Re: [arch-general] systemd timers: switch default target to timers.target?

2014-10-08 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 08.10.2014 um 02:51 schrieb Sébastien Luttringer: On 06/10/2014 23:45, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 04.10.2014 um 13:44 schrieb Neitsab: Why? Most of these timers should only be available when running a fully booted system. timers.target is pulled in by basic.target. This implies that

Re: [arch-general] systemd timers: switch default target to timers.target?

2014-10-08 Thread Damien Robert
Thomas Bächler wrote in message 543579d1.4010...@archlinux.org: I don't care what upstream recommends, there is no reason for this target to exist and there is no reason to use it. Things get even worse, since you cannot order the unit After=something - since timers.target pulls the unit, it

Re: [arch-general] systemd timers: switch default target to timers.target?

2014-10-07 Thread Sébastien Luttringer
On 06/10/2014 23:45, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 04.10.2014 um 13:44 schrieb Neitsab: Why? Most of these timers should only be available when running a fully booted system. timers.target is pulled in by basic.target. This implies that startup of all normal services is delayed until the startup

Re: [arch-general] systemd timers: switch default target to timers.target?

2014-10-06 Thread Sébastien Luttringer
On 05/10/2014 20:21, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Neitsab neit...@ovh.fr wrote: $ pkgfile --glob *.timer | xargs -n1 pkgfile --list | grep .timer$ /usr/lib/systemd/system/mailman-checkdbs.timer /usr/lib/systemd/system/mailman-cullbadshunt.timer

Re: [arch-general] systemd timers: switch default target to timers.target?

2014-10-06 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 04.10.2014 um 13:44 schrieb Neitsab: Hi everybody, It seems like systemd now provides a target that is intended to gather all timers supposed to be activated after boot. This target that systemd now provides has always been available. Currently, three timers are statically enabled via

Re: [arch-general] systemd timers: switch default target to timers.target?

2014-10-05 Thread Rodrigo Rivas
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Neitsab neit...@ovh.fr wrote: Five other packages in base group provide systemd timers: logrotate, man-db, mdadm, shadow and util-linux. I didn't manage to use pkgfile to get this list (globbing and regex switches didn't help, dunno why), so I only counted

[arch-general] systemd timers: switch default target to timers.target?

2014-10-04 Thread Neitsab
Hi everybody, It seems like systemd now provides a target that is intended to gather all timers supposed to be activated after boot. From man 7 systemd.special: timers.target A special target unit that sets up all timer units (see systemd.timer(5) for details) that shall be active after boot.