Thomas Rand writes:
> On 16 August 2012 06:53, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
>>
>> I tend to prefer systems that provide mailing lists and forums as two
>> separate frontends to the same data.
>>
>> As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
>> are for, no? People can (or at
Thomas Rand wrote:
[snipped irrelevant content]
> I use gmail yet ooh I bottom post!
*chuckles*
And tomorrow we'll learn how to quote properly and how to modify a subject
line, while we're on the topic of mail hygiene? And all that without undue
sarcasm, but in a polite and helpful manner?
Imposs
On 16 August 2012 05:00, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
>>> wrote:
>>> > gotta feeling this was supposed to go on twitter or f
On 5 August 2012 14:13, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01tto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thank you!!
> --
> (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile
> (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination.
> (> <) come join the dark side.
> /_|_\ (we have cookies.)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Øyvind Heggstad
> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:53:02AM -0400, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
> As far as ML noise goes, that's what killfiles and client-side filters
> are for, no? People can (or at least should be able to) configure their
> mailreaders to mute people or topics they want to mute.
This. This so very much.
We'
On 16 August 2012 07:20, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
> Baho: it's sad to see you leave pal but in the future try to not let things
> bring you down so easily, the world is full of suckers and the sooner you
> learn to live with that the better.
> Tom: I will miss your answers, they were often very use
On 16 August 2012 06:53, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
> Oon-Ee Ng writes:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, "set" wrote:
> Aren't there any moderators who can kick off trouble ma
Baho: it's sad to see you leave pal but in the future try to not let things
bring you down so easily, the world is full of suckers and the sooner you
learn to live with that the better.
Tom: I will miss your answers, they were often very useful and make help
understand a bit more the inner workings
Oon-Ee Ng writes:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>>> On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, "set" wrote:
Aren't there any moderators who can kick off trouble makers ?
>>> That's not how MLs work. Unfortunately
>
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:28:49 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
Sorry to see you go. Although I don't post much here I do read and
appreciate your prompt and very informative responses to the various
issues that are on arch-general. If this is because of the recent
flame-wars over systemd, couldn't you
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 7:27:29 PM Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
> with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
> sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
> how most devs i
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
>> wrote:
>> > gotta feeling this was supposed to go on twitter or facebook, but he
>> missed
>> > horridly.
>>
>> Botto
On 08/15/2012 05:02 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 15.08.2012 03:30, schrieb Michael Nawrocki:
>> I'm trying to get my laptop backlight keys (fn+f6/f7) to adjust the
>> brightness of my toshiba laptop backlight.
> I am curious. With 3.3 and earlier, my keys used to adjust brightness on
> their own.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
> wrote:
> > gotta feeling this was supposed to go on twitter or facebook, but he
> missed
> > horridly.
>
> Bottom-posting, man.
>
> And this thread is STILL more productive than the
> th
On 15/08/12, Tobias Powalowski wrote:
| Hi guys,
| please signoff 3.4.9 series for both arches.
| package is not in testing, please grab it from here:
x86_64 all good on a Lenovo T410s and 2 x VPS boxes.
--
Simon Perry (aka Pezz)
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On Aug 16, 2012 4:07 AM, "Oon-Ee Ng" wrote:
> Bottom-posting, man.
>
> And this thread is STILL more productive than the
> thread-which-shall-not-be-named =)
Ain't that the truth.
Back on topic, I think Facebook offers an option to post from email (at
least I am sure you can respond to commends
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
wrote:
> gotta feeling this was supposed to go on twitter or facebook, but he missed
> horridly.
Bottom-posting, man.
And this thread is STILL more productive than the
thread-which-shall-not-be-named =)
2012/8/15 Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr. :
> gotta feeling this was supposed to go on twitter or facebook, but he missed
> horridly.
>
+1. Well, here we have a candidate to failblog.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>> On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, "set" wrote:
>>> Aren't there any moderators who can kick off trouble makers ?
>>>
>> That's not how MLs work. Unfortunately
>
> I think there are list man
gotta feeling this was supposed to go on twitter or facebook, but he missed
horridly.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Aurko Roy wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Jorge Almeida
> wrote:
>
> > Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom.
> >
>
> Are you also smoking something in the bathroom?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, "set" wrote:
>> Aren't there any moderators who can kick off trouble makers ?
>>
> That's not how MLs work. Unfortunately
I think there are list management software that can allows moderation
But there should be someone wi
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom.
