Re: [arch-general] courier-maildrop package failed installation

2012-09-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 04:32 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: I tried that delivery agent and authgen library failed to install and later I couldn't get it started. Fortunately procmail posed no similar problems on installation. Is courier-maildrop not supported for amd64 k8 athelon machines?

Re: [arch-general] ABS and pacman

2012-09-27 Thread Manolo Martínez
Thanks everyone for the illuminating responses. IgnorePackage and IgnoreGroup seem to be what I need, after all. Cheers, Manolo On 09/26/12 at 09:10am, gt wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 02:09:59PM -0400, Manolo Martínez wrote: Hello, I've just had a minor hiccup, because one of the

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 26/09/12 21:35, Allan McRae wrote: I am invoking the easy way to end flamewars... This mailing list will be shut down for the next 24 hours. Any messages sent to the list will go to /dev/null. Once the list is reinstated, I will automatically ban any person who sends an email that is

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote: And we are back... Sir, you've got some yarbles. IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general. What about if we would split this list up into a list for technical questions

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Jakob Herrmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Full ack, although I have the feeling that critical discussion is something what (at least some) devs/admins want to avoid within the community. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla -

[arch-general] fglrx driver doesn't work

2012-09-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) the fglrx driver doesn't work. Perhaps I missed a typo or some settings are bad or are missing. IIUC RS690 is supported by the current driver. I added the output of # grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log # hwinfo --gfxcard # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf the versions of catalyst-hook, catalyst-utils

Re: [arch-general] fglrx driver doesn't work

2012-09-27 Thread Jameson
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Model: ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] The X1200 series is no longer supported by current Catalyst drivers. You will need to use a legacy driver, or the open source driver. =-Jameson

Re: [arch-general] fglrx driver doesn't work

2012-09-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:02:15 +0200, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Model: ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] The X1200 series is no longer supported by current Catalyst drivers. You will need to use a legacy

[arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, As the move to systemd is under way, and we will soon have packages in our repos that require your system to be booted with systemd, I thought this would be a good time to summarize the state of sysvinit/initscripts in Arch and their future. Abstract: I think the current state is

[arch-general] Re: Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general. The problem is not that arch-general is the wrong place for the latter threads. Users are correct to think such discussion should happen here. The problem is that maintainers,

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: The problem is not at the general mailing list but at the dev mailing list side. archlinux-dev is for contributors and as long somebody is just a user he should have read-only

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 04:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Instead of fragmenting more the mailing lists with the hope of putting poor contributions out of place for advanced users, let enter the technical oriented users into the dev mailing list. I don't

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: Switching back from nouveau doesn't work - Was: Proprietary nvidia driver for different kernels

2012-09-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
However, I try to get rid of the NVIDIA card. I will remove it and check if Linux nowadays is able to enable 3D support for the on-board ATI Radeon X1250-based graphics. Just thought I'd give a heads up that a major overhaul of nouveau apparently including knowledge gained from the last few

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general. The problem is not that arch-general is the wrong place for the latter threads. Users are correct

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:28 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there seems to be more helpful comments and less trolling than in the general list - just an observation - maybe that is because the forums are split into a

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: As it was mentioned a couple times on the list, the forums have moderators. If you don't behave, you get banned, threads get closed etc. OK - it seems to work - when I get frustrated with the mailling list I go

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Tom, I had no time to read the complete mail, I'll do it ASAP. Is it possible to configure pacman to upgrade initscripts and related packages only from testing, but no other packages? Regards, Ralf

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
initscripts-git-20120927-c67d598-any.pkg.tar.xz Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:19:31 +0200 Tobias Frilling tob...@frilling-online.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote: And we are back... Sir, you've got some yarbles. IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too,

Re: [arch-general] fglrx driver doesn't work

2012-09-27 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:13:00 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:02:15 +0200, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Model: ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] The X1200

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100 mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet? -- Joakim

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 09:44 PM, Øyvind Heggstad wrote: I can only see two things that can really help slow down/stop/revert the spiral: 1) Moderation. Get rid of the serial trollers/flamers 2) Get more devs and good people to join and be active. For

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Joakim Hernberg j...@alchemy.lu wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100 mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet?

