Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Dropping bluez4

2013-11-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.org wrote: I've done some work and research on bluez lately. I can confirm my adapters to work with bluez 5.10 and gnome-bluetooth (connecting to headset + smartphone) that has already moved to extra. I couldn't make it work with

Re: [arch-general] Issue with systemd --user services

2013-09-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:45 AM, John Davis davi...@gmail.com wrote: Can you show us the unitfile for the service as well. ie. mpd.service I assume. It would be in /lib/systemd/system or /etc/systemd/system sub dirs or one of the ones beneath these two dirs. As is shown in the 'status'

Re: [arch-general] Quo vadis, systemd user session?

2013-09-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Tobias Frilling tob...@frilling-online.de wrote: So my first questions are: Is this something a sane person would do? Is there a more elegant way without installing more 3rd party software? Do I need to i involve logind in some way? systemd --user is meant

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] systemd 207 and btrfs

2013-09-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jameson imntr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Curtis Shimamoto sugar.and.scru...@gmail.com wrote: This is just a shot in the dark, but what if you were to put the necessary modules for btrfs in mkinitcpio.conf's MODULES list to have it

Re: [arch-general] swap not always enabled?

2013-09-14 Thread Tom Gundersen
This is a systemd bug (caused by me), the fix is: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=90060fa6605446bef7078867423b691e4effa575 On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 8:16 PM, phanisvara listm...@phanisvara.com wrote: normally conky tells me that i'm using 0% swap. just now i noticed it

Re: [arch-general] tmpfs 100% /tmp - No space left on device

2013-08-18 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: Notice, though, that if /tmp is getting full and is about the same size as RAM, the system will start swapping well before /tmp is filled, so you'll get no performance gain from building in /tmp because effectively

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Rodrigo Rivas rodrigorivasco...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 01:56:09PM +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: ssh -t remote1 sudo systemctl poweroff exit Technically I guess

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 01:15:28PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: It is correct that systemtl poweroff is synchronous, but using telinit or --no-block will avoid that. Are you sure about telinit ? It was the first thing

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [FYI] systemd 205, cgroup attribute changes

2013-07-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jul 5, 2013 3:40 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 02:44:12PM -0400, Dave Reisner wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 12:48:49PM -0400, Dave Reisner wrote: Hey all, systemd 205

Re: [arch-general] bluetooth

2013-06-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Genes Lists li...@sapience.com wrote: 1) Fully updated from testing repo. As of a couple of days ago (around 3.9.7 kernel) I noticed that bluetooth mouse takes a few seconds to initialize - it used to be almost instant. Strange, this should not have changed.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: Hi Tom, Am 13.05.2013 18:02, schrieb Tom Gundersen: I would like to push Bluez 5 to the repos, and rename Bluez 4 to 'bluez4'. Some things still require Bluez 4, and the two can not be installed together, so this is how I

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [pacman-dev] debug package repositories

2013-04-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
support when it comes to having debug packages in a separate repository. On 15 April 2013 15:00, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Couldn't pacman be fixed to only show debug packages in search results when you ask for it with a switch? Maybe something similar could be done for language packages

Re: [arch-general] mkinitcpio: fsck - Does it actually make sense?

2013-04-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: I'm wondering whether it makes actually sense to include the fsck hook into the initial ramdisk.syt In case your filesystem needs fsck before being mounted (i.e., it is not btrfs), then the sane thing to do is to first fsck

Re: [arch-general] Installing Arch Linux on pure ZFS root

2013-04-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Stanislav Seletskiy s.selets...@gmail.com wrote: In the light of production ready ZoL I've tried to install Arch on pure ZFS root (without additional boot partition) and stuck in problem with GRUB2. Current version of GRUB2 is not detecting ZoL in any way

Re: [arch-general] Upgrade finish in a Kernel Panic - not syncing : no init found

2013-03-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dany De Bontridder dany...@gmail.com wrote: I reinstalled 2 weeks ago arch linux, because a pacman -Syu broke everything. Today, everything works fine and I decide to keep my PC up-to-date, so I run pacman -Syu and I get a message when trying to boot ***

Re: [arch-general] Future of dmraid on nvidia chipsets in Arch?

