On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> With the new virtualbox update I had to obtain virtualbox version in a
> script (and of course, virtualbox binary doesn't have a sane --version
> parameter...).
>
> Anyway, its pretty simple to pacman -Qi virtualbox | grep -e
> "^Version" | awk '
[...]
>>
>> Is it normal to get the web managing page talking in japanese or
>> chinese when clicking on "manage printers" ?
>
> Somehow yes. It seems to be an upstream issue. Same here. It should be
> English at least. Please report it upstream.
>
Only tabs are affected. And it is known upstream,
May be this is a silly question but: will there be a general announcement
when systemd became officially adopted?
As T. G. said in the Dev list:
"If a move should happen, I suggest waiting a bit longer until more unit
files have been added to our various packages. And to allow some more time
to se
On 26 July 2012 06:37, Christian Hesse wrote:
> Morris on Thu, 2012/07/26 11:24:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Oon-Ee Ng
> wrote:
> >
>
Or the same with cut:
>
> $ pacman -Q virtualbox | cut -d' ' -f2
> 4.1.18-4
>
> Getting the complete package information is not required.
> -
>
I was
On 26 July 2012 16:08, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
> In fact, at some point you realize that while there are a lot of
> beautiful and clean systems, a lot of our entire computing stack is ugly
> hacks on top of ugly
>
And we get used to our particular ugly hack and then complain like
hell when someone
Thanks to Morris and Christian (karol too, but rather not have an
additional package). Can't seem to find a reference to this specific
behaviour on the pacman manpage, unfortunately, but it'll simplify my
script.
Looks like there's no way not to have the last -4 included though, but
since that's v
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, drankinatty
wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Working with gimp 2.8, all of the slider controls are now these
> awkward highlighted regions instead of being normal sliders. How can I
> change the interface to get the normal gtk controls back. Here is what I
> see for all the sl
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Jeremiah Dodds
wrote:
> Martin Cigorraga writes:
>
>> Ugly hacks are a fact in sysadmins life and it will not prevent me from
>> sleep
>> like a baby :)
>
> In fact, at some point you realize that while there are a lot of
> beautiful and clean systems, a lot of ou
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:44:16 +0200
Andreas Radke wrote:
> A major cups update hits testing. Cups has dropped native printer
> browsing support for Linux OS, you now need to run the avahi-daemon
> before you start cupsd.
So to be clear, this is only printer network discovery, right (at least that
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:
> On 07/26/2012 10:52 PM, Matias Hick wrote:
> > Do you know any guide to configure postfix with dovecot?
> > Thanks for the advise. I'll do some research about it.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase >wrote:
> >
>
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Karol Blazewicz
wrote:
> Re:
> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-July/023304.html
>
> Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> At Thomas' suggestion I added a new manpage: ArchLinux(7)
>
> Does it have to be CamelCase?
Nope. Changed in git.
-t
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:38 -0500, Myra Nelson wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:21 -0500, Myra Nelson wrote:
> >> To all the rest flame if you must
> >
> > OT: I like this list, because I didn't notice "real" flame. Different
> > levels o
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:21 -0500, Myra Nelson wrote:
>> To all the rest flame if you must
>
> OT: I like this list, because I didn't notice "real" flame. Different
> levels of knowledge and being a little bit rough etc. is far away from
> fla
Re: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-July/023304.html
Tom Gundersen wrote:
> At Thomas' suggestion I added a new manpage: ArchLinux(7)
Does it have to be CamelCase?
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:21 -0500, Myra Nelson wrote:
> To all the rest flame if you must
OT: I like this list, because I didn't notice "real" flame. Different
levels of knowledge and being a little bit rough etc. is far away from
flame.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 26, 2012 05:22:09 PM Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>>> >> t
>> 3) instead of LOCALIZATION section I should specify timezone in
>> /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime. And again the same question. Why?