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Bigby James anokn...@gmail.com wrote: Please, please /please/ don't recommend spin-offs as Arch Lite or Arch Made Easy or anything like that. Neither Manjaro nor Chakra are closely related to Arch, and giving folks the impression that they are just leads them

Re: [arch-general] Laptop auto shudown

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM, 大熊 bearspr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a fresh installed laptop, DE is lxde. It is a clean system, no more tweak. Recently I found a strange problem: after I close the lid about 5 minutes, laptop will shutdown itself! I donot remeber I have do some setting

Re: [arch-general] Fonts larger after suspend

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
hi guys, I'm sorry for necrobumping this thread but I have an idea that may work for Michael to debug his issue: Michael: how do you suspend your system? If you use pm-utils please do a man to learn about the special settings pm-utils provide to deal with some of the glitches you may found while

Re: [arch-general] Laptop auto shudown

2012-09-27 Thread bjsch...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM, 大熊 bearspr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a fresh installed laptop, DE is lxde. It is a clean system, no more tweak. Recently I found a strange problem: after I close the lid about 5

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Bigby James anokn...@gmail.com wrote: Please, please /please/ don't recommend spin-offs as Arch Lite or Arch Made Easy or anything like that. Neither Manjaro nor Chakra are closely

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also agree with all the following emails. Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, thanks for that. I only want to add an observation to what was already said: Tipically all this

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
@mike +1, you described an Arch install as it's actually is, well done!

Re: [arch-general] Laptop auto shudown

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
My laptop will automatically shut down when it overheats (it's a good way of telling me that I just blocked the air vent), so I'm guessing that's what you're seeing. Don't test it too much if you're on a Macbook, I hear they can melt when overheating with a closed lid! - Bryan Oh, I just

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread phani
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 00:54:21 +0530, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: ... So all in all this seems to me very much in the spirit of The Arch Way and was not too much of a learning curve. Yes for someone inexperienced in using linux this would take a whole lot longer. However I

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 03:48:06PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: I intend to maintain initscripts in the official repos as long as this makes sense. However, for this to be viable, I think we would need at least one capable and active initscripts developer who is interested in helping out and

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 05:32:08PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote: We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who: [1 ... 6] A as user I can subscribe to this 100%, also to your conclusions. -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:24:21PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: There seems to be quite a lot of fuss about the installer - however I have installed arch on a laptop two days ago that was running a non-arch distro until then - I have to say that once I had done the necessary reading so that I

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread Philipp Kiersch
On 09/27/2012 11:23 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: Having done a few installs with the new system I can confirm this, and I must say do like it and prefer it over the previous 'automatic' installer. It's much more open and you know exactly what's happening. It may scare off some novices, but otoh

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: A question about this: apart from changes such as those required to accomodate systemd or the /lib to /usr/lib migration, _what_ is actually involved in the day-to-day maintenance of initscripts ? In other words, what

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread 1007380
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 09:23:04PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:24:21PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: There seems to be quite a lot of fuss about the installer - however I have installed arch on a laptop two days ago that was running a non-arch distro until then -

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread Jude DaShiell
One thing I like about the current arch install methodology is that it's incremental. If you don't have time to finish the install in one sitting all you need do is remember which step last completed then start up the computer and carry on from there at some later time. Since alternatives

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread G. Schlisio
-remove initscripts from the repos -no more developement in git and on arch-project ML I don't see the benefit of doing that quickly, but if that's what you guys want, it is fine with me. I would be in favor of initscripts dying a natural death. some people are stuck with initscripts for a

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Daniel Wallace
G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote: -remove initscripts from the repos -no more developement in git and on arch-project ML I don't see the benefit of doing that quickly, but if that's what you guys want, it is fine with me. I would be in favor of initscripts dying a natural death. some