2013-03-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Is there planned support for existing nvidia based dmraid arrays in Arch, I can only speak for myself, but to the best of my knowledge no Arch devs use dmraid, and upstream appears to be dead. Based on that

Re: [arch-general] UEFI madness

2013-03-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Mika Fischer mika.fisc...@zoopnet.de wrote: itself. Arch would still need to change where the kernels are installed to prevent clobbering the root of the ESP, for instance by installing somewhere in /usr and then calling this tool in post_install() to install

Re: [arch-general] mysqld (MySQL and MariaDB) polling

2013-02-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Christian Hesse l...@eworm.de wrote: based on the thread [RFC] Migration to MariaDB in arch-dev-public by Bartłomiej Piotrowski I started playing with MySQL and MariaDB. I noticed both were polling every second: ... futex resumed ) = -1 ETIMEDOUT

Re: [arch-general] A question about handling a system with two wired network interfaces?

2013-02-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: I will try to fiddle with the service files and get it to work - but clearly at the moment it is non-ideal as this is a server and a remote reboot would currently leave it without a working network connection! I have

Re: [arch-general] A question about handling a system with two wired network interfaces?

2013-02-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Mike, On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: I have a system with two ethernet sockets on the motherboard, and I have until very recently been finding that my network at random failed to come up during the boot process. Just to be clear: the problem is

Re: [arch-general] A question about handling a system with two wired network interfaces?

2013-02-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Mike, Lots of stuff going on, so sorry for not answering inline. * It looks like NetworkManager and dhcpd are stepping on eachother's toes. Maybe you want to disable dhcpd and only use NM? * Any service that cannot deal with network devices appearing or being rename after it is started (is

Re: [arch-general] UTC

2013-02-18 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: after a reboot there always is an offset of -3600 sec, when running ntpdate. # timedatectl status | grep local RTC in local TZ: yes Warning: The RTC is configured to maintain time in the local time zone. This

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Add Wayland/Weston

2013-02-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: I'm totally missing something here since I haven't found Wayland as a required dependency for libgdk-3 on the other two distributions I was working with. I guess what you are missing is the fact that wayland is optional

Re: [arch-general] Status of BlueZ update

2013-02-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 04.02.2013 19:01, schrieb Karol Babioch: Hi, by now BlueZ 5.2 has already been released. I'm wondering what the current status for the package on Archlinux is. I've found this (see [1]) status report over on

Re: [arch-general] powernow-k8 fails to load with linux 3.7.2

2013-01-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: I just installed linux 3.7.2 from [testing] on an AMD system and noticed that powernow-k8 is not loaded. Probably due to this:

Re: [arch-general] mkinitcpio/fsck.btrfs

2013-01-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Arno, On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: HOOKS=base udev autodetect block lvm2 filesystems fsck usr usbinput shutdown modconf When # mkinitcpio, I get this error: - Running build hook: [fsck] == ERROR: file not found: `fsck.btrfs' ==

Re: [arch-general] SeaMonkey outdated. Critical security holes in the current version!

2013-01-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: The only alternative would be to drop the package at all. It has only been marked out-of-date for one week, so don't despair yet :-) Notice that the package was recently dropped from [extra] to [community].

Re: [arch-general] Encryption passphrase has to be entered twice

2013-01-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: Has anyone experienced something like this already? What might be the problem here? I have noticed that it sometimes takes some time (~1 second) before the keyboard starts working in the initramfs (on my MacBook Air at

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] network interface naming with systemd 197

2013-01-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Sander Jansen s.jan...@gmail.com wrote: uessing for users of NetworkManager there shouldn't be any change. Yeah, NM won't care at all. And people using 'systemctl enable dhcpcd@eth0' will have to change the device name? Correct. Can this be done before the

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] network interface naming with systemd 197

2013-01-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, what about netcfg users. I assume we'd need to change INTERFACE in all our netcfg profiles, but would simply renaming the /etc/network.d/interfaces/{eth,wlan}0 files to the unique names work? I know that netcfg

Re: [arch-general] UEFI experience - recommendations needed.

2013-01-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have experience with such a UEFI system on this list? Apart from the info on the arch wiki and the install wiki info (which I have been reading), are systems like this reliable once installed? Does the

Re: [arch-general] Install problem

2013-01-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: * What is the purpose of halt.target ? It stops the system but leaves power on. AFAICS, it's not possible to restart without a power cycle... Under sysvinit halt and poweroff were the same. Under systemd 'halt'

Re: [arch-general] Mounting /var early in systemd

2012-12-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Paul Gideon Dann pdgid...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying a mount unit here, because I was hoping there might be a bit more magic to it. Yes, it is. However, it does mean that I had to hardcode the mount path (%H doesn't seem to work) At the moment %H and

Re: [arch-general] Mounting /var early in systemd

2012-12-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Paul Gideon Dann pdgid...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. I added /var to fstab and rebooted, but it was ordered lower down that specifying Before=sockets.target: So no socket is After=var.mount. The question is: which one should be? On my system

Re: [arch-general] Mounting /var early in systemd

2012-12-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Paul Gideon Dann pdgid...@gmail.com wrote: I'm migrating a diskless cluster from initscripts to systemd. The problem I have is that the nodes each need to mount their own separate /var (identified by hostname) from the NFS server when they boot. I have never

Re: [arch-general] On /etc/conf.d deprecation

2012-12-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: Personally I believe all distros that switch to systemd will add their own twist to it. Distro-independant Unit files sounds like Utopia. In reality I expect unit files to be patched for various custom needs of different

Re: [arch-general] rootfs remains in ro at boot on fresh install with new December ISO

2012-12-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Olivier, On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM, LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT olivier.pis.langl...@transport.alstom.com wrote: Since I didn't want a tmpfs mounted in /tmp, I did follow directives from the Beginners guide: systemctl mask tmp.mount The result of that thing is: 1. rootfs is ro.

Re: [arch-general] rootfs remains in ro at boot on fresh install with new December ISO

2012-12-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM, LANGLOIS Olivier PIS -EXT olivier.pis.langl...@transport.alstom.com wrote: Hi, I hope it is not caused by the shortcut that I have taken to update my usb install key from november iso to december iso as described in the other thread. The first symptom that

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] dbus cleanup

2012-12-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Daniel F. Savarese d...@savarese.org wrote: If you merge the two packages, what am I supposed to do? I can't simply remove /usr/bin/dbus-launch and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/30-dbus 30-dbus will go away, so that's not an issue. That leaves dbus-launch. I don't

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: And the actual problem are the users that do not want an initramfs - things booted without one the last few decades, why add some machinery now that doesn't improve anything? (I mean, we could boot before, so what's the

Re: [arch-general] systemd sessions, su -l, and access to /dev/

2012-11-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Nov 23, 2012 12:21 AM, MSal m...@tormail.org wrote: I asked about this in the forum. But it looks like this is a better place to discuss systemd-related issues. If I login to user1 or user2 then try to play audio which requires access to /dev/snd/* , proper access to the logged in user is

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] the future of /media

2012-11-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I have udisks 1 and 2 installed but use neither. I have permanent folders in /media/. Will /media/ changes by pacman simply fail and everything continue happily or will I simply have to recreate or make them

Re: [arch-general] Pulseaudio update - mpd now refuses to play as same user

2012-11-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Nov 19, 2012 10:27 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Pulseaudio from [testing] just updated to 2.99.2-1, now mpd audio

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Jérôme Bartand moije...@gmail.com wrote: I want to bring to your attention that Gentoo is working on a udev fork called eudev Having read through their discussions, it seems that the main two things they would like to change is to be able to build udev without

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Odd, my take was that the main goal was trying to bring back a separate /usr. There is nothing to be done in udev for this (just have a look in the eudev git repo; there are no commits fixing separate /usr), so that

Re: [arch-general] Qingy on systemd

2012-11-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Curtis Shimamoto sugar.and.scru...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/08/12 at 04:00pm, David Rosenstrauch wrote: Looks like it doesn't: [darose@daroselin ~]$ sudo systemctl enable qingy@tty6 ln -s '/usr/lib/systemd/system/qingy@.service'

Re: [arch-general] Setting prefered voice for espeakup

2012-11-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Kyle k...@gmx.ca wrote: Actually, I don't think you're doing anything wrong at all. I think the problem is in the systemd service file, and it's all my fault. I see I'm not even taking arguments from /etc/conf.d/espeakup as I should be doing. The current

Re: [arch-general] Setting prefered voice for espeakup

2012-11-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Kyle k...@gmx.ca wrote: So in the example given by the OP, the ExecStart line should look like ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=en-us and then the edited file should be saved to /etc/systemd/espeakup.service. Correct. Did I get this right, or

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Dropping all packages with missing systemd units

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Sébastien Leduc sebast...@sleduc.fr wrote: Concerning tinc, a bug report [1] was created with an attached service file, which has been added to the 1.0.19-2 version of the package [2]. It seems that the TODO-list for missing systemd units has just not been