>
> /etc/timezone is not used by initscripts, don't know what the benefit of
> that one is. What matters is /etc/localtime.
>From https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind
On 07/26/2012 10:52 PM, Matias Hick wrote:
> Do you know any guide to configure postfix with dovecot?
> Thanks for the advise. I'll do some research about it.
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:
>
>> On 07/26/2012 10:30 PM, Matias Hick wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>> I'm trying to in
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> Yeah, because key=value pairs are more complicated then, you know, a
> programming language?
Apples and oranges.
What you read in a bash script is what actually gets executed.
And this is being done by a tool that is not specific for
Do you know any guide to configure postfix with dovecot?
Thanks for the advise. I'll do some research about it.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:
> On 07/26/2012 10:30 PM, Matias Hick wrote:
> > Hey,
> > I'm trying to install courier-authlib but after installation it says
Am Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:05:54 +0200
schrieb Frederic Bezies :
> On 26/07/2012 20:44, Andreas Radke wrote:
> [cups and cupsd.conf cleaning]
> >
> > My server seems to print well. Clients can see the printers in the
> > print dialog here. Please report broken stuff you may find to our
> > tracker or
On 07/26/2012 10:30 PM, Matias Hick wrote:
> Hey,
> I'm trying to install courier-authlib but after installation it says
> "error: command failed to execute correctly".
> It looks like it's installed but I also have issues trying to start
> authdaemond (chown: invalid user: 'courier:courier').
> Fo
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:30 -0300, Matias Hick wrote:
> It looks like it's installed
It might be installed or not ;)
pacman -Qi courier-authlib
Hey,
I'm trying to install courier-authlib but after installation it says
"error: command failed to execute correctly".
It looks like it's installed but I also have issues trying to start
authdaemond (chown: invalid user: 'courier:courier').
For any reason, it's expecting to have the courier user c
I'm sorry for the subject, I pressed send before finishing it :-P
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Matias Hick wrote:
> Hey,
> I'm trying to install courier-authlib but after installation it says
> "error: command failed to execute correctly".
> It looks like it's installed but I also have issue
Hey,
I'm trying to install courier-authlib but after installation it says
"error: command failed to execute correctly".
It looks like it's installed but I also have issues trying to start
authdaemond (chown: invalid user: 'courier:courier').
For any reason, it's expecting to have the courier user c
Martin Cigorraga writes:
> Ugly hacks are a fact in sysadmins life and it will not prevent me from
> sleep
> like a baby :)
In fact, at some point you realize that while there are a lot of
beautiful and clean systems, a lot of our entire computing stack is ugly
hacks on top of ugly hacks ;)
--
On 26/07/2012 20:44, Andreas Radke wrote:
[cups and cupsd.conf cleaning]
My server seems to print well. Clients can see the printers in the
print dialog here. Please report broken stuff you may find to our
tracker or upstream.
Is it normal to get the web managing page talking in japanese or ch
A major cups update hits testing. Cups has dropped native printer
browsing support for Linux OS, you now need to run the avahi-daemon
before you start cupsd.
Make sure you also cleanup your cupds.conf.
My server seems to print well. Clients can see the printers in the
print dialog here. Please re
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Bjoern Franke wrote:
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 25.07.2012, 20:42 +0100 schrieb Leonidas Spyropoulos:
>
>> Maybe it's just my idea but I think the system is somewhat faster on
>> the booting now.
>>
>> Just my opinion but as I see initscripts are abandoned and Archlinux
Am 26.07.2012 17:52, schrieb satisficer:
On 2012-07-25, Nelson Marambio wrote:
for joining audio dramas (d/l from Amazon) which come along in
MP3-Format I use a short script
mp3wrap tmp.mp3 *.mp3
Does anyone have an advice for me?
For a quick, dirty, and temporary solution:
I use `cat` to
Am Mittwoch, den 25.07.2012, 20:42 +0100 schrieb Leonidas Spyropoulos:
> Maybe it's just my idea but I think the system is somewhat faster on
> the booting now.
