Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-13 Thread Alex Jordan
On Apr 11, 2014 4:45 PM, Taylor Hornby ha...@defuse.ca wrote: I'm saying: A single trusted person blindly building and singing packages is more secure than everyone blindly building and signing packages. As others have said: users should not be blindly building and installing packages. Friendly

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-12 Thread Paladin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On , Taylor Hornby wrote: I'd also argue that not all users know how to do that, and the process is time consuming (especially when there are dozens of dependencies), so it's effectively impossible for a subset of users. There are tools which

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-12 Thread Felix Yan
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 02:28:55 Nowaker wrote: Regarding the subject (Is Voting Effective?). Theoretically, packages are picked from AUR to [community] according to the number of votes. However, I have never seen anything like that. Any time a new Trusted User candidate asks to join the

[arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Taylor Hornby
The main mechanism for moving packages from the AUR into the official repositories seems to be the Vote for this package mechanism. Ideally, all packages would just be in the official repositories, and there'd be no AUR. Obviously we don't have the resources for that, so there needs to be some

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Peter Baldridge
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Taylor Hornby ha...@defuse.ca wrote: both are included in Debian's official repositories. Debian has more packages than another distro that I am aware of. Last I heard, it was around 30,000. That is one thing they do very well. That's very much the polar

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Mark Lee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/11/2014 05:40 PM, Taylor Hornby wrote: The main mechanism for moving packages from the AUR into the official repositories seems to be the Vote for this package mechanism. Ideally, all packages would just be in the official repositories, and

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Taylor Hornby
On 04/11/2014 03:48 PM, Peter Baldridge wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Taylor Hornby ha...@defuse.ca wrote: both are included in Debian's official repositories. Debian has more packages than another distro that I am aware of. Last I heard, it was around 30,000. That is one thing

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Micay
Packages are included in the repositories if and only if a developer or trusted user is interested in maintaining the package. In my opinion, it's best for packages to be maintained by people who actually use and care about them even if it means that they're in the AUR instead of the official

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Taylor Hornby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2014 03:57 PM, Daniel Micay wrote: Packages are included in the repositories if and only if a developer or trusted user is interested in maintaining the package. In my opinion, it's best for packages to be maintained by people who

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Wallace
and the storage space comes from to support this kind of repository? Daniel Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:06:40 -0600 From: ha...@defuse.ca To: arch-general@archlinux.org Subject: Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2014 03:57 PM, Daniel

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Taylor Hornby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2014 04:27 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote: So you're saying... blindly trusting someone else that is unknown to build and blindly sign a package is more secure than you downloading the pkgbuild with cower or something, looking at the PKGBUILD,

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Taylor Hornby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2014 04:27 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote: So you're saying... blindly trusting someone else that is unknown to build and blindly sign a package is more secure than you downloading the pkgbuild with cower or something, looking at the PKGBUILD,

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Mark Lee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/11/2014 07:45 PM, Taylor Hornby wrote: On 04/11/2014 04:27 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote: So you're saying... blindly trusting someone else that is unknown to build and blindly sign a package is more secure than you downloading the pkgbuild

Re: [arch-general] Is Voting Effective?

2014-04-11 Thread Nowaker
Hi guys, I really enjoy our status quo with AUR. This is the first user-repo in the Linux world that is easy to talk to. Just compare to these Ubuntu's PPAs that you first need to find and trust. I really prefer to run yaourt -Ss package-i-am-looking-for, and not to Google for arch linux