Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread Jan de Groot
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 03:06 +0100, Damjan Georgievski wrote: Does anyone know how much of HAL is needed in ArchLinux these days? I'm asking because I've learned that both udev and HAL configure the keymap of input devices nowdays and I wonder what other former HAL features are already

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread James Rayner
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:16 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote: I don't have seven mouse buttons. The mouse and keyboard is already configured in xorg.conf using drivers mouse and kbd. If I stop hal, and then start Xorg, it doesn't work. I've to hard reset my box. That's

Re: [arch-general] Package signing (was: Arch Linux security is still poor)

2010-03-17 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 17.03.2010 01:06, schrieb Linas: There are several ways to close the gap: *Always download the package list from ftp.archlinux.org It's the easier solution, but it only protects against the mirror operator. Moreover, it increases load on that server and makes it a single point of failure.

[arch-general] Thunderbird 3 annoyance

2010-03-17 Thread David Rosenstrauch
I'm having a little annoyance with TBird 3, and was wondering if anyone was experiencing the same thing and/or had a workaround. I have a large tree of folders in TBird, from 2 different IMAP accounts. So I use the Unread Folders view, in conjunction with the

Re: [arch-general] Thunderbird 3 annoyance

2010-03-17 Thread Ionut Biru
On 03/17/2010 04:41 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: I'm having a little annoyance with TBird 3, and was wondering if anyone was experiencing the same thing and/or had a workaround. I have a large tree of folders in TBird, from 2 different IMAP accounts. So I use the Unread Folders view, in

Re: [arch-general] Thunderbird 3 annoyance

2010-03-17 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 03/17/2010 10:46 AM, Ionut Biru wrote: maybe is not a matter of configs. maybe this is really a bug and should be submitted upstream. Could be. If so, though, I'd like to get some more info on the problem first. Anyone else experiencing this issue with TBird automagically selecting a

Re: [arch-general] pdftk - almost build but died - need hel p figuring out if I can find a work-around

2010-03-17 Thread Edgar Kalkowski
Am oder ungefähr am Montag, 15. März 2010, schrieb David C. Rankin: On 03/15/2010 01:06 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 03/14/2010 10:37 AM, Edgar Kalkowski wrote: Am oder ungefähr am Freitag, 12. März 2010, schrieb David C. Rankin: Guys, I need pdftk for a script I use that does fax

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 3/17/10, James Rayner ja...@archlinux.org wrote: On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:16 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote: I don't have seven mouse buttons. The mouse and keyboard is already configured in xorg.conf using drivers mouse and kbd. If I stop hal, and then start Xorg, it

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/17/10, James Rayner ja...@archlinux.org wrote: On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:16 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote: I don't have seven mouse buttons. The mouse and keyboard is already configured in

Re: [arch-general] Thunderbird 3 annoyance

2010-03-17 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 03/17/2010 10:46 AM, Ionut Biru wrote: On 03/17/2010 04:41 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: I'm having a little annoyance with TBird 3, and was wondering if anyone was experiencing the same thing and/or had a workaround. I have a large tree of folders in TBird, from 2 different IMAP accounts.

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Mar 17, Jan de Groot did say: At this moment several applications, including XFCE and KDE, use hal for removable device handling. xorg-server still uses hal to configure input devices. Starting from xorg-server 1.8, we'll disable the hal backend and switch to udev,

[arch-general] Ignoring packages and piecemeal updates

2010-03-17 Thread Denis Kobozev
Hi archers, It has been repeated a lot of times that doing piecemeal updates with pacman -Sy pkgname is not a very good idea. What about ignoring packages? Is it as dangerous? And a more general question: is it even theoretically possible to have a bleeding edge distro with piecemeal updates and

Re: [arch-general] Ignoring packages and piecemeal updates

2010-03-17 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 03/17/10 14:42, Denis Kobozev wrote: Hi archers, It has been repeated a lot of times that doing piecemeal updates with pacman -Sy pkgname is not a very good idea. What about ignoring packages? Is it as dangerous? the most likely danger with small version skews is if a library is upgraded,

Re: [arch-general] Ignoring packages and piecemeal updates

2010-03-17 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Denis Kobozev d.v.kobo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi archers, It has been repeated a lot of times that doing piecemeal updates with pacman -Sy pkgname is not a very good idea. What about ignoring packages? Is it as dangerous? And a more general question: is it even

Re: [arch-general] on rolling release / reinstallation

2010-03-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
It would appear that on Mar 16, Isaac Dupree did say: I enjoyed the 6-month reinstalls... for a while. They reminded me how my system was set up ; to make backups ; etc. I've got a slight difficulty with that... I've been a multi-boot guy for a long time. It started because sometimes I

Re: [arch-general] Ignoring packages and piecemeal updates

2010-03-17 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Xavier Chantry chantry.xav...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Denis Kobozev d.v.kobo...@gmail.com wrote: And a more general question: is it even theoretically possible to have a bleeding edge distro with piecemeal updates and with no required

Re: [arch-general] on rolling release / reinstallation

2010-03-17 Thread Loui Chang
On Wed 17 Mar 2010 16:01 -0400, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: So I'm guessing that these workarounds happen whenever a pacman -Syu leads to breaking something... (Which means that I probably should only do an pacman -Syu when A) I've got time to test all my stuff. AND B) I've got time to look

