Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread Bardur Arantsson
On 07/03/2015 04:31 PM, Tobias Hunger wrote: To be fair: There is more to here than Unix philosophy and I hate Lennart. STOP! Can we please end this discussion now? This no longer has anything to do with Arch Linux and is just spam (for this list) at this point. I'm sure people who are

Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread Tobias Hunger
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 1:10 PM, LoneVVolf lonew...@xs4all.nl wrote: This blog post gives the best description of systemd flaws i am aware of : http://judecnelson.blogspot.fi/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html That is one of the worst descriptions of problems in systemd that I am aware of:-)

Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread Geoff
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:51:21 +0200 Bardur Arantsson s...@scientician.net wrote: snip STOP! Although I find the discussion interesting, I have watched with growing amazement. As I recall, this list became moderated due to the furore when systemd was introduced, and I doubt that Lennart himself

Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Jul 3, 2015 6:10 AM, LoneVVolf lonew...@xs4all.nl wrote: Some general comments : - Openrc is a replacement for sysv init, not an addition. OpenRC runs on SysV Init last I checked, as OpenRC is just highly polished initscripts. How is that a replacement instead of an addition? - openrc

Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread Yaro Kasear
I can't overtly fault the logic in that blog post for the most part. However he does still basically toe the Unix philosophy line (Talking about modularity and such.) The thing that bothers me most about this document though is how he dismisses systemd's legitimate, if not unique, features as

Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread Mike Cloaked
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Geoff capstho...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:51:21 +0200 Bardur Arantsson s...@scientician.net wrote: snip STOP! Although I find the discussion interesting, I have watched with growing amazement. As I recall, this list became moderated due to

Re: [arch-general] OpenRC is OK on Arch (was Re: systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC)

2015-07-03 Thread David Kaylor
I have more stuff to do. So instead of saying what has been said thousands of times (and I'm afraid I've done that already) have some rants you might not know yet: Then please go and do your other stuff and stop cluttering up this mailing list with your irrelevant and barely coherent

[arch-general] OpenRC is OK on Arch (was Re: systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC)

2015-07-03 Thread jmcf125
Wow, I really didn't expect such a discussion. I mean, I don't like systemd, but what I had was a technical problem (along with a bunch of opinions, I'll give you that). I have solved it, and would have before if I could search the web better... As LoneVVolf lonew...@xs4all.nl has thankfully

Re: [arch-general] vps2arch - The fastest way to convert a VPS to Arch Linux!

2015-07-03 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Hello Timothy, On 02.07.2015 18:12, Timothy M. Redaelli wrote: Hi, I wrote a simple script that allows you to convert (almost) any VPS to Arch Linux. interesting tool. I have added a simple entry about it to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_existing_Linux#Automated now.

Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread Henrik Danielsson
2015-07-03 6:45 GMT+02:00 Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net: I wouldn't mind some spiritual successor to systemd where its entire purpose is to be init, without sacrificing some of the more useful/powerful features like cgroups, concurrency, and the like. Systemd went wrong when it started going

Re: [arch-general] systemd new dependencies impede using OpenRC

2015-07-03 Thread LoneVVolf
Some general comments : - Openrc is a replacement for sysv init, not an addition. - openrc has it's own equivalent of .service files, they are simpler then systemd servicefiles - my personal opinion about openrc is that it's not mature enough yet for majority of linux users to replace