Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Jul 13, C Anthony Risinger did say: On Jul 12, 2011 8:19 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: snip Dude ... just set UTC and forget about it ... forever :-) The wisdom of others frees time to build more wisdom of self. Dde ... If my

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-16 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Jul 12, Tom Gundersen did say: On Jul 12, 2011, at 15:18, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: Whereas If I put ntpd -qg in rc.local there is sometimes enough time to type my username before the NTP based time adjustment can be seen to occur.. Yes,

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-16 Thread Kwpolska
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:36:45AM -0400, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: It would appear that on Jul 12, Tom Gundersen did say: It would appear that your pre-quotation messages are annoying. [snip] Actually I wouldn't notice the adjustment at all except that certain system messages put

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: myhost login: jtwd        NTP: adjust RTC [012.001]yp Password: Or some such thing. So unless the ntpd called from rc.local is NOT supposed to leave a message on tty1, I don't think that's a bug. Ah, I

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-15 Thread solsTiCe d'Hiver
Le mardi 12 juillet 2011 à 20:41 +0200, Tom Gundersen a écrit : No, we adjust the time as soon as possible to minimize the problems (though we are not able to eliminate the gap when the time is wrong, so we simply don't know what might go wrong, the more init is optimized, the more likely

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-15 Thread solsTiCe d'Hiver
even though I have switch to HARDWARECLOCK=UTC, rtkit-daemon line date time in logs are still wrong. in UTC ?? what's the matter with it ?

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-13 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Jul 12, 2011 8:19 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: snip Dude ... just set UTC and forget about it ... forever :-) The wisdom of others frees time to build more wisdom of self. C Anthony

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-12 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Jul 11, Tom Gundersen did say: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: NOT dual-boot, Multi-boot, And I don't think in UTC see above The more OS'es you have, the better reason to keep RTC in UTC. You shouldn't need to

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
Replying from phone, sorry fir brevity. On Jul 12, 2011, at 15:18, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: It would appear that on Jul 11, Tom Gundersen did say: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: NOT dual-boot, Multi-boot, And I don't

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-11 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 11.07.2011 17:20, schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: Since I multi-boot AND do keep my hardware clock set to local time, I'm a little bit concerned by this statement. It gives me two questions. This is no reason. Especially if you dual-boot, keeping the hardware clock in UTC is something to

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-11 Thread Buce
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.netwrote: It would appear that on 2011-05-02, www.archlinux.org/news/initscripts-update-1/ did say: We now strongly discourage the use of HARDWARECLOCK=localtime, as this may lead to several known and unfixable bugs.

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-11 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Jul 11, jesse jaara did say: Check the systemd wiki page it has info for setting windows to UTC time It's not so much that Windows likes local time. It's that I insist on it... I MUCH prefer to manually set/verify the hardware clock's time with the bios set-up

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-11 Thread Ray Rashif
On 11 July 2011 23:20, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: Since I multi-boot AND do keep my hardware clock set to local time, I'm a little bit concerned by this statement. It gives me two questions. I still use localtime and currently I have a dual-boot machine w/ Win7. No problems.

Re: [arch-general] OK so HARDWARECLOCK=localtime is strongly discouraged BUT???

2011-07-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: It would appear that on Jul 11, Thomas Bächler did say: This is no reason. Especially if you dual-boot, keeping the hardware clock in UTC is something to make your life so much easier. NOT dual-boot, Multi-boot,