>
> Just my opinion but as I see initscripts are abandoned and Archlinux
> is a bleeding edge distro, it's natural solution to adopt sy
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
>>
>> last command also fails. this is one reason i had the `link up`
>> command at the end -- it always succeeds.
>>
>> what's wrong with delaying `link up` until the end?
>
> My understanding (/assumption/misconception?) was that one had to
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:13:42 AM Nicholas MIller wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Mike wrote:
> > On 26/07/12 16:35, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> >> The 26/07/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> By the way ...
> >>>
>
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Mike wrote:
> On 26/07/12 16:35, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
>
>> The 26/07/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way ...
>>> ... is there the need to improve something that already works
>>>
>>
On 26/07/12 16:35, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
The 26/07/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
By the way ...
... is there the need to improve something that already works
As I've already said, it does NOT work. Systems based on init scripts
are BROKEN
On 2012-07-25, Nelson Marambio wrote:
> for joining audio dramas (d/l from Amazon) which come along in
> MP3-Format I use a short script
>
> mp3wrap tmp.mp3 *.mp3
>
> Does anyone have an advice for me?
For a quick, dirty, and temporary solution:
I use `cat` to join mp3 files. I believe the hea
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>> i've got nothing to back this up, but i'm guessing this one is going
>> to be a little trickier ... mainly because there are multiple packages
>> that are *expected* to exist in
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On 07/26/2012 07:49 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:13 AM, David Benfell
> wrote:
>>
>> Even with all those dashes in front of every command, it exits
>> with a code and is plainly unhappy. Which I find mystifying.
>
> hmm
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:13 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
>
> Even with all those dashes in front of every command, it exits with a
> code and is plainly unhappy. Which I find mystifying.
hmm, i'm not 100% sure either -- my guess is because the `add`
commands are in fact failing (addr already added)
The 26/07/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
>
> > By the way ...
>
> ... is there the need to improve something that already works
As I've already said, it does NOT work. Systems based on init scripts
are BROKEN because some of them scripts won't
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On 07/26/2012 03:36 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
> The standard thing is to place it in /etc/systemd/system. However,
> this will not start it on next boot. For that you should
> "systemctl enable nonstandard-network.service" (which will create a
> sym
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On 07/25/2012 11:34 PM, Guillaume Brunerie wrote:
>
> It’s /bin/zsh.
>
Oh, this is an artifact from the fact I have so many scripts I copied
over from whatever Debian-variant distribution I was using before. I
have it sym-linked.
- --
David Benfell
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On 07/25/2012 10:58 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>
> i modified it for you here: http://dpaste.com/775539/plain/
>
Thanks! This approach seems to be fruitful, and of the network
daemons, only tor and freshclam are coming up without the network
succ
The 25/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > If a service is not provided:
> > - with SysVinit you have to write the whole script usually relying on
> > whatever library the distribution provides (which tend to be
> > error-prone);
> > - with systemd, you just write a configuration file.
> >
>
> We
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:50:47 PM Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
>
> wrote:
> > Why will /opt have to go?
