Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread Techlive Zheng
Florian, I love it, the tool itself is a break-through, just depends how we use it properly. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:43 AM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) < pelzflor...@pelzflorian.de> wrote: > On 07/10/2016 08:43 PM, Bennett Piater wrote: > > Thanks for your reply. > > That would be the best you

Re: [arch-general] arch-general Digest, Vol 141, Issue 16

2016-07-10 Thread Information Technology Works
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Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
On 07/10/2016 08:43 PM, Bennett Piater wrote: > Thanks for your reply. > That would be the best you could do on the Arch side, but the problem is > mostly that every upstream dev would need to maintain and keep his > container up to date, isn't it? :) > pacpak is not meant to redistribute

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread Bennett Piater
On 07/10/2016 02:18 PM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > The intention is that, once implemented, `pacpak -Syu` or maybe `pacpak > -Su` will install a current version of all apps and runtimes. Old > versions of apps and app runtimes that are not used by any app could be > cleaned by `pacpak

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
On 07/10/2016 03:22 PM, Mauro Santos via arch-general wrote: > Personally I'd rather keep using the good old packages _but_ it would be > nice to have an official tool to manage/run/create flatpak packages, > this just to make sure that in case one needs to use a flatpak package > nothing will

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
On 07/10/2016 04:45 PM, Levente Polyak wrote: > We, as the Security Team, are strongly against any move to officially > ship bundles that manage their dependency versions itself instead of > regular software builds. > […] With pacpak, it will be the user’s responsibility to update the bundles

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread Levente Polyak
On 07/10/2016 11:05 AM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > [...] Bundles ship with the version > of their dependencies which they need. Dependencies are not > force-upgraded with the operating system, but easily upgradable by the > bundle creator. We, as the Security Team, are strongly against

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On 07/10/16 at 01:59pm, LoneVVolf wrote: > IF flatpak is to become supported on AL, i'd prefer pacman to handle it > instead of a separate application. flatpak is packaged in [extra], which for me means that it is indeed supported. > > My personal preference though is for AL community to treat

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread Mauro Santos via arch-general
On 10-07-2016 13:18, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > Hello, > > On 07/10/2016 01:59 PM, LoneVVolf wrote: >> My personal preference though is for AL community to treat flatpak >> similar as derivative distros. >> >> something like : flatpak is unsupported on Arch linux, ask the flatpak >>

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
Hello, On 07/10/2016 12:52 PM, Bennett Piater wrote: > Are you planning to address the catastrophy that ensues when 5000 > different versions of important libraries are installed at the same > time, most of which will always be 5 critical security updates behind? > The intention is that, once

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
Hello, On 07/10/2016 01:59 PM, LoneVVolf wrote: > My personal preference though is for AL community to treat flatpak > similar as derivative distros. > > something like : flatpak is unsupported on Arch linux, ask the flatpak > creator(s) for help. Hm… If there is not that much desire to support

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread LoneVVolf
IF flatpak is to become supported on AL, i'd prefer pacman to handle it instead of a separate application. My personal preference though is for AL community to treat flatpak similar as derivative distros. something like : flatpak is unsupported on Arch linux, ask the flatpak creator(s) for

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread Tomasz Kramkowski via arch-general
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:52:04PM +0200, Bennett Piater wrote: > I am very cynical about this container trend... :/ That's exactly the right attitude. -- Tomasz Kramkowski | GPG: 40B037BA0A5B8680 | Web: https://the-tk.com/

Re: [arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread Bennett Piater
> A specter is haunting the GNU/Linux ecosystem: the specter of per-user > containerization. Software like Flatpak and Snappy promise fully > sandboxed GNU/Linux application bundles (instead of merely launching an > application with fewer privileges but without hiding the operating > system, like

Re: [arch-general] Warning! Upgrading QupZilla to 2.x might cause loss of data

2016-07-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 10:01:38 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >this doesn't restore speed dial. Most likely it's possible to get back everything, but perhaps I didn't notice all issues, perhaps I don't use some features. The latest comments at https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla/issues/2026 :

[arch-general] Announcing pacpak

2016-07-10 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
Hello, A specter is haunting the GNU/Linux ecosystem: the specter of per-user containerization. Software like Flatpak and Snappy promise fully sandboxed GNU/Linux application bundles (instead of merely launching an application with fewer privileges but without hiding the operating system, like

Re: [arch-general] Warning! Upgrading QupZilla to 2.x might cause loss of data

2016-07-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2016-07-10 at 10:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > $ mv .config/qupzilla/profiles/default/browsedata-backup(1).db > .config/qupzilla/profiles/default/browsedata.db $ mv .config/qupzilla/profiles/default/browsedata-backup\(1\).db .config/qupzilla/profiles/default/browsedata.db

[arch-general] Warning! Upgrading QupZilla to 2.x might cause loss of data

2016-07-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, to get back the history run $ mv .config/qupzilla/profiles/default/browsedata-backup(1).db .config/qupzilla/profiles/default/browsedata.db but this doesn't restore speed dial. Perhaps it also does not restore other data. I opened an issue: https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla/issues/2026