On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:19:00AM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
For all its faults, being incapabel of giving you a boot
time advantage is _not_ one of them.
Yes, that's *in theory*, but in practice that's not what I see, and I
already investigated the culprit:
It's more like if the
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
archli...@ishpeck.net wrote:
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:23:33PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
So it's only needs twice the time with only on third of the ticks? Well
that is awesome... Yeah to systemd!
systemd is much more
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 09:23:33PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
So it's only needs twice the time with only on third of the ticks? Well
that is awesome... Yeah to systemd!
systemd is much more complicated, and requires many more tricks.
Please remember: I hate systemd.
I have seen
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:31:19PM -0400, Brandon Watkins wrote:
You are being pedantic. A 2 second difference is negligible, and certainly
not the huge issue you are making it out to be.
It's not negligible in computing terms. It can matter but plan A
is usually for your boot time to be
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Sebastian Günther a...@teageek.de wrote:
* Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]:
Funny that you say around the same time, when it's clearly less than
6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm.
The first
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway we are talking about 2 seconds...
We are talking about a difference of 100%.
--
Felipe Contreras
You are being pedantic. A 2 second difference is negligible, and certainly
not the huge issue you
2012/8/22 Sebastian Günther a...@teageek.de:
* Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]:
Funny that you say around the same time, when it's clearly less than
6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm.
The first instance starts at 2s in 1000 hz,
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Sebastian Günther a...@teageek.de wrote:
* Felipe Contreras (felipe.contre...@gmail.com) [22.08.12 02:22]:
Funny that you say around the same time, when it's clearly less than
6 seconds, so it's 15% slower, but that's the second instance of kdm.
The first
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe
On 15/08/2012 8:05 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Leon Feng rainofch...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Arch is always give user's their options they want.
You can use initscript, even if systemd is the default just like I can
use systemd now when initscript is the
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM,
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
I guess you've reported it to kernel devs, right...?
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando alfer...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
I guess you've reported it to kernel
On 16 August 2012 15:27, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando alfer...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
independently of whether you
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
This is so stupid that it's not even funny. You said that the problem
was having CONFIG_HZ=300 and systemd. I said it
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
This is so stupid that it's not even funny.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A.
A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clean pure install,
then install systemd, and see if you run into the same solution which I bet
you won't, I'm calling pebkac and ID-107 until you've used systemd on a
pure install. if 9.99/10 users have no issue with a default systemd
On Aug 16, 2012 10:04 PM, Justin Strickland azriel.ki...@gmail.com
wrote:
A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clean pure
install,
then install systemd, and see if you run into the same solution which I
bet
you won't, I'm calling pebkac and ID-107 until you've used systemd
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé
wasn't attacking him personally, I simply meant to state there is most
likely an issue with his configuration and thus he should check a pure
systemd install be for spamming the ML with his inexperience, granted the
dev may or may not be a douche but thats still no execuse for not
exhausting all
also I may or may not have hit reply to on you nicholas if so I wasn't
directing that earlier comment towards you
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.comwrote:
On Aug 16, 2012 10:04 PM, Justin Strickland azriel.ki...@gmail.com
wrote:
A better solution would
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:22:09AM -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Jason Ryan jasonwr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan jasonwr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
Felipe,
On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes they can. Code is code, language doesn't make a piece of code more
share-able between distros than others.
Cheers.
--
Felipe Contreras
Do you even know what .service files look like and how they work?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
Lennart in that G+ post.
Without the insults, this would have been
On 15/08/12 at 08:38am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Jason Ryan jasonwr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan jasonwr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
a skeptic.
That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
You are selling a distribution.
We are? Damn. Where is
2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
such an issue
[2012-08-15 03:35:15 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
it became clear I was on my own
Isn't life tough?
And seriously, who do you think gives a damn about platitudes like
If you have a problem you will not be able to open a script and figure
out what is happening, and perhaps modify it, and debug
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
a skeptic.
That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not
So I think Arch Linux will probably hit issues, and you think it's FUD
to say hey Arch Linux, I think you might hit issues?
You have “issues”. Your thread title, your baseless extrapolation of your own
experience to all of Arch are classic FUD.[0]
If you look in a dictionary often a
SO! truth is the commercial fedoras/redhats and ubuntus out there are
all a vibrant part of this process,
True
and they WILL supply/shoulder the
bulk of development.
Wrong, there have been more commits from independents in the Linux tree
in the last decade atleast.
--
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote:
snip
it's interesting to me how so many can believe that
OSS/distros/etc/etc are really driven and decided by the whimsical
desires of the complete, mob-like user base.
snip
All points taken, and, for my own part, I
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider
On 08/15/2012 03:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
a skeptic.
That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
You are
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Leon Feng rainofch...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have
[2012-08-15 13:56:22 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
So any time any program (like the kernel or any other project),
breaks the user experience, to me, that’s the
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.org wrote:
[2012-08-15 13:56:22 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
So any time any program (like the
On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
So any time any program (like the kernel or any other project),
breaks the user
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
So any time
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure in due time systemd
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM,
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
So any time
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM,
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Ad hominem fallacy.
I don't know if you're trying to show that you really know
argumentation topics by heart or just trying to make peopple dislike
you right away. That kind of snobish sance doesn't help you at
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so
Hi,
I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
this worries me for several reasons.
I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart
Poettering and other people in Google+[1], it became
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
this worries me for several reasons.
I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
the boot was *much
On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Hi,
I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
this worries me for several reasons.
snip
I am running it on both my home machines and my work laptop. I have full
encryption on all three devices and LVM and Raid1 on
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan jasonwr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
this worries me for several reasons.
snip
I am running it on both my home machines and my work laptop.
On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan jasonwr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and
this worries me for several reasons.
snip
I
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now. Has anybody looked
into the CONFIG_HZ issue? I doubt that.
Arch's stock kernel:
$ zgrep
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now.
2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
Hi,
Finally, it's much harder to debug. If you have a problem you will not
be able to open a script and figure out what is happening, and perhaps
modify it, and debug it. You would be greeted with an unmodified
binary, and the source
Felipe,
On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart
Poettering and other people in Google+[1], it became clear I was on my
own.
On Aug 15, 2012 7:35 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart
Poettering and other
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