Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-02 Thread Mike Cloaked
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/14 06:15 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition. Would I move it to the ESP partition, in that case? And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ? I have never used

[arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
This is insanity... The first time I have encountered the much maligned Micro$oft UEFI / Secure Boot adventure. On my new Thinkpad Yoga, with a Wacom active digitizer and pen. Ubuntu was a walk in the park. I installed Ubuntu naively, alongside the new Windows 8.1 laptop. It took maybe an

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Oops, I used the wrong account. Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: arch-general@archlinux.org Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 23:18:49 +0200 Mailer: Evolution

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 05:07 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: This is insanity... The first time I have encountered the much maligned Micro$oft UEFI / Secure Boot adventure. On my new Thinkpad Yoga, with a Wacom active digitizer and pen. Ubuntu was a walk in the park. I installed Ubuntu naively, alongside

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
This looks interesting, and I am tempted to walk into the deep water. It raises some questions. Will gummiboot or refind also find the Ubuntu partition? The original partition structure of the machine there were four or five partitions, and another one popped up in the higher end of the disk.

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:02 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: This looks interesting, and I am tempted to walk into the deep water. It raises some questions. Will gummiboot or refind also find the Ubuntu partition? You should use the ESP (EFI system partition) to store all of the kernels. The loader

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition. Would I move it to the ESP partition, in that case? And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ? I have never used gummiboot. Since the Arch system is already to go, but not yet with a boot management setup, I should manually move that kernel to the ESP

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:15 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: Ubuntu's kernel is on the / partition. Would I move it to the ESP partition, in that case? And I will mount that partition on /mnt/boot ? I have never used gummiboot. Since the Arch system is already to go, but not yet with a boot management

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I see another level of complexity here, in a statement on a page about Gummiboot on the wiki: * Warning: *Gummiboot simply provides a boot menu for EFISTUB kernels. In case you have issues booting EFISTUB kernels like in FS#33745https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/33745, you should use a boot loader

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some information that suggested to use a command, as follows: mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars It was ineffective, so after noticing a note that it should be done inside and outside of the chroot

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:20 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: I see another level of complexity here, in a statement on a page about Gummiboot on the wiki: * Warning: *Gummiboot simply provides a boot menu for EFISTUB kernels. In case you have issues booting EFISTUB kernels like in

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
Do I need to install a special kernel? Thank you for the advice. Alan On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/14 06:20 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: I see another level of complexity here, in a statement on a page about Gummiboot on the wiki: *

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:31 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: Do I need to install a special kernel? Thank you for the advice. Alan No, you need to install gummiboot. That's all. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some information that suggested to use a command, as follows: mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars You don't need to do this, so I'm not sure where you're

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Delcypher
On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some information that suggested to use a command, as follows: mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I'm staying tuned. Alan On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher delcyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some information

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
What is the EFISTUB bug? Alan On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm staying tuned. Alan On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Delcypher delcyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:41 PM, Delcypher wrote: On 1 May 2014 23:35, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/14 06:28 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: After already chrooting, during the Arch installation process, I saw some information that suggested to use a command, as follows: mount -t

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:45 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: What is the EFISTUB bug? Alan The kernel's EFISTUB booting support is broken on some hardware, possibly due to buggy firmware requiring workarounds or perhaps because of remaining bugs in the kernel. It does work on most hardware though, especially

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I am now walking through the install step by step. Initially, it is suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted. I ran mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars And got this message: mount: mount point /sys.efivars does not exist. I don't knolw

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I wonder what Ubuntu is doing, then. Whether it will be incompatible. A On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote: I am now walking through the install step by step. Initially, it is suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted. I

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Mark Lee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/01/2014 06:54 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: I am now walking through the install step by step. Initially, it is suggested (in the Beginner's Guide) to test whether efivars is mounted. I ran mount -t efivarfs efivarfs

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I saw no options. The iso image on the USB drive booted without any problem or selection. DOes it matter that this is a May 1 2014 installation iso? Alan On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Mark Lee m...@markelee.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/01/2014 06:54

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 06:56 PM, Mark Lee wrote: Salutations, You need to boot into UEFI mode. So when you're loading the Arch Linux ISO, make sure you select to boot into UEFI mode (usually an option in the boot menu) Regards, Mark You can do this without being booted into EFI mode, since

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
Running gdisk, this message: Found valid GPT with protective MBR: using GPT. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote: I saw no options. The iso image on the USB drive booted without any problem or selection. DOes it matter that this is a May 1 2014

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I took a chance, and nothing happened. I installed gummiboot on /boot, where the kernel was. But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over. In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot menu from there, and boot ubuntu. Not Arch. Yet. Thank you for now. Alan On Thu,

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: I took a chance, and nothing happened. I installed gummiboot on /boot, where the kernel was. But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over. In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot menu from there, and boot ubuntu. Not

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or run the entry. I'm sorry. I'm going to try again later. In fact, I may take the undesireable step of installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch Linux these days. On the one hand, I don't care to learn

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Daniel Micay
On 01/05/14 08:06 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or run the entry. I'm sorry. I'm going to try again later. In fact, I may take the undesireable step of installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch Linux these

Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows 8 UEFI laptop

2014-05-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
Then I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing this out. FOr me, the simpler the better. I'll try to deal with it, though. Alan On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/14 08:06 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: I don't understand what is the entry, or