Re: [arch-general] systemd: Disable dhcpcd

2012-08-21 Thread David Hunter
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Simon Perry a...@sanxion.net wrote: I'm using netcfg@eth0.service to configure a static IP, however it seems that systemd insists on starting dhcpcd, and this screws up my resolv.conf. You're probably still using initscripts compatibility, so systemd is loading

Re: [arch-general] kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement: NetworkManager is not running. Please start it.

2012-08-21 Thread Kaushal M
I'm facing the same problem, but the solution doesn't seem to be working for me. I had a *.pacnew only for login in /etc/pam.d, which I renamed. But still the applet refuses to work for me. :( Any other ideas? On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:12 AM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote: On Mon,

Re: [arch-general] grub2 + luks + keyfile

2012-08-21 Thread Adrian Pop
Seems I forgot to add the usb hook. It works now. Thank you for replying and directing my attention towards mkinitcpio.

[arch-general] lib - usr/lib move, glibc and curl

2012-08-21 Thread Christian Hesse
Hello everybody, I just updated an old system and had to go through the lib - usr/lib move. I did an pacman -Syud --ignore glibc and ended in a broken package manager. pacman is linked against libcurl, which is compiled against glibc 2.16.0 and includes versioned symbols. Luckily I had an old

[arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
I've setup a mail server according to arch linux wiki post: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_Virtual_User_Mail_System while everything works without any error, I can send email from roundcube but can't receive any. please tell me what more info you need to help me figure out the problem

Re: [arch-general] lib - usr/lib move, glibc and curl

2012-08-21 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 21.08.2012 10:25, schrieb Christian Hesse: pacman -Syud --ignore glibc and ended in a broken package manager. pacman is linked against libcurl, which is compiled against glibc 2.16.0 and includes versioned symbols. Luckily I had an old curl package around to temporarily fix the problem

Re: [arch-general] lib - usr/lib move, glibc and curl

2012-08-21 Thread Christian Hesse
Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org on Tue, 2012/08/21 10:43: Am 21.08.2012 10:25, schrieb Christian Hesse: pacman -Syud --ignore glibc and ended in a broken package manager. pacman is linked against libcurl, which is compiled against glibc 2.16.0 and includes versioned symbols.

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Nicolás de la Torre
2012/8/21 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com: I've setup a mail server according to arch linux wiki post: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_Virtual_User_Mail_System while everything works without any error, I can send email from roundcube but can't receive any. please tell me what

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
I get no bounce... and no errors at all... here is my mail.log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3pmRGEK5 -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. ( ) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Nicolás de la

Re: [arch-general] lib - usr/lib move, glibc and curl

2012-08-21 Thread Paul Gideon Dann
On Tuesday 21 Aug 2012 11:05:07 Christian Hesse wrote: Oh, the commands in the wiki exclude curl now. Did not notice that. I am fine with the situation, I can deal with these things. Hopefully others will read the wiki. :D For those like me that followed the news article's instructions first

Re: [arch-general] lib - usr/lib move, glibc and curl

2012-08-21 Thread Christian Hesse
Paul Gideon Dann pdgid...@gmail.com on Tue, 2012/08/21 11:01: On Tuesday 21 Aug 2012 11:05:07 Christian Hesse wrote: Oh, the commands in the wiki exclude curl now. Did not notice that. I am fine with the situation, I can deal with these things. Hopefully others will read the wiki. :D

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Jean-Luc Bassereau
Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:44:04 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : I get no bounce... and no errors at all... here is my mail.log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3pmRGEK5 Hello, The MX set for your domain does not seem to answer : # telnet mail.dimitrisze.com 25 Trying

Re: [arch-general] systemd: Disable dhcpcd

2012-08-21 Thread Axilleas Pi
On 08/21/2012 07:54 AM, Simon Perry wrote: Hi all, Today I've set up one of my VPS boxes with systemd after using it for a while on various laptops. I'm using netcfg@eth0.service to configure a static IP, however it seems that systemd insists on starting dhcpcd, and this screws up my

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
well, I run smtps, so try: openssl s_client -connect dimitrisze.com:465 as well ass IMAPS (port 993) -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. ( ) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jean-Luc Bassereau

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Jean-Luc Bassereau
Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:45:38 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : well, I run smtps, so try: openssl s_client -connect dimitrisze.com:465 as well ass IMAPS (port 993) You need to have a MTA listening on port 25, if not, no one would be able to send you email.

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
port 25 is now open and postfix listen to it -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. ( ) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jean-Luc Bassereau j...@onetoserve.netwrote: Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:45:38

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Jean-Luc Bassereau
Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:19:38 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : port 25 is now open and postfix listen to it And is it working now ? Does postfix receive email ?