Re: [arch-general] Ignoring packages and piecemeal updates

2010-03-17 Thread Denis Kobozev
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Isaac Dupree m...@isaac.cedarswampstudios.org wrote: NixOS does better (at least at the theoretical stuff, though it has fewer users..it was born in academia..Basically it is archtected so that you can have multiple versions of any package installed and they

Re: [arch-general] Ignoring packages and piecemeal updates

2010-03-17 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Denis Kobozev d.v.kobo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Isaac Dupree m...@isaac.cedarswampstudios.org wrote: NixOS does better (at least at the theoretical stuff, though it has fewer users..it was born in academia..Basically it is

Re: [arch-general] Ignoring packages and piecemeal updates

2010-03-17 Thread Denis Kobozev
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Denis Kobozev d.v.kobo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. Judging from a quick glance at the NixOS homepage, nix deals with shared dependencies by having very precise rules about which

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 14:31 -0400, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: It would appear that on Mar 17, Jan de Groot did say: At this moment several applications, including XFCE and KDE, use hal for removable device handling. xorg-server still uses hal to configure input devices. Starting from

[arch-general] fdisk vs cfdisk... And is my drive borked or what?

2010-03-17 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
I'm new to Arch. I recently dumped a very bloated Sabayon installation which left me enough room on my laptop for two other distros... I went with PCLinuxOS AND Arch because both sounded like reinstalling from scratch wasn't a twice a year thing... Actually I tried installing PCLinuxOS on a usb

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread fons
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 06:04:54AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: Those following the Beginner's Guide shouldn't be too concerned about the 'up-and-coming' anything, IMO. It will (and should only) be updated when it becomes necessary to, that is, when the previous steps stop working. Which is not

Re: [arch-general] HAL depreciation

2010-03-17 Thread dave reisner
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:13 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Is it actually possible today to replace the automatic X11 input device selection done by HAL by some udev rules ? If yes, is there any guide/wiki/other_doc describing the required incantations ? Ciao, -- FA O tu, che porte,

Re: [arch-general] fdisk vs cfdisk... And is my drive borked or what?

2010-03-17 Thread Linas
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Any way I only mention it because When I got around to installing Arch on one of the two partitions I recovered from Sabayon, I skipped the installation step of letting cfdisk touch my partitions and simply selected the partition I previously prepared for it with

Re: [arch-general] Abort forced filesystem check on boot

2010-03-17 Thread Tom
Hi, I have written a small patch for rc.sysinit which gives the user the ability to abort a forced filesystem check with pressing the escape-key. I haven't found another feature-request in the bugtracker for this so I opened one: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18400 . What do you think

Re: [arch-general] fdisk vs cfdisk... And is my drive borked or what?

2010-03-17 Thread Mauro Santos
On 03/17/2010 10:45 PM, Linas wrote: Which complained about a dos compatibility flag and that I should change the display/entry units to sectors. This showed me a small bit of unused space above my last logical partition (/dev/sda12)... Don't worry about that for now, that could only come

Re: [arch-general] Package signing (was: Arch Linux security is still poor)

2010-03-17 Thread Myra Nelson
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 19:06, Linas linas...@ymail.com wrote: I had already this email draft in my head, but Ananda 'Arch Linux security is still poor' thread, on which the point was also brought up, moved me to really write it. First off, there's an implicit level of trust on the package

Re: [arch-general] pdftk - almost build but died - need help figuring out if I can find a work-around

2010-03-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 03/17/2010 10:16 AM, Edgar Kalkowski wrote: Just a FYI, looks like fedora has pdftk with a gcc44 patch: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/pdftk/F-13/ That looks interesting. But wouldn’t that require gcc 4.4 to be build with Java support? BEcause I tried that and sadly couldn’t

Re: [arch-general] Thunderbird 3 annoyance

2010-03-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 03/17/2010 09:41 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: I'm having a little annoyance with TBird 3, and was wondering if anyone was experiencing the same thing and/or had a workaround. I have a large tree of folders in TBird, from 2 different IMAP accounts. So I use the Unread Folders view, in

Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?

2010-03-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 03/05/2010 01:16 AM, Brendan Long wrote: On 03/04/2010 05:22 PM, Baho Utot wrote: The only thing I really need from KDE is the Konqueror web browser. Wait.. someone who actually likes Konqueror? Why? Why, fish, sftp, kdiff3 integration, single click focus in the space between

Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?

2010-03-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 03/03/2010 05:20 PM, Giovanni Scafora wrote: 2010/3/4, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com: 13:47 archangel:~ /opt/kde/bin/konqueror --profile filemanagement /opt/kde/bin/konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such

Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?

2010-03-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 03/17/2010 09:51 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 03/03/2010 05:20 PM, Giovanni Scafora wrote: Hopefull back on topic... I have gotten kde3 working on my new server (mostly). Currently, I simply soft-linked libjpeg.so.62 and libpng12.so and libpng12.so.0 to the current libs

Re: [arch-general] Does anybody still have kde3 running? libpng problems preventing apps from running?

2010-03-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 03/17/2010 10:09 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Also, kde3 kate works, but you get a lot of warnings dumped to console. Does anyone know the what the problem causing the following messages is: kate: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype text/plain kate: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype