On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:52:05AM -0400, Justin Strickland wrote:
heh seems most of this blaze has to do with users who are unfamiliar with
systemd and by convention afraid of it
I've seen a couple of people for whom this is probably true.
But I have seen a couple of posts that seem more
According to Justin Strickland:
heh seems most of this blaze has to do with users who are unfamiliar with
systemd and by convention afraid of it, I suppose the devs could lay down the
law and just be like 'this is what arch is going to ship with and this is what
we are going to support get
Kyle +1, personally its not as if they are forcing systemd on you they
aren't locking you out of your choice of an init system I've seen too many
people either unaware of this or have failed to remember that arch(as well
as linux in general) is a system of choices of which if you happen to find
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:53:02AM -0400, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
are for, no? People can (or at least should be able to) configure their
mailreaders to mute people or topics they want to mute.
This. This so very much.
We're
Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk writes:
On 16 August 2012 06:53, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to prefer systems that provide mailing lists and forums as two
separate frontends to the same data.
As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
On 16 August 2012 08:54, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk writes:
On 16 August 2012 06:53, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to prefer systems that provide mailing lists and forums as two
separate frontends to the same data.
Thomas Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk writes:
On 16 August 2012 08:54, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
B: If it's noise to you, kill or filter out the threads in your
reader.
how about the OP takes his argument to another place considering they
are off topic here to insight
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jeremiah Dodds
jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
With -general MLs, I don't really see the point of censorship of
anything that isn't blatant spam, which the systemd threads are not. I
particularly don't see the point when it's generally trivial for people
who
Congratulations to the trolls on the
effect they've had.
Except I would see some of your posts as trolling and I'm sure you
would see some of mine as trolling too.
I have tried not to but have re-iterated some things when I have felt
that blatant inaccuracies have come along and I am sorry for
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
people - can we define them as bottom holes ? - are rotting this
mailing list,
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
people - can we define them as
Am 16.08.2012 08:10, schrieb Dennis Herbrich:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:53:02AM -0400, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
are for, no? People can (or at least should be able to) configure their
mailreaders to mute people or topics they
On 08/16/2012 03:22 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
We're all consenting adults here. Just hit that delete button, ESC-d, Del or
adjust your scorefile/junk filter
So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
remove the offending posts.
Further,
Clever people always have a
The problem here are a small handful of people who start flames and
spread FUD. Banning a handful of people from the list is an easier
solution IMO. I am generally against such measures, but it seems we will
have no choice.
Can we please make the difference between flaming and trolling
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was
Am 16.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
I want to squash the noise that has turned this list from a helpful and
nice place to discuss with developers and users into the place
On 16 August 2012 09:19, Vytautas Stankevičius brothe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
I want to squash the noise that has turned this list from a
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Vytautas Stankevičius
brothe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
I want to squash the noise that has turned this list
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:29:32PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Vytautas Stankevičius
brothe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:22:58 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org:
So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
remove the offending posts.
The problem here are a small handful of people who start flames and
spread FUD. Banning a handful of people from
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02:57PM +0200, fredbezies wrote:
Last threads on systemd was useless.
I disagree. In the last thread, I had to really dig for outside information to
understand both sides of the argument. My research and tinkering has lead me
to the following valuable conclusions:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:22:58 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org:
So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
remove the offending posts.
The problem here are a small handful
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote:
Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies fredbez...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm an old
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
That's not more pragmatic,
It is. Person X is annoying everyone, so person X can't post any longer.
You seem to be conflating pragmatism with bigotry.
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
by other peoples'
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
That's not more pragmatic,
It is. Person X is annoying everyone, so person X can't post any longer.
You seem to be conflating pragmatism with
[2012-08-16 17:28:03 +0200] Heiko Baums:
If I have concerns about systemd for good
reasons, even if they are not technical but, say if you like,
personal?
Why would any of us care about your personal life?
Well, the personal concerns can easily become technical
ones sooner or later. See PA.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:50:20AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
by other peoples' silliness.
This is sort of how I feel about Tom and other who
[2012-08-16 09:47:11 -0600] Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia:
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
by other peoples' silliness.
Let's all settle for a mediocre Internet and learn to cope with it.
--
Gaetan
On 16 August 2012 11:59, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:50:20AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:00:55PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Right, but he has even said (along with others) that nobody is gonna
change their mind, who cares about them, they're just trolls... to
that effect.
Why bother fighting something so stupid, if even you admit it is stupid?
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I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
Do *not* feed the trolls!
If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter how
wrong he is or how stupid his opinions, he won't change his mind;
On Aug 16, 2012 5:50 PM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
That's not more pragmatic,
It is. Person X is annoying everyone,
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02:57PM +0200, fredbezies wrote:
Last threads on systemd was useless.
I disagree. In the last thread, I had to really dig for outside information
to understand both sides of the argument. My research and tinkering has lead
me to the following valuable
Am Fri, 17 Aug 2012 01:56:57 +1000
schrieb Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.org:
Why would any of us care about your personal life?
...
Your head must be such as mess if you can make sense of the above...
...
Do either. And when you have five seconds please reflect on why none
of us
2012/8/16 Tobias Frilling tob...@frilling-online.de
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I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
Do *not* feed the trolls!
If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter
how
wrong
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Tom Rand t...@tomsbox.co.uk wrote:
look at the end of the day this is a place for archlinux support
discussions with dev's, this is why there are policies for this other forms
of
communication with the dev's users.
it is not about free speach or whether
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Sander Jansen s.jan...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not exactly rocket science. Other forums and mailing lists have
moderators and rules.
The alternative is not rocket science either; ignore the threads you
don't care about. And other mailing lists do that as well
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Tobias Frilling
tob...@frilling-online.de wrote:
I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
Do *not* feed the trolls!
If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter how
wrong he is or how stupid
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 05:28:03PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:08:53 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org:
This is a technical mailing list. If you want to discuss technical
topics about Arch, you're in the right place. If you want to state
your
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:53:35AM +0530, gt wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 05:28:03PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:08:53 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org:
This is a technical mailing list. If you want to discuss technical
topics about Arch,
Hello.
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
people - can we define them as bottom holes ? - are rotting this
mailing list, and the community too.
Last threads on systemd was useless. And I can
On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, set nm...@netcourrier.com wrote:
Le mercredi 15 août 2012 22:02:57 fredbezies a écrit :
Hello.
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
people - can we define them
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, set nm...@netcourrier.com wrote:
Aren't there any moderators who can kick off trouble makers ?
That's not how MLs work. Unfortunately
I think there are list management software that can allows
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, set nm...@netcourrier.com wrote:
Aren't there any moderators who can kick off trouble makers ?
That's not how
Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, set nm...@netcourrier.com wrote:
Aren't there any moderators who can
On 16 August 2012 06:53, Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com wrote:
Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 Aug 2012
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