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
nope :( take a look, /var/log/mail.log: Aug 21 15:21:28 localhost postfix/smtpd[6461]: disconnect from x.google.com[xxx..xxx.xxx] Aug 21 15:21:44 localhost postfix/smtpd[6578]: connect from xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx.example.net[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Aug 21 15:21:44 localhost postfix/smtpd[6578]:

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Jean-Luc Bassereau
Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:54:37 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : nope :( take a look, /var/log/mail.log: Aug 21 15:21:28 localhost postfix/smtpd[6461]: disconnect from x.google.com[xxx..xxx.xxx] Aug 21 15:21:44 localhost postfix/smtpd[6578]: connect from

Re: [arch-general] kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement: NetworkManager is not running. Please start it.

2012-08-21 Thread Martin Zecher
How is your box configured? (initscript or systemd, KDM, etc) In which groups is your user? You shall be in network and networkmanager groups. Is networkmanager running? Does it connect? On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:29 AM, Kaushal M kshlms...@gmail.com wrote: I'm facing the same problem, but

[arch-general] irqbalance: /usr/lib/systemd/system/irqbalance.service exists in filesystem

2012-08-21 Thread Martín Cigorraga
Since yesterday I'm receiving this error message when uprgading the irqbalance systemd service, as this happened again some days ago when upgrading dhcpd systemd service, I follow Tom G. advise and waited for repos to update but this time there were more than 24hs, several mirror changes and the

Re: [arch-general] irqbalance: /usr/lib/systemd/system/irqbalance.service exists in filesystem

2012-08-21 Thread Jesse Juhani Jaara
ti, 2012-08-21 kello 11:36 -0300, Martín Cigorraga kirjoitti: (4/4) checking for file conflicts [---] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) irqbalance: /usr/lib/systemd/system/irqbalance.service exists in filesystem Errors occurred,

Re: [arch-general] irqbalance: /usr/lib/systemd/system/irqbalance.service exists in filesystem

2012-08-21 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
On 21 August 2012 10:36, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: (4/4) checking for file conflicts [---] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) irqbalance: /usr/lib/systemd/system/irqbalance.service exists in filesystem Errors

Re: [arch-general] systemd: Disable dhcpcd

2012-08-21 Thread Simon Perry
On 20/08/12, David Hunter wrote: | Or better yet, install systemd-sysvcompat and say goodbye to sysvinit | completely. Ah, very good - that worked a treat (nice to have a reboot command again too). Cheers. -- Simon Perry (aka Pezz) pgpgFn3qAgjnO.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [arch-general] kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement: NetworkManager is not running. Please start it.

2012-08-21 Thread Kaushal M
I use systemd. NM is running and I have a connection. I am a member of the network group, but I don't have any group called networkmanager. Its only that all the network manager tools (KDE applet, gnome applet, nmcli) fail to communicate with networkmanager. On 21 Aug 2012 19:23, Martin Zecher

Re: [arch-general] lib - usr/lib move, glibc and curl

2012-08-21 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Aug 21, 2012 6:04 AM, Christian Hesse l...@eworm.de wrote: Paul Gideon Dann pdgid...@gmail.com on Tue, 2012/08/21 11:01: On Tuesday 21 Aug 2012 11:05:07 Christian Hesse wrote: Oh, the commands in the wiki exclude curl now. Did not notice that. I am fine with the situation, I can

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Menachem Moystoviz
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Jean-Luc Bassereau j...@onetoserve.net wrote: Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:54:37 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : nope :( take a look, /var/log/mail.log: Aug 21 15:21:28 localhost postfix/smtpd[6461]: disconnect from

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
inbox is empty... :( should I allow IMAP normal? (not SSL) -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. ( ) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Menachem Moystoviz moyst...@g.jct.ac.ilwrote: On Tue, Aug

[arch-general] openldap unit file ignores /etc/conf.d/slapd?

2012-08-21 Thread Geert Hendrickx
I've recently been testing systemd. One issue I encountered is with slapd, the unit file ignores /etc/conf.d/slapd. Is this a bug, or am I supposed to configure cmd line arguments (specially SLAPD_SERVICES) another way with systemd? Geert -- geert.hendrickx.be :: ge...@hendrickx.be

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Jean-Luc Bassereau
Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:17:28 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : inbox is empty... :( should I allow IMAP normal? (not SSL) what does your logfile says about the email we sent ?

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
O.o nothing! WTF? On Aug 22, 2012 12:12 AM, Jean-Luc Bassereau j...@onetoserve.net wrote: Le Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:17:28 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : inbox is empty... :( should I allow IMAP normal? (not SSL) what does your logfile says about the email we sent ?