>
> I don't think we will ever manage to get rid of /opt. However, if we
> were to follow brainworker's renaming scheme I'd suggest
>
> /opt to
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:07:02 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:52:49AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:43 +0300, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:57:26 AM Dennis Herbrich wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:52:49AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:43 +0300, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
> > >
> > > wrote:
[putolin]
> > Sorry, what kind o
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On Thursday, July 26, 2012 05:22:09 PM Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>>
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>> >> those are bash scripts
>> >
>> > Exactly, but what is better whe
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:31:49 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:22 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> > >> those are bash scripts
> > >
> > > Exactly, but what
The 25/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote:
> And this is against UNIX philosophy and makes it like something
> proprietary, at least it's anything else than comfortable. Why not just
> using a simple text file where I can list every "service" that I want
> to have started? systemd could easily read this fil
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 05:22:09 PM Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> >> those are bash scripts
> >
> > Exactly, but what is better when we need to use irrational cryptic text
> > files to set
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:56:37 AM Rodrigo Rivas wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jayesh Badwaik > wrote:
> > > Well, then:
> > > /opt -> /usr/opt
> > >
> > > And everyone will be happy :)
> >
> > No, I guess not, /usr is for vendor-supplied stuff. /opt is for personal
> > stuf
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 04:48:30 PM Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Jayesh Badwaik
>
> wrote:
[putolin]
> Actually, re-reading that, I'm not sure you understand too much about
> how initscripts work (and what they do) either. Not that I'm an expert
> myself, but when you
>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>> > Perhaps it may be nice to have a pacman flag to obtain just the
>> > version string. I'll file a feature request, but before that anyone
>> > has an comments on why it would be useless or a bad idea?
Use expac:
$ expac %v -S virtualbox
4.
> "systemctl list-unit-files" gives a very nice and quick overview.
> Otherwise you can use "tree /etc/systemd/system" if that is what you
> prefer. I don't see the point of doing that, but if that's what floats
> your boat, it should give you the same information without the use of
> a tool.
The
Op 26 jul. 2012 10:56 schreef "Rodrigo Rivas"
het volgende:
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jayesh Badwaik <
jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > > Well, then:
> > >
> > > /opt -> /usr/opt
> > >
> > > And everyone will be happy :)
> >
> > No, I guess not, /usr is for vendor-suppli
The 26/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Principally right again. But I have a problem with booting daemons in
> parallel, on Gentoo as well as on Arch. Made several problems. But I
> can't tell anymore which. So I prefer booting in serial, even if it's
> slower.
Right. It's not much surprising that Ge
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 14:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 13:53 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> > wrote:
> > > For example, how should (others and) I know that just "Before" or
> > > "After" is needed?
> >
> > By reading the man
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 13:53 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
> > For example, how should (others and) I know that just "Before" or
> > "After" is needed?
>
> By reading the manpage: "If a unit foo.service contains a setting
> Before=bar.service
Christian Hesse on Thu, 2012/07/26 12:46:
> Christian Hesse on Thu, 2012/07/26 10:27:
> > Rodrigo Rivas on Thu, 2012/07/26 10:18:
> > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why will /opt have to go?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, then:
> > >
> > > /opt ->
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 13:29 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
> Arch Linux is one of the "less painful" distributions, as you rightly put it.
> Let's keep it that way, along with the "early adopter" spirit.
I promised to be quiet, forgive me for replying again, in this case I've
to apologize, since Ar
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> For example, how should (others and) I know that just "Before" or
> "After" is needed?
By reading the manpage: "If a unit foo.service contains a setting
Before=bar.service and both units are being started, bar.service's
start-up is delayed un
On Thursday 26 Jul 2012 12:50:47 Tom Gundersen wrote:
> I don't think we will ever manage to get rid of /opt. However, if we
> were to follow brainworker's renaming scheme I'd suggest
>
> /opt to /crap
>
> Should make it clear what kind of packages belong there ;-)
;-)
--
Jayesh Badwaik
stop h
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> I still believe that there should be a script/program which can output
>> all the configurations from different file onto the terminal describing the
>> currently configured boot process.
>
>
> I nice perhaps ncurses gui or any config dis
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 13:19 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> This is not true. You only need to specify either Before= or After=,
> not both. The reason that both exist, is that you should have the
> choice of which .service file to add the dependency.
And step by step it becomes easier to understand
Hello.
I faced a weird bug a few minutes ago. Networkmanager (testing one)
lost connection. Restarting it : no more connection either.
