Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Kyle
+According to Leon Feng: Systemd support shortform service name now. See the wiki page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Using_Units For now, this only seems to work for starting, stopping and reloading services. Unfortunately it doesn't yet seem to work for enabling or

Re: [arch-general] OT: Major distributions (WAS: Re: [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd)

2012-08-18 Thread David Benfell
On 08/17/2012 04:37 PM, Justin Strickland wrote: If I recall correctly I don't believe you would have to modify any program to work with systemd, the only thing you'd have to do is create a unit for it. (Though I could be wrong please correct me if I'm wrong.)_ It is better if programs are

Re: [arch-general] GDM and/or PulseAudio mute my sound

2012-08-18 Thread Kyle
According to Rodrigo Rivas: One last idea. Maybe the gnome-settings-daemon is playing dumb with your sound. I think you can disable the sound plugin of g-s-d using dconf (org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.sound.active). I tried dconf write org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/sound/active false

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2012/8/17 Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.comwrote: That seems to be one of the more well thought out (not pro), responces to systemd, Thank you. My intent was to start an intelligent discussion. The rants and

Re: [arch-general] GDM and/or PulseAudio mute my sound

2012-08-18 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Kyle k...@gmx.ca wrote: According to Rodrigo Rivas: One last idea. Maybe the gnome-settings-daemon is playing dumb with your sound. I think you can disable the sound plugin of g-s-d using dconf (org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.sound.active). I tried

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2012/8/16 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Lennart said systemd will only ever run on Linux and is only designed for a full fledged Fedora but is useful on embedded too. However I don't think he realised what level the Linux embedded world could expand to. As far as I know,

[arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread fredbezies
Hello. Yesterday, I wanted to test systemd, and all worked well, thanks to the wiki. For this test, I used a VirtualBox machine with archlinux in it. I didn't want to bust my main computer. There is big problem. Audio is not working. Every single time sound is needed, I got something like this

Re: [arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread Jesse Jaara
Have you unmuted the channels?

Re: [arch-general] GDM and/or PulseAudio mute my sound

2012-08-18 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:45 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: while the volume was at the proper level. At this point, I am totally stumped. The computer I had that died used a SoundBlaster Live Value, and although the sound started out muted, restoring the alsa volumes always

Re: [arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/18 Jesse Jaara jesse.ja...@gmail.com: Have you unmuted the channels? All channels are activated. I will try systemctl start alsa-restore and see... But that's weird :( -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com

Re: [arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread Jesse Jaara
Have you unmuted the sound card's own channels too? And not just the pulseaudio's.

Re: [arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/18 Jesse Jaara jesse.ja...@gmail.com: Have you unmuted the sound card's own channels too? And not just the pulseaudio's. Both pulseaudio and sound cards channels are unmuted. -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com

Re: [arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/18 Jesse Jaara jesse.ja...@gmail.com: Have you unmuted the sound card's own channels too? And not just the pulseaudio's. Stinks like a virtualbox bug. Alsamixer shows me that all channels (both pulseaudio and sound card ones) are opened and 100% volume. And when I enter, either in

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-18 Thread John Briggs
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 01:05:27PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: In all of the discussion about systemd, all anyone should care about is: (1) Does systemd provide *needed* additional capabilities that are not currently available; (2) What are they? (3) What are the disadvantages

Re: [arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/18 Jesse Jaara jesse.ja...@gmail.com: Have you unmuted the sound card's own channels too? And not just the pulseaudio's. It is a virtualbox bug. Verified in qemu, and sound it working, even if qemu is very slow with gnome shell. -- Frederic Bezies fredbez...@gmail.com

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Lennart said systemd will only ever run on Linux and is only designed for a full fledged Fedora but is useful on embedded too. However I don't think he realised what level the Linux embedded world could expand to. As far as I know, Archlinux does not target non-x86 embedded

Re: [arch-general] No working sound with systemd and pulseaudio ?

2012-08-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
It is a virtualbox bug. It probably is but that is no certainty. Virtualbox is or was atleast a good example of how a user loved and useful software can still be far from good and safe code correctness. The project leader of OpenBSD had a bug report and eventually found it was virtualbox's

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-18 Thread Geoff
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:11:58 +1000 John Briggs johne...@optusnet.com.au wrote: snipped wisdom As I have said in a previous post, I arrived in linux a little later than you, but for much the same reasons. On KISS / The Arch Way / Unix philosophy etc, it seems to me that here as in my own field

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-18 Thread Smith Dhumbumroong
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 07:27:29PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs

[arch-general] UPnP server for a arch router

2012-08-18 Thread Zachary (Asian)
hello, i am moving to a dorm soon and i plan on using a archlinux box as a router. to keep from messing with iptables every 5 seconds, i was wondering if there was a good, easy to setup upnp server.