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Jean-Luc Bassereau
Le Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:39:27 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com a écrit : O.o nothing! WTF? Can you try to grep my t...@test.com in your logfile ?

Re: [arch-general] dovecot postfix + mysql

2012-08-21 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
yes, you were right :P ug 21 16:46:19 localhost postfix/smtpd[12628]: connect from oiujoidjwiodjwodij.net[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Aug 21 16:47:16 localhost postfix/trivial-rewrite[12643]: warning: do not list domain dimitrisze.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains Aug 21 16:47:16

Re: [arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 Aug 2012 06:42, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia archli...@ishpeck.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 09:29:26PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'.

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Ionut Biru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: with or without this poll, we are continuing with our plan. That's exactly what you should do, if your objective is to loose users; ignore them. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Patrick Murphy
What alternative to systemd would you rather see? It makes things much easier for the developers and if you don't like it you can fork arch into your own disro. Besides relocating a changing some config files, systemd is not going to have a noticeable impact on more than a few users. It offers

Re: [arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

2012-08-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:06:46AM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: Could those receiving these emails please speak out? I haven't, for one. Not that much can be done about it.. I have received about 30 of them, all from 74.63.112.146. Someone loves you :-) I got only 3 :-( Ciao, -- FA

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On 22 Aug 2012 07:22, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Ionut Biru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: with or without this poll, we are continuing with our plan. That's exactly what you should do, if your objective is to loose users; ignore them.

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: What alternative to systemd would you rather see? systemd is the alternative, the standard has been initscripts for decades. Now that distributions are switching to systemd they are starting to see boot problems that

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Alexandre Ferrando
On 22 August 2012 01:40, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: What alternative to systemd would you rather see? systemd is the alternative, the standard has been initscripts for decades. Now that

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Patrick Murphy
Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better? I'm newish to Unix style operating systems On Aug 21, 2012 4:40 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: What alternative to

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote: no flexibility is lost by moving to systemd, and really, much more gained: wider userbase, wider testbase, simple units to write, simple units to read, loosely coupled ordering, implicit dependencies, Grand Unified

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: Even with udev moving into systemd, an individual on the systemd mailing list has already stated his desire to finally be rid of udev altogether. He considers it an abomination. Who is this member? It seems I joined

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Alexandre Ferrando alfer...@gmail.com wrote: And sysvinit didn't have those when it began? Come on. I don't know, I probably wasn't born yet, and probably there weren't even computers before. But supposing there was something before, I'm sure the people that

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better? I'm newish to Unix style operating systems As I said; they are tried-and-true since *decades*, all the problems have been ironed out by slow small

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
On 22.08.2012 01:56, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: Even with udev moving into systemd, an individual on the systemd mailing list has already stated his desire to finally be rid of udev altogether. He considers it an

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200 Felipe

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better? I'm newish to Unix style operating systems As I said; they

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: Even with udev moving into systemd, an individual on the systemd mailing list has already stated his desire to finally be rid of udev

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
On 22.08.2012 02:10, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better? I'm newish to Unix style operating systems As I said; they are tried-and-true since *decades*, all

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better? I'm newish to Unix style operating systems As I said; they

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com wrote: On 22.08.2012 02:10, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better? I'm newish to Unix

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: Even with udev moving into systemd, an individual on the

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: So if it works for you, it will surely work for *everybody* else. I have seen this argument so many times that I'm starting to worry about the rationality of Arch Linux users and developers. Yes, it's good to

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Florian Scandella
On 22/08/12 03:03, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: So if it works for you, it will surely work for *everybody* else. I have seen this argument so many times that I'm starting to worry about the rationality of

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
On 22.08.2012 02:48, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com wrote: On 22.08.2012 02:10, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give me a brief explanation as to why

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Jason Ryan
On 22/08/12 at 04:23am, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: On 22.08.2012 02:48, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com wrote: On 22.08.2012 02:10, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy theger...@gmail.com

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-21 Thread Curtis Shimamoto
On 08/22/12 at 02:06am, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Alexandre Ferrando alfer...@gmail.com wrote: And sysvinit didn't have those when it began? Come on. I don't know, I probably wasn't born yet, and probably there weren't even computers before. But supposing

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Leon Feng
2012/8/22 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote: no flexibility is lost by moving to systemd, and really, much more gained: wider userbase, wider testbase, simple units to write, simple units to read, loosely

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-21 Thread Myra Nelson
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: Even with udev moving into systemd, an individual on the systemd mailing list has already stated his desire to finally be rid of udev