Got this in /var/log/errors.log
Jul 26 13:09:55 localhost NetworkManager[655]: start_monitor:
assertion `priv->pid > 0' failed
Jul 26 13:20:21 localhost NetworkM
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:59:29PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:31 +0200, Alexandre Ferrando wrote:
> > On 26 July 2012 12:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > I don't claim to be an expert, I already mentioned that I'm a dummy. So
> > > again: Is Linux in the future for experts
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>> those are bash scripts
>
> Exactly, but what is better when we need to use irrational cryptic text
> files to set up or Linux, instead of easy to understand bash scrips?
I don't understa
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:52 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote: [snip]
Fair play. So we've got Arch for experts and Ubuntu using Unity for
idiots, but no Linux for averaged people?!
I'm kidding! For good reasons I still recommend Ubuntu/Debian and Arch,
depending to the users needs. Until now everything
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
wrote:
> DISCLAIMER: I support systemd but haven't switched to it yet, because I
> haven't had time till now, and also because I have some concerns. I like
> the ease-of-use that systems like PA/Systemd brings but I sincerely
> appreciate issues lik
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:45:28PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> "Never change a winning team" as long as your alternative for sure does
> improve the computer usage for everybody.
I assume you wanted to say "unless" instead of "as long as".
First off, "everybody" is not Arch Linux' target demogra
I'd like to know how many "basic unskilled" users have noticed when
fedora moved to systemd ?
That should be a good way to inform the community about this technical switch.
Best,
Antoine
2012/7/26 Ralf Mardorf :
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:31 +0200, Alexandre Ferrando wrote:
>> On 26 July 2012 12
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> i've got nothing to back this up, but i'm guessing this one is going
> to be a little trickier ... mainly because there are multiple packages
> that are *expected* to exist in /bin. `bash` (sh) and `coreutils` are
> the two major ones
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> ... We want valid opinion here
> not bashing.
>
> Bash even is smaller than systemds core binary...
At this point in the discussion it is clear that Bash has been written for
bashing.
Just try not to take everything so seriously...
--
R
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:31 +0200, Alexandre Ferrando wrote:
> On 26 July 2012 12:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I don't claim to be an expert, I already mentioned that I'm a dummy. So
> > again: Is Linux in the future for experts only?
> >
>
> Arch has always been targeted towards a competent userb
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
wrote:
> Why will /opt have to go?
I don't think we will ever manage to get rid of /opt. However, if we
were to follow brainworker's renaming scheme I'd suggest
/opt to /crap
Should make it clear what kind of packages belong there ;-)
-t
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:07:02PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I don't claim to be an expert, I already mentioned that I'm a dummy. So
> again: Is Linux in the future for experts only?
I'm at a loss what kind of answer you are expecting, nobody has any "right" or
even the ability to answer such a
Christian Hesse on Thu, 2012/07/26 10:27:
> Rodrigo Rivas on Thu, 2012/07/26 10:18:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Why will /opt have to go?
> > >
> >
> > Well, then:
> >
> > /opt -> /usr/opt
> >
> > And everyone will be happy :)
> >
> > BTW, wil
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
> By the way ...
... is there the need to improve something that already works, while
there are other things that still don't work? Do you give a guarantee
that systemd won't make things more complicated and that everything,
every user use
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:05 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
> I have no evidence that it actually runs. If nothing else, I would
> expect a pause, while it works its way through all those "sleep 1"
> statements even if everything succeeds on the first try. And my
> understanding is that none of my netwo
On 26 July 2012 12:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I don't claim to be an expert, I already mentioned that I'm a dummy. So
> again: Is Linux in the future for experts only?
>
Arch has always been targeted towards a competent userbase, if you're
not that kind of person, there's still distros that don't
Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> hmmm, I think I've brought this up before and forgotten the response,
> something along the lines of they are not static anymore anyway. They
> are atleast majoratively on OpenBSD.
*BSD ignored most FHS agreements from 1987 and unfortunately Linux followed
this.