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-18 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2012/8/18 John Briggs johne...@optusnet.com.au wrote: IMHO systemd is unnecessarily complex in trying to do too many separate tasks. I don't understand why you are saying that. The systemd project may be larger than a small utility, but it is composed of: * multiple, small utilities that do

Re: [arch-general] time zone problem with systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Shridhar Daithankar ghodech...@ghodechhap.net wrote: Hello, I am having trouble with time on a machine when I boot with systemd. The clock is ahead of actual time by the value of time zone offset. Funny thing is when I boot with initscripts, time is

Re: [arch-general] time zone problem with systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Brandon Watkins
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Shridhar Daithankar ghodech...@ghodechhap.net wrote: Hello, I am having trouble with time on a machine when I boot with systemd. The clock is ahead of actual time by the value of time zone offset. Funny thing is when I boot with initscripts, time is

Re: [arch-general] UPnP server for a arch router

2012-08-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
i am moving to a dorm soon and i plan on using a archlinux box as a router. to keep from messing with iptables every 5 seconds, i was wondering if there was a good, easy to setup upnp server. Why not have two nics, one that allows incoming to any ports you may ever want and one that doesn't.

Re: [arch-general] UPnP server for a arch router

2012-08-18 Thread Zachary (Asian)
i do, but you already need one facing the internet and one facing the intranet. On Aug 18, 2012 9:57 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: i am moving to a dorm soon and i plan on using a archlinux box as a router. to keep from messing with iptables every 5 seconds, i was

Re: [arch-general] time zone problem with systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Keshav P R
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Shridhar Daithankar ghodech...@ghodechhap.net wrote: Hello, I am having trouble with time on a machine when I boot with systemd. The clock is ahead of actual time by the value of time zone offset. Funny thing is when I boot with initscripts, time is reported

Re: [arch-general] UPnP server for a arch router

2012-08-18 Thread Zachary (Asian)
to clarify a little (and bump), im talking about the UPnP IGD protocol. if there isnt a good server out there, then even a link to a clear explanation of the protocol would be nice, IIRC the RFC was more difficult to understand than most On Aug 18, 2012 10:11 AM, Zachary (Asian)

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-18 Thread Giorgio Lando
As a long term, quite silent user, the systemd drama does not struck me as special, new or exceedingly dramatic. I remember analogous, heated discussions also when the arch community was much smaller. E.g., I remember a devfs --- udev transition drama, and a monolithic xfree --- modular xorg one.

Re: [arch-general] time zone problem with systemd

2012-08-18 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Saturday 18 Aug 2012 8:04:58 PM Keshav P R wrote: Your problem might be due to RTC (motherboard) clock being in local time (generally the case if you dual-boot with Windows. Systemd assumes that RTC is in UTC, but in case of initscripts it can be configured to be localtime. Hence the time

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-18 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 08:11:58PM +1000, John Briggs wrote: IMHO the cost of Linux embracing complexity is a loss of freedom. We must all decide personally if we are willing to pay this price or we remain true to the principles of GNU/Linux and abandon this type of software. At this time we

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-18 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:03:55PM +0100, Geoff wrote: As I have said in a previous post, I arrived in linux a little later than you, but for much the same reasons. On KISS / The Arch Way / Unix philosophy etc, it seems to me that here as in my own field (law), maxims make good servants but

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-18 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 01:52:59PM +0200, R??my Oudompheng wrote: I don't understand why you are saying that. I can't speak for him but I can tell you why I say it. Parsing a config file is _always_ unnecessary complexity. It is where some of the biggest bugs lurk. It hurts the functional

[arch-general] Broken perl packages Justin Davis (juster)

2012-08-18 Thread David C. Rankin
All, When attempting to build in an archroot this morning, the build failed due to unknown trust signatures on perl packages. Can I pass an argument to makechrootpkg to overcome the error? The error were as follows (email blanked): Proceed with installation? [Y/n] checking package

Re: [arch-general] Broken perl packages Justin Davis (juster)

2012-08-18 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 02:32:04PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: All, When attempting to build in an archroot this morning, the build failed due to unknown trust signatures on perl packages. Can I pass an argument to makechrootpkg to overcome the error? The error were as follows (email

Re: [arch-general] Broken perl packages Justin Davis (juster)

2012-08-18 Thread David C. Rankin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/18/2012 02:38 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote: you need to update the chroots archlinux-keyring, because the old key expired also, try extra-$arch-build to automatically build from a clean chroot Thank you Daniel, That is what happened. I'll

Re: [arch-general] simple trick to make dealing with python 2/3 scripts easier

2012-08-18 Thread Ben Booth
Matthew Monaco dgbale...@0x01b.net wrote: On 08/17/2012 04:14 PM, Ben Booth wrote: Don't know if you did this by accident -- and not a huge deal -- but you shouldn't have included the vote action in the link. Oops, my mistake. In any case, the request was rejected. :(

Re: [arch-general] UPnP server for a arch router

2012-08-18 Thread Alishams Hassam
Hi, I use linux-igd on Debian, the Arch package is at http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=12319 I cannot attest to how well it works on Arch, however I'm sure it's similar. Very easy to set up, just putting the interfaces you want it to listen on, in the conf file and it does the rest. I use