>
Are you also smoking something in the bathroom?
--
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2012/8/16 Fons Adriaensen :
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:12:58AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>
>> On 16 August 2012 03:46, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>
>> >> It is a new 'upstream' that we can rely on for running our GNU/Lin
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:44:07PM -0700, David Benfell wrote:
> There is almost always a tension between those who know what they are
> doing and those who don't.
There is also conflict between people who simply have different values.
On 16 Aug 2012 04:57, "set" wrote:
>
> Le mercredi 15 août 2012 22:02:57 fredbezies a écrit :
> > Hello.
> >
> > I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
> > and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
> > people - can we define them as bottom
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:12:58AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>
> > On 16 August 2012 03:46, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>
> > >> It is a new 'upstream' that we can
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
...
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general.
Tom please stay engaged with user community. May I suggest instead
the creation of a new list (something like):
arch-users-technical
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM, David Benfell
wrote:
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> On 08/15/2012 12:51 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz
>>> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15,
Le mercredi 15 août 2012 22:02:57 fredbezies a écrit :
> Hello.
>
> I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
> and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
> people - can we define them as bottom holes ? - are rotting this
> mailing list, and t
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> Aurko Roy [2012.08.15 2040 +0530]:
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You can achieve the same by adding the instructions to write to
> > > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness to an appropriate fil
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On 08/15/2012 12:51 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen
>>> wrote:
Hi guys,
>>
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:12:58AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> On 16 August 2012 03:46, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> >> It is a new 'upstream' that we can rely on for running our GNU/Linux
> >> systems. It so happens that
Aurko Roy [2012.08.15 2040 +0530]:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
>
> >
> > You can achieve the same by adding the instructions to write to
> > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness to an appropriate file in
> > tmpfiles.d.
> > Read the section on temporary files in t
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>> It is a new 'upstream' that we can rely on for running our GNU/Linux
>> systems. It so happens that this time it's a core part of the system
>> that's being 'standardised'. If you're not a fan of freedesktop.org,
>> then I'm afraid that's
On 15/08/12 at 09:43pm, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
> >> with arch-general.
> >
> > What is th
On 16 August 2012 03:46, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>
>> Please think of systemd as the freedesktop.org specs for desktop files
>> or graphical interoperability between distributions (X11, d-bus).
>
> I'm trying to attach some meanin
Hello.
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some
people - can we define them as bottom holes ? - are rotting this
mailing list, and the community too.
Last threads on systemd was useless. And I can u
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
>>> with arch-general.
>>
>> What is
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> Please think of systemd as the freedesktop.org specs for desktop files
> or graphical interoperability between distributions (X11, d-bus).
I'm trying to attach some meaning to that sentence, but so
far I can't.
> It is a new 'u
Tom,
I for one am sorry to see that you have had to become less active on this list.
I have found your contributions to be quite valuable. Furthermore, I want to
personally thank you for helping to solve one of very few problems I have had
with Linux in general, and Arch Linux specifically. I am
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
>> with arch-general.
>
> What is the preferred way to contact you or other devs with questions
> o
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Another point: Someone on the so-called "official" G+ stated:
>
> "Arch will move to systemd only boot process..."
True, but it basically links to
http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html
It's an unfort
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On 08/15/2012 11:44 AM, Spyros Papageorgiou wrote:
> If i had to guess, i would say, it sounds like something(some
> files) got corrupted due to the power outage. Don't know how you
> would go about fixing that. Maybe reinstall linux linux-utils
> syst
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
> with arch-general.
What is the preferred way to contact you or other devs with questions
or suggestions (better wording for an announcement etc.)? I know some
> I will do you one better I will be unsubscribing to all arch mailing
> lists and taking my leave.
I may have been annoying to some in my own hopefully non offensive
capacity but I've seen a couple of people with good arguments have them
taken apart or twisted on mute points and then pointlessly
> A few years ago, I would emphatically have agreed with you. Now,
> getting those patches to provide services that are now taken for
> granted with MTAs to play nice with each other is a serious
> undertaking. If Dan (or someone else) was actually maintaining the
> project and producing a coherent
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
> > wrote:
> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so
> consider me a skeptic.
> >>>
> >>> That'
If i had to guess, i would say, it sounds like something(some files) got
corrupted due to the power outage.
Don't know how you would go about fixing that.
Maybe reinstall linux linux-utils systemd systemd-tools.
