Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread LoneVVolf
On 11-02-16 17:12, João Miguel wrote: now there are no AUR packages for OpenRC. You are wrong, please be more specific. This is current situation: - run AL without using systemd as PID1 / init system : Aur and AL wiki have everything you need for that. You will still have systemd installed

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread João Miguel
> >now there are no AUR packages for OpenRC. > You are wrong, please be more specific. Sorry, I mean Artoo's way is no longer available in the AUR. openrc-core and all init srcipts he posted are gone (because of the bad community pressure, which was my point). > This is current situation: > > -

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Henrik Danielsson
> > It's ok now not because of the wiki and the AUR, but thanks to the > existence of systemd-free.org. It had to be created because of the > above, which would'nt have happened with a better community. So far I've not seen anyone in this thread, or in the replies by Poettering referenced by

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread João Miguel
> > It's ok now not because of the wiki and the AUR, but thanks to the > > existence of systemd-free.org. It had to be created because of the > > above, which would'nt have happened with a better community. > > So far I've not seen anyone in this thread, or in the replies by Poettering >

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread João Miguel
I had asked Nous and Artoo whether it was worth placing those packages back in the AUR, and they said it wasn't, so I gave up. But maybe systemd-free.org can be referred instead of the AUR. About "the right way", I'm not sure it's true, for example, the Wiki lists at least 3 ways to use an nvidia

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Maxwell Anselm
> Someone already talked about putting it back in the forums. They were > turned down because of those points («no reason for 2 methods», etc.). > This among other things (which are evident in any discussion in Arch > about OpenRC) signals a bad community. When it comes to Linux there are often

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Henrik Danielsson
> > > > when the (in MHO excellent) choice to package systemd by default has > > already been made and it works perfectly well? > I never said systemd shouldn't be packaged by default! Apologies, poor wording on my part. That wasn't meant to imply you ever did. I understood you wanted an

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Toyam Cox
I feel it pertinent to point out that a different rolling-release distrobution ( http://www.voidlinux.eu/ ) does not use systemd, openrc, or sysvinit. Void Linux uses runit exclusively, and thus patches projects like KDE4 and Gnome3 to work without systemd (I don't mention KDE5 since nobody has

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Bardur Arantsson
On 02/12/2016 11:50 PM, Toyam Cox wrote: > I feel it pertinent to point out that a different rolling-release > distrobution ( http://www.voidlinux.eu/ ) does not use systemd, openrc, or > sysvinit. Void Linux uses runit exclusively, and thus patches projects like > KDE4 and Gnome3 to work without

Re: [arch-general] Alternative init system proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Chao Feng
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:12:24 PM CST João Miguel wrote: > > I agree with you, the devs have more work to do, etc., but the cause of > these never-ending discussions must be pointed out: community attitude. > Bear with me for a moment: > > OpenRC was working fine in Arch. Artoo's way was