Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Roel Deckers
I think a poll is a good idea. Remember it's not about whether or not you're allowed to use initscripts/systemd, it's about what will become the default. Sure, in the end it's the devs who get the final call, they're putting in the work after all, but a poll can show whether the community agrees

Re: [arch-general] simple trick to make dealing with python 2/3 scripts easier

2012-08-19 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2012/8/17 Ben Booth benwbo...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of python scripts still use #!/usr/bin/python instead of explicitly stating which version of python to use. Here's quick trick to make running various python version 2 or 3 scripts easier: remove the /usr/bin/python symlink and replace

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Kelvin
I agree with you. Using systemd to be the default or not is a very disputable issue. Many people like me do not like it, but some people think that it is the trend and so accept it. A poll is the best way to solve this problem. 2012/8/19 Roel Deckers r.deckers...@gmail.com I think a poll is a

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Kevin Chadwick
A poll is the best way to solve this problem. A poll would be better done by the mailing list but I can't see anyone counting and verifying (even then newly seen addresses can't be verified) and many people don't really care as long as they're system works the way they want which is why Windows

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
Quoted from [1]: The hardest thing about voting is determining when to do it. In general, taking a vote should be very rare—a last resort for when all other options have failed. Don't think of voting as a great way to resolve debates. It isn't. It ends discussion, and thereby ends creative

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
On Sunday 19 Aug 2012 19:11:12 you wrote: I think the debate of default is useless. I meant the voting not debate. That was typo. -- Cheers and Regards Jayesh Badwaik stop html mail | always bottom-post www.asciiribbon.org | www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
On Sunday 19 Aug 2012 13:23:12 Roel Deckers wrote: I think a poll is a good idea. Remember it's not about whether or not you're allowed to use initscripts/systemd, it's about what will become the default. Sure, in the end it's the devs who get the final call, they're putting in the work after

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 01:23:12PM +0200, Roel Deckers wrote: Remember it's not about whether or not you're allowed to use initscripts/systemd, it's about what will become the default. No, maintaining both boot methods, even if upstream weren't abandoning init scripts (which they are going to)

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Damjan
A package for an MTA (for example) will have to know how to start itself up. You're left with the following options: 1. Rework the MTA to startup with your own method 2. Have the package maintainer somehow allow both such as... 3. Post to the AUR (or whatever) another version of the same

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana
2012/8/19 Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia archli...@ishpeck.net On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 01:23:12PM +0200, Roel Deckers wrote: Remember it's not about whether or not you're allowed to use initscripts/systemd, it's about what will become the default. No, maintaining both boot methods, even if

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 05:28:16PM +0200, Damjan wrote: A package for an MTA (for example) will have to know how to start itself up. You're left with the following options: 1. Rework the MTA to startup with your own method 2. Have the package maintainer somehow allow both such as... 3.

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Aug 19, 2012 10:35 AM, Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana dottorblas...@archlinux.us wrote: 2012/8/19 Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia archli...@ishpeck.net No, maintaining both boot methods, even if upstream weren't abandoning init scripts (which they are going to) would be a terrible waste

[arch-general] kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement: NetworkManager is not running. Please start it.

2012-08-19 Thread Martin Zecher
First of all, I know this has been talked about many times already, but I still have this problem (since about 3 months now) and haven't found a way to fix it. Most of the info is in this thread, but no one seems to be following it so I decided to ask in mail list:

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Damjan
A package for an MTA (for example) will have to know how to start itself up. You're left with the following options: 1. Rework the MTA to startup with your own method 2. Have the package maintainer somehow allow both such as... 3. Post to the AUR (or whatever) another version of the same

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Remember it's not about whether or not you're allowed to use initscripts/systemd, it's about what will become the default. No, maintaining both boot methods, even if upstream weren't abandoning init scripts (which they are going to) would be a terrible waste of time. What upstream are you

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana
2012/8/19 C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me IMO its very refreshing to finally see these deficiencies being tackled. Linux landscape had been thirsty for years about these decisions. I like very much the Arch approach to this matter and, as I said, I like systemd as my init system.

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-19 Thread Myra Nelson
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:37 AM, Rémy Oudompheng remyoudomph...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012/8/17 Myra Nelson myra.nel...@hughes.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Nicholas MIller nick.k...@gmail.com wrote: That seems to be one of the more well thought out (not pro), responces to

Re: [arch-general] kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement: NetworkManager is not running. Please start it.

2012-08-19 Thread Kwpolska
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Martin Zecher mzec...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, I know this has been talked about many times already, but I still have this problem (since about 3 months now) and haven't found a way to fix it. Most of the info is in this thread, but no one seems to be

Re: [arch-general] kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement: NetworkManager is not running. Please start it.

2012-08-19 Thread Martin Zecher
On Aug 19, 2012 2:06 PM, Kwpolska kwpol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Martin Zecher mzec...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, I know this has been talked about many times already, but I still have this problem (since about 3 months now) and haven't found a way to fix

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-19 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 07:14:29PM +0200, Damjan wrote: I don't understand why you think parsing is a hard thing. INI files have been around for millennia (in internet years) and both parsers and writers for them are well established in many languages. The question is not whether it is hard