Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 03:27:43 +0900, Ken OKABE via arch-general wrote: >>What's completely missing by the kernel related explanation is, that >>upstrem provides, IOW maintains longterm linux, >>https://www.kernel.org/ . Does KDE upstream maintain KDE Plasma LTS? > >Ralf, exactly, and that is to wh

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Tinu Weber
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:31:22 +0900, Ken OKABE via arch-general wrote: > > The kernel is a different, as it can cause an unbootable situation. > > [...] > > On what reason or scenario, some LTS(maybe incompatible to the kernel) > will break kernel or make the system unbootable? Ideally never. T

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Ken OKABE via arch-general
>>The kernel is a different, as it can cause an unbootable situation. I can only imagine as follows: 1-a linux boot succesfully 1-b linux-lte boot succesfully 2 TYY or some DM load successfully 3-a Plasma might fail to launch 3-b Plasma-LTS might fail to launch On what reason or scenario, some

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Bennett Piater
> Ralf, exactly, and that is to what I'm attracted. That they maintain it doesn't necessarily mean that they will also make sure that it works with new library versions. It sounded more like bug- and security fixes to me. Arch is not like Debian or even Ubuntu. Most libraries get updated as soon

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Ken OKABE via arch-general
Bruno, >Yes, but what if plasma-lts doesn’t build with the new libwhatever? Will plasma-lts have updates that take care of this? Will they be available ahead of libwhatever release? >Then, consider the number of package plasma-lts represents. Multiply by their number of dependencies. Especially, k

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 11/18/2016 12:46 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: > On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:34:08 +0900 > Ken OKABE via arch-general wrote: > >> What kind of scenario in the real world to be problematic to maintain >> KDE Plasma LTS line as separated packages from non-LTS? > > A whole lot more work for litte/no gain.

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Ken OKABE via arch-general
>What's completely missing by the kernel related explanation is, that upstrem provides, IOW maintains longterm linux, https://www.kernel.org/ . Does KDE upstream maintain KDE Plasma LTS? Ralf, exactly, and that is to what I'm attracted. https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 According to the

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Doug Newgard
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:34:08 +0900 Ken OKABE via arch-general wrote: > What kind of scenario in the real world to be problematic to maintain > KDE Plasma LTS line as separated packages from non-LTS? A whole lot more work for litte/no gain. The kernel is a different, as it can cause an unbootable

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 02:34:08 +0900, Ken OKABE via arch-general wrote: >What kind of scenario in the real world to be problematic to maintain >KDE Plasma LTS line as separated packages from non-LTS? Apart from the policy, the problem are maintainers willing it to do and to provide it by a third par

Re: [arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Bruno Pagani
Le 18/11/2016 à 18:34, Ken OKABE via arch-general a écrit : > Arch-wiki suggests: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance#Install_the_linux-lts_package >> Tips and tricks > The following tips are generally not required, but certain users may > find them useful. >> Install the lin

[arch-general] Does LTS package really not fit to Rolling Release model and Arch Philosophy?

2016-11-18 Thread Ken OKABE via arch-general
Arch-wiki suggests: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance#Install_the_linux-lts_package >Tips and tricks The following tips are generally not required, but certain users may find them useful. >Install the linux-lts package The linux-lts package is an alternative Arch kernel packag