Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 schrieb Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com: I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough audience. Some of you have probably already noticed that systemd 189 now

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 07:59:52AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 schrieb Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com: I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough audience.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Ike Devolder
Op maandag 27 augustus 2012 07:59:52 schreef Heiko Baums: Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 schrieb Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com: I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough audience. Some

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 schrieb Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com: I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough audience. Some of you have probably

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a?singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 08:24:21AM +0200, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:15:39 -0400 schrieb Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com: I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed on IRC, but that of course

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 17:15:39 -0400, Dave Reisner wrote: Hi, I apologize for this being somewhat after-the-fact. It was discussed on IRC, but that of course doesn't necessarily cater to a wide enough audience. Some of you have probably already noticed that systemd 189 now provides,

[arch-general] khugepaged hangs and filesystem unresponsive

2012-08-27 Thread pants
Good evening, I just experienced a major problem with my system while listening to a music file in mpd from an xfs filesystem over a mdadm raid6. A kernel error was thrown, with the following error.log entry: output: /var/log/error.log Aug 26 23:34:50 localhost kernel: [283781.061258] xhci_hcd

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Geert Hendrickx ge...@hendrickx.be wrote: A systemd upgrade question (not related to this particular update), do you generally need to reboot when systemd is upgraded? In general, it is probably a good idea to reboot after upgrading low-level packages. In the

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Nobody is forcing systemd on anybody. Wasn't it this what was always said by the devs in all those long threads about systemd? And what are you doing now? Isn't this not forcing it on everybody? No one were forcing

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:48:48 +0200 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Since the above quoted statement was made, a decision was taken to move to systemd by default, so it clearly no longer applies. While you are still free to use initscripts, at some point other packages are likely to depend

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 27, 2012 10:32 AM, Joakim Hernberg j...@alchemy.lu wrote: Please support our traditional initscripts as long as possible, I will. I just don't know how long that will be, so people should prepare to move. Tom

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 27.08.2012 10:32, schrieb Joakim Hernberg: On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:48:48 +0200 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Since the above quoted statement was made, a decision was taken to move to systemd by default, so it clearly no longer applies. While you are still free to use initscripts, at

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:48:32 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: But this only concerns the booting itself. As consolekit is unmaintained, polkit will soon depend on systemd. The next Gnome version will require systemd - more to come. I don't run gnome, but kde is just as bad in

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Jakob Herrmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, \begin{quote} But this only concerns the booting itself. As consolekit is unmaintained, polkit will soon depend on systemd. The next Gnome version will require systemd - more to come \end{quote} Isn't it possible to start systemd daemon-like

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:30:46 +0200 schrieb Joakim Hernberg j...@alchemy.lu: I don't run gnome, but kde is just as bad in this case :( Try Xfce. ;-) Heiko

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-27 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Am 23.08.2012 16:10, schrieb Tobias Powalowski: Hi guys, 3.5.x is not yet ready to move to [core], - ext4 regression is not fixed yet, will be fixed in 3.5.3 - watchdogs are completely broken I'm not sure how much of a showstopper the watchdogs are, so please shout out if this is a real

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Stephen E. Baker
On 27/08/2012 9:39 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:30:46 +0200 schrieb Joakim Hernberg j...@alchemy.lu: I don't run gnome, but kde is just as bad in this case :( Try Xfce. ;-) http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/consolekit/ would suggest that xfce is not safe in this

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Lukas Jirkovsky
On 27 August 2012 10:40, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Aug 27, 2012 10:32 AM, Joakim Hernberg j...@alchemy.lu wrote: Please support our traditional initscripts as long as possible, I will. I just don't know how long that will be, so people should prepare to move. Tom I can help (or

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-27 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:34:18 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 23.08.2012 18:29, schrieb Geert Hendrickx: Since upgrading to 3.5.x, my system with mdraid mirror boots with either a degraded RAID array, or not auto-discovering the RAID at all. The disks are fine, confirmed by both SMART