Re: [arch-general] USB Flash drive problems

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Phoenix Nemo phoenix...@archlinuxcn.org wrote: Can you use any other flash drives or removable devices? Which display manager do you use, and which file manager? I get this error several times due to added 'ck-launch-session' to my $HOME/.xinitrc because my

Re: [arch-general] Forking daemons and systemd

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: I was wondering whether there is a guideline regarding using Type=forking daemons in systemd units. For instance, if a daemon supports a cmdline switch to run in foreground isn't it better to use this argument in

Re: [arch-general] USB Flash drive problems

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:22 PM, P .NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com wrote: This is possible ..from what i have been reading not too sure if i have Systemd running or not the system is fully updated . You will not have been converted over automatically. See the wiki for how to do that. How

Re: [arch-general] Forking daemons and systemd

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Kyle k...@gmx.ca wrote: a. espeakup is not a dependency of any other service, as it only provides speech feedback for blind users at boot time, and b. the daemon supports a pidfile, which I included in the service unit. I can test this on my local unit file, or

Re: [arch-general] What is FONT_MAP for?

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Jérôme M. Berger jeber...@free.fr wrote: So what is FONT_MAP for? Check the setfont(8) manpage. -t

Re: [arch-general] A systemd less Linux alternative to Arch is hard to find but exists

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
Sorry, I let these messages through in error. I don't think this discussion will go anywhere, so let's just close it here. -t

Re: [arch-general] ConsoleKit replaced by logind vs Initsricpts

2012-10-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I'm using GDM and Xfce. It isn't a surprise that I can't log in anymore. That is not expected. You should still be able to log in. Are you using [testing]? If so, you might be hit by a bug I introduced when updating

Re: [arch-general] consolekit removal - a question

2012-10-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:46 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: For people who have converted to systemd it seems that consolekit is no longer needed. When removing it should one do pacman -R consolekit or pacman -Rs consolekit - I was unsure whether the dependencies should also

Re: [arch-general] consolekit removal - a question

2012-10-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote: pacman -Rsc consolekit prompts me to remove half KDE. Then you are likely not up-to-date. Make sure your mirror is synced, and that you have done a pacman -Syu. -t

Re: [arch-general] PowerDNS systemd script

2012-10-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have a systemd unit for pdns? I just moved it to community, where Alexander Rødseth will adopt it. I expect a unit to appear shortly :-) Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-general] libtirpc from testing breaks login

2012-10-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Arthur Titeica art...@psw.ro wrote: It seems that the upgrade to libtirpc 0.2.2-3 from testing breaks systemd- logind/pam and logging in to the system is not possible except in rescue mode. Thanks, I'll have a look now. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-general] [Cups and systemd] duplicated service file

2012-10-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Brock.Zheng goodme...@gmail.com wrote: I found that the package cups hav duplicated service file, Here is some cmdline interactivity: One is just an alias (symlink) for the other. I'm working on a patch to make systemctl behave nicer with respect to

Re: [arch-general] libtirpc from testing breaks login

2012-10-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: Just a me too, had to downgrade as my lecture is in a couple of minutes. Will track the bug report in case any info is needed (unlikely). The change was reverted (so -4 is the same as -2). -t

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

2012-10-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, F.Gr. frgroc...@gmail.com wrote: Excerpt from Giorgio Lando's message of 2012-10-28T12:29+0100: Note: Adding your user to groups (optical, audio, scanner, ...) is not necessary with systemd. It might even break the wanted functionality if you do so.

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

2012-10-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Curtis Shimamoto sugar.and.scru...@gmail.com wrote: One more thing I forgot to ask. Do I need to include the ACTION and ENV{MAJOR} stuff in my personal rule (71-my-uaccess.rule)? Namely: ACTION==remove, GOTO=uaccess_end ENV{MAJOR}==, GOTO=uaccess_end ...

