Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Marc Ranolfi via arch-general
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 9:36 PM Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: > > But regardless, we very explicitly wanted to *not* use the name "base" > for recommendations, because it does not make clear that it is in fact > recommendations. > > So the choices were either get rid of the base group and

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base`, package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em outubro 10, 2019 17:06 John Crist via arch-general escreveu: I've submitted `base-extras` to the AUR at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/base-extras/ that contains the missing packages from `base` if someone REALLY wants it. And I have removed it. Following the same criteria, I've

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Nero Claudius Drusus via arch-general
I want to clarify that I didn't mean "man" requires an internet connection. Arch does and uses the wiki. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 7:49 PM Nero Claudius Drusus wrote: > Let's face the facts. Man is superfluous for most people learning how to > install Arch, especially since it forces you to have an

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/10/19 9:00 PM, Nero Claudius Drusus via arch-general wrote: > I've been following this discussion and can't see what the actual problem > is. I've installed a new system since the change and the installation doc's > have been updated appropriately. It still works. If you want extra packages

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Nero Claudius Drusus via arch-general
I've been following this discussion and can't see what the actual problem is. I've installed a new system since the change and the installation doc's have been updated appropriately. It still works. If you want extra packages then add them, this, in my opinion, is what Arch is designed to do. I'm

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/10/19 7:01 AM, pete via arch-general wrote: > Never mind Ed Vi Assemblers yes all very fancyfull > hows about you just include joe far easier wordstar commands no mess just > worksthe very first thing i ever do install joe best editor of the lot . I have never heard of "joe". I

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Ram Kumar via arch-general
I am sorry if this is a repeated/dumb question. What exactly does the base package have? I.e. if i install only base "pacstrap /mnt base", then what stuff will i get in it? Knowing this i can decide what stuff i have to install in addition.

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 10/10/19 7:14 AM, Jonathan Steel via arch-general wrote: > I think we should have created a "minimal" group rather than repurposing > the base one. Then as a separate issue to tackle, add "kernel" and "editor" > etc to the base group which would prompt the user to choose, or if >

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Marc Ranolfi via arch-general
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 8:14 AM Jonathan Steel via arch-general wrote: > > I think we should have created a "minimal" group rather than repurposing > the base one. Then as a separate issue to tackle, add "kernel" and "editor" > etc to the base group which would prompt the user to choose, or if >

[arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base`, package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread John Crist via arch-general
I've submitted `base-extras` to the AUR at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/base-extras/ that contains the missing packages from `base` if someone REALLY wants it.

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Jonathan Steel via arch-general
I think we should have created a "minimal" group rather than repurposing the base one. Then as a separate issue to tackle, add "kernel" and "editor" etc to the base group which would prompt the user to choose, or if non-interactive install the first listed. -- Jonathan Steel Trusted User

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread pete via arch-general
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 10:44:08 +0100 Andy Pieters wrote: > On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 10:41, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > > > Hi Greg, > > > > > Maybe I'm just old > > ... > > > everyone should learn at least a few vi commands > > ... > > > I still makes me uncomfortable knowing it isn't

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Andy Pieters
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 10:41, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > > Maybe I'm just old > ... > > everyone should learn at least a few vi commands > ... > > I still makes me uncomfortable knowing it isn't installed by default. > > Not old enough! Everyone should just learn ed(1). :-) > ed?

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Greg, > Maybe I'm just old ... > everyone should learn at least a few vi commands ... > I still makes me uncomfortable knowing it isn't installed by default. Not old enough! Everyone should just learn ed(1). :-) -- Cheers, Ralph.

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Greg Land via arch-general
Maybe I'm just old but not having a text editor by default in the rootfs seems wrong. I had a professor once say everyone should learn at least a few vi commands because "no matter what distro/ flavor of Unix you have to deal with vi will always be there". I admit one hundred percent that it

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Óscar García Amor via arch-general
El jue., 10 oct. 2019 a las 4:27, Ram Kumar via arch-general () escribió: > > Hi, i am not clear why the base group is being replaced.. i searched in > wiki and couldnt get a clear idea why. Could anyone plz explain? Yes. There is a plan to replace all package groups with metapackages? --

Re: [arch-general] `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required

2019-10-10 Thread Ram Kumar via arch-general
> A good explanation in installation page could solve that. Yeah this is what we need..