On 15 August 2012 21:36, David Benfell wrote:
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Hi guys,
please signoff 3.4.9 series for both arches.
package is not in testing, please grab it from here:
http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/linux/
This will move to [core] directly, because 3.5.2 is in [testing].
greetings
tpowa
--
Tobias Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa
According to Felipe Contreras:
#It is general knowledge that scripting languages are generally simpler
#than compiling languages.
#
#But fine, compare a few lines of rc.sysinit:
#
## mount the API filesystems
## /proc, /sys, /run, /dev, /run/lock, /dev/pts, /dev/shm
#mountpoint -q /proc|| mou
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On 08/15/2012 11:31 AM, David Benfell wrote:
> On 08/15/2012 10:55 AM, Jameson wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:03 AM, David Benfell
>> wrote:
>>> Also when I log in, the password is visible.
>
>> The first place I would check for this would be y
On 15/08/2012 1:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Hi guys,
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
how most devs interact with the list (
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On 08/15/2012 10:55 AM, Jameson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:03 AM, David Benfell
> wrote:
>> Also when I log in, the password is visible.
>
> The first place I would check for this would be your console
> font/keymap config in /etc/vconsole.
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On 08/15/2012 03:16 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> Have you looked at qmail lately?
>
> What do you mean. Qmail is one of the best mailers out there. You
> do need patches and in fact some huge patches bring it up to speed
> in one go?
>
A few years ag
On 16 August 2012 01:21, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> So, if you *already* know that there are problems, why not wait?
> What's wrong with waiting another year, and see if you don't see so
> many problems then? What's the hurry to break people's systems?
Felipe, we've been doing that all along. This
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/15/2012 11:01 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Baho Utot
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
> On Wed, A
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:47:10 -0400
Baho Utot wrote:
> Those that want to insult me (again you know who you are) go right
> ahead if it makes you feel good.
> Sorry I wont' see your insults.
>
> Good luck and Good nite
>
> Mabuhay
>
http://youtu.be/ey0wvGiAH9g
Not that I have ever insulted y
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> Ad hominem fallacy.
I don't know if you're trying to show that you really know
argumentation topics by heart or just trying to make peopple dislike
you right away. That kind of snobish sance doesn't help you at all.
--
A: Because it obf
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>>> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
> with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
> sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
> how most devs in
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
> wrote:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:03 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
> Also
> when I log in, the password is visible.
The first place I would check for this would be your console
font/keymap config in /etc/vconsole.conf:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Console_and_keymap
=-Jameson
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure in due
On 08/15/2012 01:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Hi guys,
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
how most devs interact with the list
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2012-08-15 15:03:21 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
>> > Everywhere:
>> >
>> > https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=systemd+boot+time
>>
>> You call that evidence? Did you even clic
> So, if you *already* know that there are problems, why not wait?
> What's wrong with waiting another year, and see if you don't see so
> many problems then? What's the hurry to break people's systems?
Fedora still has grub2-beta which breaks multi-boot installs (a
documented problem!). I'll just
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Rémy Oudompheng
wrote:
>> cgroups, dbus, ipv6, udev, kmod, pam, libcap
>
> These dependencies just enumerate basic system administration tools in
> the form of libraries. A boot procedure relying on shell scripts would
> have the same dependencies as commands, tha
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:27:33 +0200
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Chadwick
>> wrote:
>> >> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
>> >> those fleshed out on a page where I
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Stéphane Gaudreault
> wrote:
>> (1) and (2) could be done after the missing unit files rebuild is over. They
>> should probably be announced at the same time as I expect that some users
>> will prefer a fresh
Hi guys,
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
how most devs interact with the list (or rather, how they do not).
My approach to a
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> On 15 August 2012 21:31, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> I just subscribed to this list, and 80% of the traffic I'm seeing is
>> problems with systemd. That should tell you something; systemd has
>> problems.
>
> Felipe, I understand where yo
On 08/15/2012 11:01 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
Does systemd not use the standard
mount p
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:21:25AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Here's one part
>
> A good design would make the init process which is always running and
> everyone must run.
>
> 1./ Be a small simple binary
>
> 2./ Have no dependencies
>
> 3./ Be easy to follow, fix and lockdown, best fit be
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 07:18:10PM -0700, David Benfell wrote:
> Have you looked at qmail lately?
Yup. Installed it just a couple weeks ago. Use it every day.