> I bel
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 11:57 +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:52:49AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:43 +0300, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
> > > wrote:
> > > > With respect to daemons, the BEFORE a
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:52:49AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:43 +0300, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
> > wrote:
> > > With respect to daemons, the BEFORE and AFTER in the service files is
> > > redundant and though not like
> I still believe that there should be a script/program which can output
> all the configurations from different file onto the terminal describing the
> currently configured boot process.
I nice perhaps ncurses gui or any config displaying binary always comes
along but shouldn't be required
> I read it, and all I have to say is that you obviously haven't done
> much (or any?) reading on systemd. That should be a pre-requisite to
> posting a request for information, and it IS if you're an Arch (DIY)
> user.
I read it and there are valid points for and against that some choose
to ignor
> »
> The merged directory /usr, containing almost the entire vendor-supplied
> operating system resources, offers us a number of new features regarding
> OS snapshotting and options for enterprise environments for network
> sharing or running multiple guests on one host. Most of this is much
>
> Why will /opt have to go?
I think he meant it will have to leave root.
It should have been under /usr like /usr/local in the first place.
--
Why not do something good every day and install BOINC.
_
> If the system is so borked and you dont have the busybox around, you can
> also delete the root=whatever from the kernel command line and you will get
> a (initramfs) prompt. Then you can use it as a quick'n'dirty rescue system.
This assumes the user is knowledgeable too. If a script fails chan
> > Nevertheless, this overall good opinion can't hide certain (or significant I
> > might say) worries. Your system now relies in a bunch of binary code that
> > might not be posible to workaround if something goes wrong. Scripts may not
> > be
> > as efficient but they are great in order to skip
> > Odd, Arch uses SysV's init, but it certainly doesn't have a SysVinit
> > init system. It's much closer to BSD, and a lot of the tools we use
> > are custom.
>
> I know, and it's not necessarily bad.
>
I find OpenBSDs to be brilliantly straight forward. Part of that might
be because there
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 12:43 +0300, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
> wrote:
> > With respect to daemons, the BEFORE and AFTER in the service files is
> > redundant and though not likely to cause errors, likely to be
> > inconsistent, because for every ser
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 14:18 +0530, Jayesh Badwaik wrote:
> > > Well, then:
> > >
> > > /opt -> /usr/opt
> > >
> > > And everyone will be happy :)
> >
> > No, I guess not, /usr is for vendor-supplied stuff. /opt is for personal
> > stuff. That is the conflict.
>
> I
On Thursday 26 Jul 2012 16:48:30 Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> I read it, and all I have to say is that you obviously haven't done
> much (or any?) reading on systemd. That should be a pre-requisite to
> posting a request for information, and it IS if you're an Arch (DIY)
> user.
>
At one point, I had read
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
wrote:
> With respect to daemons, the BEFORE and AFTER in the service files is
> redundant and though not likely to cause errors, likely to be
> inconsistent, because for every service file where a daemon "xyz" appears
> in AFTER, the corresponding
Ken CC wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:48:00PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I laugh away this trouble.
> > Is there any information about the advantages of lib -> usr/lib?
>
> anyone likes to answer this question?
The "advantage" is that you no longer can boot with a small root filesystem
Ian Fleming wrote:
> I beleive its a question of
>
> How is the filesytem structure and its distributed nature/capabilities
> relevant today
>
> i.e the need for /bin or /lib even.
/bin has been removed in 1987 already - in favor of a symlink to /usr/bin and a
few programs in the (at that tim
Morris on Thu, 2012/07/26 11:24:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>
> > With the new virtualbox update I had to obtain virtualbox version in a
> > script (and of course, virtualbox binary doesn't have a sane --version
> > parameter...).
> >
> > Anyway, its pretty simple to pa
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 17:22 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 16:48 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> >> those are bash scripts
> >
> > Exactly, but what is better when we need to use irrational cryptic text
> > files to set up or Li
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