Re: [arch-general] bootchart confusion

2012-10-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:09 PM, G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote: i am confused about bootchart{,2}. in aur [1] its called bootchart2, in community we have bootchart [2]. in the aur there is a comment from tom, that [1] is going to be replaced by [2]. now [2] is bootchart version 1.20,

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

2012-10-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
Nice explanation Zeke. Just one comment: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Zeke Sulastin zekesulas...@gmail.com wrote: Adding a user to a group can cause this process to be subverted - logind can't manage who is in what group. This means that both the user granted permissons by ACL, and the

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

2012-10-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Giorgio Lando giorgio.la...@gmail.com wrote: Note: Adding your user to groups (optical, audio, scanner, ...) is not necessary with systemd. It might even break the wanted functionality if you do so. While I ignore the technical reasons, my scanner does not

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs snapshots for upgrade operations

2012-10-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Yclept Nemo orbisvi...@gmail.com wrote: create a new subvolume as a snapshot of / mount the new subvolume on /mnt/ pacman -Syu --root=/mnt mark the new subvolume as the default one How much space does a subvolume/snapshot require? It is copy-on-write, so at

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

2012-10-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: You (Tom) pointed out a way to disable logind modifying device ACLs recently. It could be a good thing to have that in the online docs for those users (like me) for whom this sort of thing is unwanted. The rule that

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs snapshots for upgrade operations

2012-10-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com wrote: Archlinux is supporting btrfs for root filesystem some time now. Have any work or thoughts been done for supporting snapshots before update packages? This way you can keep record of what's happening to your system

Re: [arch-general] Filesystem and /etc/shadow

2012-10-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: The update to filesystem-2012.10-2 brings with it a new /etc/shadow. This is one of the cases in which inspecting the diff between what I have and the .pacnew doesn't give any insight (to clueless users such as

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [PSA] minor filesystem changes

2012-10-23 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: So, is it safe to remove /etc/hosts after updating the filesystem, or there are some applications which still expect it? You probably still want to keep the standard one we ship, as it provides 'localhost' et al. -t

Re: [arch-general] net-snmp conflict files on upgrade

2012-10-23 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com wrote: When I tried today to upgrade the system with: pacman -Suyy I got conflicts on net-snmp package. I installed everything except that and tried again with no results, is it safe to --force it? Anyone had that

Re: [arch-general] system locale messages readable only on tty1 !

2012-10-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 2:58 PM, jambov jamb...@yahoo.com wrote: I found some kind of ugly workaround, by putting setfont Cyr_a8x16 -m cp1251 in ~/.bashrc ; however the question why systemd-vconsole-setup does not affect the rest of the ttys at startup still remains... Probably what happens

Re: [arch-general] xf86-video ***

2012-10-14 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM, P .NIKOLIC p.nikol...@btinternet.com wrote: What is the easiest way to stop pacman trying to update all the xf86-video* drivers for cards i do not have the system uses the xf86-video-nouveau driver perfectly well but tries to install sis ati sirrus trident

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] consolekit dependencies?

2012-10-13 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Gerhard Brauer gb+ml-2...@derbrauer.homelinux.net wrote: What are the way for people which ex. use fluxbox via ck-launch-session and thunar as a filemanager (for dbus/polkit/udisks things) AND NOT systemd-logind ? Will there be a way to use

Re: [arch-general] systemd transition on virtual server - help needed

2012-10-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 09.10.2012 20:34, schrieb Florian Bruhin: At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit. I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf and hope. Bad idea. initscripts

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [draft] Install medium 2012.10.06 introduces systemd

2012-10-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: Can I suggest to add tmux on an upcoming release!? Could you give some more justification? -t

Re: [arch-general] kernel 3.6 feedback

2012-10-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Oct 4, 2012 5:24 AM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: For those not following the entire thread - there seems to be some debate about firmware loading in udev vs in kernel space and some recent changes leading to some problems. Arch is not affected as we revert the udev commit.

Re: [arch-general] systemd, running scripts after suspend/hibernate

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Mauro Santos registo.maill...@gmail.com wrote: This seems to imply that a service file should be used, what I can't figure out from the documentation or google searches is how to implement the functionality I want with a .service file, or if a service file is

Re: [arch-general] systemd, running scripts after suspend/hibernate

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Heiko Baums lis...@baums-on-web.de wrote: The way I read it is that the sort of problems you would typically workaround with suspend hooks are best solved somewhere else, probably in the kernel driver. [...] Now the Linux kernel is blamed for the systemd

[arch-general] [projects] Message rejected

2012-10-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Leonidas, On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com wrote: l'm trying to send a patch over to arch-projects mailing list and it's rejected from filters. I added to subject the [archweb] as instructed from irc channel. This is my full subject: [archweb]

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

2012-09-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: (from http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat): The documentation of logind could indeed be better. Hopefully the manpage systemd-logind(5) will provide more complete information in the future. An

Re: [arch-general] utmp MIA

2012-09-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sep 28, 2012 12:12 PM, Jorge Almeida jjalme...@gmail.com wrote: I ran pacman -Syu yesterday, and now on boot the file /run/utmp is not created. Anyone else with this problem? (Yes, /var/run is a symlink to /run) (I also changed from grub2 to syslinux, but I suppose this has nothing to do

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sep 28, 2012 12:01 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute threads with fear, uncertainty, doubt, and just

[arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, As the move to systemd is under way, and we will soon have packages in our repos that require your system to be booted with systemd, I thought this would be a good time to summarize the state of sysvinit/initscripts in Arch and their future. Abstract: I think the current state is

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Is it possible to configure pacman to upgrade initscripts and related packages only from testing, but no other packages? I don't think you can make pacman do that automatically (I think not). What you can do is add

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: A question about this: apart from changes such as those required to accomodate systemd or the /lib to /usr/lib migration, _what_ is actually involved in the day-to-day maintenance of initscripts ? In other words, what

Re: [arch-general] testing/systemd 191-1 failed to boot

2012-09-23 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Heiko, On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Why am I not surprised? Why should you be? I'm not. I don't think anyone finds it surprising that software has bugs, or that actively developed software has the occasional regression. It will happen from time to

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Sending a laptop to the repair shop

2012-09-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sep 21, 2012 2:39 AM, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: Just a quick question. What do you guys do when you have to leave your laptop at the repair shop? Do you create a new user for them, you give them your user and password and hope for the best, ask them to use a live CD?

Re: [arch-general] Has arch considered switching x86 to PAE by default

2012-09-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I read not too long ago that one of the major distros is switching to PAE by default but I forget which distro, maybe Ubuntu. Has arch considered PAE by default. It has been discussed repeatedly in the past.

Re: [arch-general] Shutdown's SIGTERM [FAIL]

2012-09-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Martín Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: Hi, I noticed I'm getting a [FAIL] message for SIGTERM on system shutdown[0], how can I debug it? I already checked /var/log but found nothing :( This means that some process did not terminate before the timeout ended.

Re: [arch-general] libsystemd to systemd

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I don't understand Eliminate the daemons one by one from rc.conf. Start with dbus, which systemd handles very well without any action from you at all. How can I upgrade, but keep a running system? I believe that

Re: [arch-general] libsystemd to systemd

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: IIUC the OP got issues regarding to networkmanager, while not switching to systemd. For the people not reading the forums: it seems the problem was with the order of daemons in rc.conf, and should be unrelated to

Re: [arch-general] cannot set locale (systemd)

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Thanos Zygouris athanasios.zygou...@gmail.com wrote: After upgrading systemd (189-3) and filesystem (2012.8-1) my locale isn't en_US.UTF-8 anymore. Instead, it defaults to C. # cat /etc/locale.conf: LOCALE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C # locale LANG=C

Re: [arch-general] cannot set locale (systemd)

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
2012/8/31 Thanos Zygouris athanasios.zygou...@gmail.com # cat /etc/locale.conf: LOCALE=en_US.UTF-8 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Kazó Csaba kazocs...@gmail.com wrote: LANG is the variable you should set in locale.conf. See

Re: [arch-general] libsystemd to systemd

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: While the cause has been explained I think we are missing the Why or is it How. If dbus was out of order how come it worked under initscripts? I have honestly no idea why the setup used to work (it never should

Re: [arch-general] cannot set locale (systemd)

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 31, 2012 5:10 PM, Tomás Acauan Schertel tscher...@gmail.com wrote: Both /etc/locale.conf and /etc/environment have this lines: LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=C And my system (LXDM + XFCE) keeps en_US. If you log in on the terminal (i.e. without starting X), do you get g the correct

Re: [arch-general] cannot set locale (systemd)

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 31, 2012 5:48 PM, Tomás Acauan Schertel tscher...@gmail.com wrote: Typing locale, I get this: [tomas@archbook ~]$ locale LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_TIME=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=C

Re: [arch-general] systemd.mount not authorized

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 31, 2012 6:13 PM, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear list, I boot with systemd and startx. I can't open my USB disk with thunar (XFCE4 file manager) and get this message: Not autorized to perform operation. I understand as a simple user I can not mount it. How can

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