Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Nowaker
Have you looked at netctl's optional dependencies? Of course I have but the question is - what is the point of providing a binary that doesn't work at all without some optdepends? Optdepends are used for software like lighttpd or apache where some optional modules may need these optdepends.

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Dennis Herbrich
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 06:10:39PM +0100, Nowaker wrote: Guys, the goal of this slanted ranting (really?) is to propose a good solution and make Arch better. Please refrain from implying that the current state needs being made better in the first place. This is exactly what we're trying to

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Nowaker
Thanks Dennis for your input. To sum up, in your opinion the proposed approach is clean in terms of Arch guidelines. You also consider decoupling packages a good thing in general *provided* there is a sound reason for that. There isn't in your opinion. What is important is that I brushed

[arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-26 Thread Nowaker
Hey, Why does netctl provide /usr/bin/wifi-menu which is unusable at all, given the fact it needs /usr/bin/dialog to operate, and this is not a hard dependency of the package? I don't really get a point of providing a binary/script that doesn't work at all. What is it in the package for?

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-26 Thread Daniel Leining
Yeah, I agree on this. It should be a dependency of netctl, or wifi-menu be a separate package with dialog as a dependency. Just my two cents.

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-26 Thread Toyam Cox
Wifi-menu as a separate package makes the most sense, avoids the issue of some netctl users not wanting wifi-menu, being able to configure their networks themselves or using something else to search for wifi networks. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Daniel Leining dan...@the-beach.co wrote:

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-26 Thread Garrett Hopper
This would be great. It's always annoyed me that it's sitting there unusable. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Toyam Cox csupercomputerg...@gmail.comwrote: Wifi-menu as a separate package makes the most sense, avoids the issue of some netctl users not wanting wifi-menu, being able to

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-26 Thread Bigby James
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 08:56:34PM -0600, Garrett Hopper wrote: This would be great. It's always annoyed me that it's sitting there unusable. I don't usually play this card, but netcl takes up 7 kilobytes of disk space---an infinitesimal amount relative to many core *NIX utils---and only runs

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-26 Thread Kevin Vesga
Nowaker enwukaer at gmail.com writes: Hey, Why does netctl provide /usr/bin/wifi-menu which is unusable at all, given the fact it needs /usr/bin/dialog to operate, and this is not a hard dependency of the package? I don't really get a point of providing a binary/script that doesn't

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-26 Thread Doug Newgard
To: arch-general@archlinux.org From: 31337h4c...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:44:20 + Subject: Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable Nowaker enwukaer at gmail.com writes: Hey, Why does netctl provide /usr/bin