Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-17 Thread Guillaume ALAUX
On 17 June 2010 01:34, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: On 17/06/10 00:48, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: Are the python scripts in the pacbuild package (apple, strawberry, queuepackage, waka and uploadpackage) used any more as described in this pagehttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacbuild

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-17 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:46:09 +0200 Xavier Chantry chantry.xav...@gmail.com wrote: It's all there : http://projects.archlinux.org/users/allan/pacman.git/log/?h=gpg and there : http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Package_Signing_Proposal_for_Pacman Come back to us when everything is

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Guillaume ALAUX
On 16 June 2010 02:23, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: Just to clarify the build process that goes on here: 1) make a clean chroot (mkarchroot - only needs done once) 2) build package in chroot (makechrootpkg) 3) upload package to staging area and commit to svn (e.g. testingpkg) 4)

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Dimitrios Apostolou
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: The proposed model is based on the web of trust. We would trust on some keys to sign other keys. The main keys would be kept by some high trusty developers. They would sign the public keys of the other developers (and their personal keys too)

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Dimitrios Apostolou
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Ionuț Bîru wrote: i found this annoying since, debugging is more harder, i have to download the resulted package to test it, send it, wait for the pool to come. is a mess :D even if my system is compromised, we build our packages in clean chroots. The workflow won't be

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Dimitrios Apostolou
Hey, what do you think about this way of verifying packages? On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote: On another note, an easy but maybe a bit costly way to avoid any MITM tampering to packages, is serve *.md5 files for every package through a trusted HTTPS host. Then everyone can query

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Dan McGee
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: Hey, what do you think about this way of verifying packages? On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote: On another note, an easy but maybe a bit costly way to avoid any MITM tampering to packages, is serve *.md5

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Allan McRae
On 17/06/10 00:48, Guillaume ALAUX wrote: Are the python scripts in the pacbuild package (apple, strawberry, queuepackage, waka and uploadpackage) used any more as described in this pagehttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacbuild ? Because some of these scripts point to the old current

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Dimitrios Apostolou
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Dan McGee wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: Hey, what do you think about this way of verifying packages? On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Dimitrios Apostolou wrote: On another note, an easy but maybe a bit costly way to avoid any MITM

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-16 Thread Dan McGee
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Dan McGee wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: Hey, what do you think about this way of verifying packages? On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Dimitrios Apostolou

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread Dimitrios Apostolou
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: And keep in mind that package signing per se will not solve this kind of problems. Repository database signing is more important for that solution, but is a problem in the current workflow of Arch developers. How exactly is core and extra

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: And keep in mind that package signing per se will not solve this kind of problems. Repository database signing is more important for that solution, but is a problem

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread Guillaume ALAUX
How exactly is core and extra database populated? Moreover, instead of building all packages in the private PCs of developers Packages are not build on developers computers but on build machines as explained here http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacbuild

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread Dan McGee
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Guillaume ALAUX guilla...@alaux.net wrote: How exactly is core and extra database populated? Moreover, instead of building all packages in the private PCs of developers Packages are not build on developers computers but on build machines as explained here

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread Guillaume ALAUX
On 15 June 2010 16:46, Dan McGee dpmc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Guillaume ALAUX guilla...@alaux.net wrote: How exactly is core and extra database populated? Moreover, instead of building all packages in the private PCs of developers Packages are not build on

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread Guillaume ALAUX
On 15 June 2010 16:55, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Dimitrios Apostolou ji...@gmx.net wrote: Moreover, instead of building all packages in the private PCs of developers, I think it is

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Aleksis Jauntēvs aleksis.jaunt...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 15 June 2010 19:37:00 Pierre Schmitz wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:23:14 +0300, Aleksis Jauntēvs aleksis.jaunt...@gmail.com wrote: I dont think that repo.db should be signed and it is enough to

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-15 Thread Allan McRae
Just to clarify the build process that goes on here: 1) make a clean chroot (mkarchroot - only needs done once) 2) build package in chroot (makechrootpkg) 3) upload package to staging area and commit to svn (e.g. testingpkg) 4) release package on master server adding it to repo (e.g. db-testing)

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-14 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Xavier Chantry chantry.xav...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Ananda Samaddar ana...@samaddar.co.uk wrote: This is the reason why we need package signing for Pacman.  I'm aware that some progress has been made and it's being worked on.  Are

[arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-13 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:58:38 +0200 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 13.06.2010 02:33, schrieb Alexander Duscheleit: OTOH the original mail was meant more to alert *users* of unrealircd, the maintainer should actually already have been noticed via the bug. In that case, it

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-13 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:48:53 +1000 Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: This is the reason why we need package signing for Pacman. I'm aware that some progress has been made and it's being worked on. Are there any updates? Yes... because package signing magically fixes all

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-13 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Ananda Samaddar ana...@samaddar.co.uk wrote: This is the reason why we need package signing for Pacman.  I'm aware that some progress has been made and it's being worked on.  Are there any updates? It's all there :

Re: [arch-general] Package signing for the umpteenth time (was Re: unrealircd 3.2.8.1-2 contains backdoor)

2010-06-13 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 10:48 +0100, Ananda Samaddar wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:48:53 +1000 Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: This is the reason why we need package signing for Pacman. I'm aware that some progress has been made and it's being worked on. Are there any