turned this list
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman sc...@archlinux.org
wrote:
On 16 August 2012 01:21, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
So, if you *already* know that there are problems,
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com wrote:
A big switch like this will have problems regardless of when you do it. Its
best to do it soon and get the teething issues over with. For most people
systemd seems to work fine and is production ready (also evidenced by
On 16 August 2012 15:27, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando alfer...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
independently of whether you
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
This is so stupid that it's not even funny. You said that the problem
was having CONFIG_HZ=300 and systemd. I said it
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com wrote:
A big switch like this will have problems regardless of when you do it. Its
best to do it soon and get the teething issues over with.
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 18:54:24 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Forking processes does not copy binaries.
Pulled out of silence for the very very last time.
It copies the parent which is much larger is what I meant. A real
problem for embedded where memory fragmentation matters to the point
that
Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
pacman. For example, sometimes you need to install packages as a optional
or makedepend. I always do it with --as-deps key. Later, when you run
pacman -Qdt to see and cleanup orphan packages you can't distinguish
really orphan
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joker-jar joker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
pacman. For example, sometimes you need to install packages as a optional
or makedepend. I always do it with --as-deps key. Later, when you run
pacman
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:29:32PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Vytautas Stankevičius
brothe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:22:58 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org:
So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
remove the offending posts.
The problem here are a small handful of people who start flames and
spread FUD. Banning a handful of people from
Will the two versions conflict with eachother? Will there be any KDE4
conflicts?
Thanks
Calvin
(Install either 14.0.0 or 3.5.13, but not both at the same time. R14 should
install with KDE4, but the libart-lgpl conflict needs to be fixed. I don't
recommend installing both 3.5.13-sru and
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02:57PM +0200, fredbezies wrote:
Last threads on systemd was useless.
I disagree. In the last thread, I had to really dig for outside information to
understand both sides of the argument. My research and tinkering has lead me
to the following valuable conclusions:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Karol Blazewicz
karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joker-jar joker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
pacman. For example, sometimes you need to install packages as a optional
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:22:58 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org:
So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
remove the offending posts.
The problem here are a small handful
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
That's not more pragmatic,
It is. Person X is annoying everyone, so person X can't post any longer.
You seem to be conflating pragmatism with bigotry.
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
by other peoples'
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
That's not more pragmatic,
It is. Person X is annoying everyone, so person X can't post any longer.
You seem to be conflating pragmatism with
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:08:50AM +0200, Rodrigo Rivas wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
I do not argue that software is good because it is old. I argue that software
which is correct does not need to be changed.
[2012-08-16 17:28:03 +0200] Heiko Baums:
If I have concerns about systemd for good
reasons, even if they are not technical but, say if you like,
personal?
Why would any of us care about your personal life?
Well, the personal concerns can easily become technical
ones sooner or later. See PA.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:50:20AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
by other peoples' silliness.
This is sort of how I feel about Tom and other who
[2012-08-16 09:47:11 -0600] Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia:
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
by other peoples' silliness.
Let's all settle for a mediocre Internet and learn to cope with it.
--
Gaetan
On 16 August 2012 11:59, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:50:20AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:00:55PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Right, but he has even said (along with others) that nobody is gonna
change their mind, who cares about them, they're just trolls... to
that effect.
Why bother fighting something so stupid, if even you admit it is stupid?
On 08/16/2012 09:59 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Note: Binaries are currently being finished and will be uploaded when
complete. Currently TDE 3.5.13-sru i686 is ready for testing. x86_64 will be
uploaded later today. R14 should be expected within a week.
3.5.13-sru x86_64 packages are
Hi!
that is a great idea.
On Thursday 16 of August 2012 18:07:40 Chris Sakalis wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Karol Blazewicz
karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joker-jar joker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments
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I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
Do *not* feed the trolls!
If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter how
wrong he is or how stupid his opinions, he won't change his mind;
On Aug 16, 2012 5:50 PM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
That's not more pragmatic,
It is. Person X is annoying everyone,
Am 15.08.2012 20:44, schrieb Tobias Powalowski:
Hi guys,
please signoff 3.4.9 series for both arches.
package is not in testing, please grab it from here:
http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/linux/
This will move to [core] directly, because 3.5.2 is in [testing].
greetings
tpowa
anyone for
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02:57PM +0200, fredbezies wrote:
Last threads on systemd was useless.
I disagree. In the last thread, I had to really dig for outside information
to understand both sides of the argument. My research and tinkering has lead
me to the following valuable
Hi!
Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll to
determine the will of the community:
On 08/16/12 18:59, Jérôme Bartand wrote:
Hi!
Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll to
determine the will of the
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:24 +0200
Jérôme Bartand moije...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot
of controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Øyvind Heggstad
mrelen...@har-ikkje.netwrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:24 +0200
Jérôme Bartand moije...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You
It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
statistical information gathering in order to better server their
customers.
yeah, but an open online poll is not statistics gathering, because you
don't have any way to ensure that you get a representative random
heh this whole thread is hilarious, I believe upstream is eager to do so
just so people will stop complaining xD
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:09:47PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
Also you're poll doesn't give any arguments for or against the move,
unedacted users should look into the benefits of moving to systemd.
They should look at both the pros and cons. One problem with this
is that much of the the
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison
mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
statistical information gathering in order to better server their
customers.
yeah, but in a business situation the customers actually pay
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:26 PM, phani listm...@phanisvara.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison
mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
statistical information gathering in order to better server their
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:05:17 +0530, Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.com
wrote:
if we (arch linux users) managed to collect enough money to 'bribe' the
devs into doing what we want, this poll might have a point. as it is,
forget it.
I'd seriously consider giving a good bit for direct
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:26 PM, phani listm...@phanisvara.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison
mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:05:17 +0530, Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.com
wrote:
if we (arch linux users) managed to collect enough money to 'bribe' the
devs into doing what we want, this poll might have a point. as it is,
forget it.
I'd seriously consider giving a good bit for direct
On 08/16/2012 07:59 PM, Jérôme Bartand wrote:
Hi!
Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll to
determine the will of the
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:10:38 +0530, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Replace gold with willing and skills to help, and you're right.
what strikes me is that pretty much all who have the skills, do the work,
and make the decisions in (almost) all the major distros
On Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:56:25 PM phani wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison
mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
statistical information gathering in order to better server their
customers.
Am Fri, 17 Aug 2012 01:56:57 +1000
schrieb Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.org:
Why would any of us care about your personal life?
...
Your head must be such as mess if you can make sense of the above...
...
Do either. And when you have five seconds please reflect on why none
of us
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:59 PM, phani listm...@phanisvara.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:10:38 +0530, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Replace gold with willing and skills to help, and you're right.
what strikes me is that pretty much all who have the skills, do the
Some funny bloke just sent me a bogus 'please confirm your request
to unsubscribe' message. Probably because I suggested that Lennart's
blog is not the ideal place to find unbiased information regarding
systemd if you want to inform yourself before participating in the
poll.
Which is just a fact,
2012/8/16 Tobias Frilling tob...@frilling-online.de
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I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
Do *not* feed the trolls!
If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter
how
wrong
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Tom Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk wrote:
look at the end of the day this is a place for archlinux support
discussions with dev's, this is why there are policies for this other forms
of
communication with the dev's users.
it is not about free speach or whether
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Sander Jansen s.jan...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not exactly rocket science. Other forums and mailing lists have
moderators and rules.
The alternative is not rocket science either; ignore the threads you
don't care about. And other mailing lists do that as well
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Tobias Frilling
tob...@frilling-online.de wrote:
I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
Do *not* feed the trolls!
If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter how
wrong he is or how stupid
On 08/16/2012 11:19 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/16/2012 09:59 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Note: Binaries are currently being finished and will be uploaded when
complete. Currently TDE 3.5.13-sru i686 is ready for testing. x86_64 will be
uploaded later today. R14 should be expected within
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com wrote:
Doing it later does not necessarily minimize problems, in fact it can
sometimes exacerbate problems.
No it doesn't, quite the opposite actually.
Here, I'm going to do something that you are not doing, not just make
an
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com wrote:
A big switch like this will have problems
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM,
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
This is so stupid that it's not even funny.
heh I don't believe they fully understand how things work.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.orgwrote:
Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
those fleshed out on a page where I can read
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at
There has been much ado on the arch-general mailing list about the move to
systemd. I participated in part of it, but like others finally tired of
seeing a dead horse kicked over and over and over. So much so that the
last dev who really paid attention to the list said goodbye. Yet the free
for
Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'.
This begins to look like stalking. The request was sent from
anonymouse.org, so whoever is doing this is a miserable coward
apart from whatever else.
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote:
There has been much ado on the arch-general mailing list about the move to
systemd. I participated in part of it, but like others finally tired of
seeing a dead horse kicked over and over and over. So much so that the
just a suggestion. Wouldn't tracking which packages where installed as
optional dependencies be better? There could be a --as-optdeps option
for example.
Do not forget about makedepends. Often you can't remember for what package
you install something in the orphans list as makedepend, or it's
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net
wrote:
There has been much ado on the arch-general mailing list about the move
to
systemd. I participated in part of it, but like others finally
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