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-27 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 27.08.2012 17:50, schrieb Geert Hendrickx: On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 18:34:18 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 23.08.2012 18:29, schrieb Geert Hendrickx: Since upgrading to 3.5.x, my system with mdraid mirror boots with either a degraded RAID array, or not auto-discovering the RAID at all.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Lukas Jirkovsky l.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: I can help (or at least try to) with support for initscripts Anyone who wants to help, please join arch-proje...@archlinux.org, review patches, use initscripts from git/testing and report problems. if it's going to

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-27 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 18:06:05 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Can you run add 'break=premount' to the kernel command line and try to get some mdadm output? I don't know exactly what to look for, but maybe try to assemble the array with verbose output. By using break=premount, you hook into the

[arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

2012-08-27 Thread Jameson
Updating xf86-video-intel to 2.20.5 today results in my DRM driver hanging when I try to use compiz. Has anyone else seen this, or am I just lucky with my hardware configuration? Does anyone know of something new that got turned on by default in this version that could result in this: Aug 27

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

2012-08-27 Thread Andre Goree
On 08/27/2012 01:03 PM, Jameson wrote: Updating xf86-video-intel to 2.20.5 today results in my DRM driver hanging when I try to use compiz. Has anyone else seen this, or am I just lucky with my hardware configuration? Does anyone know of something new that got turned on by default in this

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

2012-08-27 Thread Laurent Carlier
Le lundi 27 août 2012 13:03:16 Jameson a écrit : I'll be happy to post more information, and/or a bug later if that will be helpful. For now, I need to get caught back up at work. Thanks, =-Jameson It's better to open a bug report, with: * dmesg output * Xorg log output * lspci output *

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

2012-08-27 Thread Tobias Jansson
Hello. I run the Asus Zenbook UX31E sporting a Intel HD 3000. For me the upgrade posed no issues. It won't help you fix your problems, but at least other users could try upgrading knowing that not all users have issues. Regards, Tobias

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video-intel-2.20.5

2012-08-27 Thread Andre Goree
On 08/27/2012 03:13 PM, Tobias Jansson wrote: Hello. I run the Asus Zenbook UX31E sporting a Intel HD 3000. For me the upgrade posed no issues. It won't help you fix your problems, but at least other users could try upgrading knowing that not all users have issues. Regards, Tobias

Re: [arch-general] linux-3.5.x status

2012-08-27 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 27.08.2012 18:41, schrieb Geert Hendrickx: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 18:06:05 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Can you run add 'break=premount' to the kernel command line and try to get some mdadm output? I don't know exactly what to look for, but maybe try to assemble the array with verbose

[arch-general] kde and systemd [was Re: [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package]

2012-08-27 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Monday 27 Aug 2012 11:30:46 AM Joakim Hernberg wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:48:32 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: But this only concerns the booting itself. As consolekit is unmaintained, polkit will soon depend on systemd. The next Gnome version will require systemd

Re: [arch-general] simple trick to make dealing with python 2/3 scripts easier

2012-08-27 Thread Patrick Murphy
Thank you Ben, people who follow up on an issue they have found a solution for are good people. On Aug 23, 2012 1:35 PM, Ben Booth bwbo...@lbl.gov wrote: Ben Booth wrote: In case anyone's still interested in this, I found a pacman.conf option called NoExtract, which lets you tell pacman not

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Sujith
Thomas Bächler wrote: Please support our traditional initscripts as long as possible, as I for one really don't look forwards to systemd, at least not at this point in time. Reasons excluded to avoid yet another flamefest...:( If you search the archives, you will notice that longer

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] merging systemd back to a singular package

2012-08-27 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
On Monday 27 Aug 2012 11:30:46 Joakim Hernberg wrote: I don't run gnome, but kde is just as bad in this case :( I use KDE regularly. It works perfectly fine with/without pulseaudio. (Actually since archlinux does not install pulseaudio by default, I did not notice it was not installed for a