Pointed a coverity analysis at it the other week.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
>>> advantages, but I doubt
> Forking processes does not copy binaries.
>
Pulled out of silence for the very very last time.
It copies the parent which is much larger is what I meant. A real
problem for embedded where memory fragmentation matters to the point
that Google had code written just to handle it. The smaller the
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Mikael Eriksson
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:50:01PM +0200, Fred Verschueren wrote:
>> My problem:
>> When booting with init=/bin/systemd I have the following phenomenon:
>>
>> Job dev-mapper-nvidia_cjjcaiiep1.device/start timed out and booting
>> stops and
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Please think of systemd as the freedesktop.org specs for desktop files
> or graphical interoperability between distributions (X11, d-bus). It
> is a new 'upstream' that we can rely on for running our GNU/Linux
> systems. It s
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> though they may very well just keep chugging on,
>> pretending all is well.
>
> Very last post on systemd as you've said this before and I chose not to
> respond.
>
> No, they will throw a decriptive or general error and do what the scrip
On 15 August 2012 21:31, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> I just subscribed to this list, and 80% of the traffic I'm seeing is
> problems with systemd. That should tell you something; systemd has
> problems.
Felipe, I understand where you're coming from, and I can feel you.
But, the fact remains that yo
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:27:33 +0200
Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> wrote:
> >> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
> >> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
> >
> > Here's one part
> >
> > A good design wou
> Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required
> for
> systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems
> to flash
> something for a split second and close, which is also rather strange...
/etc/timezone is not needed really. I just created symlink
(
On 2012/8/15 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
>> > 1./ Be a small simple binary
>>
>> The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's
>> /sbin/init, but not by much).
>>
>
> Just 26 times as large and who knows how many times more complicated.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:49:22 -0400
Manolo Martínez wrote:
> On 08/15/12 at 12:25am, John K Pate wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:13:33 -0400
> > Manolo Martínez wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > If I'm not wrong, systemd makes consolekit superfluous. This is what I
> > > thought it took for
> though they may very well just keep chugging on,
> pretending all is well.
Very last post on systemd as you've said this before and I chose not to
respond.
No, they will throw a decriptive or general error and do what the script
author intended which could be sub routines, traps which could be
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required for
> systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems to
> flash
> something for a split second and close, which is also rather strange...
It
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required for
> systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems to
> flash
> something for a split second and close, which is also rather s
> Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
> >> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
> >> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
> >
> > Here's one part
> >
> > A good design would make the init process which is always running and
> > everyone must ru
Hello all,
Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required for
systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems to flash
something for a split second and close, which is also rather strange...
Paul
Am 15.08.2012 16:47, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
>> I already found another feature in
>> systemd that people always wanted for initscripts, but was too hard to
>> implement,
>
> After posting so much pointless and wrong text aside from systemd can
> do some things a little quicker which we all know.
[2012-08-15 15:08:21 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> > [2012-08-15 14:01:16 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler
> >> wrote:
> >> > Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> >> >> No. The "services
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
>
> You can achieve the same by adding the instructions to write to
> /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness to an appropriate file in
> tmpfiles.d.
> Read the section on temporary files in the systemd page on the archwiki.
>
> Cheers,
> No
[2012-08-15 15:03:21 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> > Everywhere:
> >
> > https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=systemd+boot+time
>
> You call that evidence? Did you even click on that link? Most of those
> results are of "fast" boot tim
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell
>>> wrote:
Does systemd not use the standard
mount program and follow /et
> I already found another feature in
> systemd that people always wanted for initscripts, but was too hard to
> implement,
After posting so much pointless and wrong text aside from systemd can
do some things a little quicker which we all know. Why haven't you told
us this feature which would be wo
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
> wrote:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel
On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
wrote:
> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
> So any time any program (like the kernel or any other project),
> breaks the user experience, to me, th
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 11:02:03 Thomas Bächler wrote:
> I am curious. With 3.3 and earlier, my keys used to adjust brightness
> on their own. Since 3.4, they don't, and only work in KDE, but not on
> the console.
>
> Was it a deliberate kernel change that the brightness keys have no
> effect?
T
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:50:01PM +0200, Fred Verschueren wrote:
> My problem:
> When booting with init=/bin/systemd I have the following phenomenon:
>
> Job dev-mapper-nvidia_cjjcaiiep1.device/start timed out and booting
> stops and I'm in a rescue shell.
> my /home partition is not mounted.
>
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