Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Or much better self responsibility, sorry, I couldn't
resist. Use jackd, read the ff manual and control audio streams
yourself. Automation always tends to fail.
How I agree that manual control will give better results assuming
one knows what he is doing,
On 08/14/2012 03:17 AM, Tom Rand wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to
You are either trolling or don't understand that you are not one man group. We
have guidelines: He asked politely; be respectful back but also for others here.
On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On 08/14/2012 03:17 AM, Tom Rand wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 08:07 -0400, Alex Belanger wrote:
You are either trolling or don't understand that you are not one man
group. We have guidelines: He asked politely; be respectful back but
also for others here.
Top posting isn't nice too ;).
However, some shared mails off-list, if a
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same
pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and
then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket.
Nobody in the pro audio world
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 02:08 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
The same pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as
your arm and then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket.
No, that are rich consumers. I don't think that all of those consumers
are stupid audiophiles, I guess
Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share
of nonsense, but it's different nonsense.
Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile
example is a little funny without explanation.
--
___
'Write
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 12:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share
of nonsense, but it's different nonsense.
Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile
example is a little funny without explanation.
One hand washes the
On 13 August 2012 16:04, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same
pro audio world sells Ł10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and
then plugs them
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the
soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive, since in Germany we've got
an online retailer who sells equipment for less money.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the
soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive,
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 18:20 +0200, Karol Blazewicz wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean.
Which is Neutrik made in
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Karol Blazewicz
karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
Private I sometimes buy
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 16:35 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
after a while at LAU or
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 19:38 +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's
wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying
the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain
in analog
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the
signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases,
the error (a rounding error) is random and appears as noise. For a
16-bit card, that noise will have a level that is 98 dB lower
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 19:53 +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
Two points:
- You don't readjust the master continuously, but you don't
add/remove sources on the fly either. You adjust the master in the
beginning when you setup your system, but the reason you can do that
is because you
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:33:41PM +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the
signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases,
the error (a rounding error) is random and appears as
On 12 August 2012 02:47, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
This is completely sick. Any audio engineer trying to
use a mixer that way would (and should) be fired for
gross incompetence - immediately.
Argument by
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:47:59AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who
is sick of PA, but for once I'm seeing the chance to learn something
from one of these threads ;-)).
No authority needed here, it's just extremely clumsy to use
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 13:07 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
[4]
You can't apply a soundcard mixer gain change at some exact
point in a sample stream. So you can't change the master
gain and change your internal scaling to compensate at
exactly the same time. There will always be a glitch.
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 15:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 13:07 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
[4]
You can't apply a soundcard mixer gain change at some exact
point in a sample stream. So you can't change the master
gain and change your internal scaling to compensate
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 15:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 15:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 13:07 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
[4]
You can't apply a soundcard mixer gain change at some exact
point in a sample stream. So you can't change the
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer
that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that whenever you want
to adjust a single channnel you may have to adjust *all* others and
the master at the same time.
Unlike
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 16:00 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Ok. This is what I was wondering about. I will try to listen for
glitches then (I have not noticed any during my years of using PA, but
I'll pay more attention). If it is true that a noticeable glitch is
produced, then obviously you have
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer
that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that whenever you want
to adjust a single channnel you may have
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple)
case. However, you have not showed that it is unnecessary in all
cases, so this is not really relevant (had we been talking about a
human doing this, you'd
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:01:06 +
Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org
wrote:
it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer
that way, you'd need ten
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple)
case. However, you have not showed that it is unnecessary in all
cases, so this is
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:07:32 +
Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:47:59AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who
is sick of PA, but for once I'm seeing the chance to learn something
from one
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
If you have apps A, B, C with volumes a, b, c you can always
set the HW gain to unity gain (0dB), and send
s = a * A + b * B + c * C (1)
to the soundcard. What would be the advantage of doing what
PA does,
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:02:59 +0200
Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple)
case.
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote:
So... on my intel AD I have PCM and Master knobs (in alsa). Are you saying
that I should set Master to max (-0dB) and control volume through PCM only?
FWIW, on my intel soundcard I have Master, PCM and Front. When I
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB is
normalized to max power (in watts = intensity).
If I understand correctly, 0dB is don't apply any gain. On some
chips, that's indeed the same as max,
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:02 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
The second case, where the total gain should be 0dB, I would have
thought intuitively that doing this purely in software (especially on
very faint signals) would be less ideal than doing it in hw (you'd be
throwing away the resolution,
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 11:10 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB
is normalized to max power (in watts = intensity).
You can boost a signal.
... 0dB for the result of an
On 08/12/2012 10:00 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
[putolin]
Clearly, PA is not meant for professional audio work. And it might be
that for a professional all the PA logic is both unnecessary and maybe
even detrimental (so you'd use jack or pure ALSA instead, that should
not be a problem).
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 12:43 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/12/2012 10:00 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
[putolin]
Clearly, PA is not meant for professional audio work. And it might be
that for a professional all the PA logic is both unnecessary and maybe
even detrimental (so you'd use jack
On 12-08-2012 17:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:02 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
The second case, where the total gain should be 0dB, I would have
thought intuitively that doing this purely in software (especially on
very faint signals) would be less ideal than doing it in hw
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
It is never necessary. It it were that would imply that a sound
card without any gain controls (equivalent to a fixed 0 dB gain)
would fail in some cases. It doesn't. In fact many PRO cards are
just like that.
If you have apps A, B, C with volumes a, b, c you can
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:09 +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
On 12-08-2012 17:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:02 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
The second case, where the total gain should be 0dB, I would have
thought intuitively that doing this purely in software (especially on
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 19:38 +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
It is never necessary. It it were that would imply that a sound
card without any gain controls (equivalent to a fixed 0 dB gain)
would fail in some cases. It doesn't. In fact many PRO cards are
just like
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10:10AM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB is
normalized to max power (in watts = intensity).
[ Tom Leonid ]
Lots of questions...
I'll try to answer them, but not all at a time (I need to
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:29 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
What does this mean ? It means that the dynamic range of 95 dB is
more than enough. And if it isn't (as in a music studio where you'd
want higher peak levels and the ambient noise level is lower) you
just need a few more bits, maybe 20.
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 07:38:58PM +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's
wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying
the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain
in analog (or uses
On 12-08-2012 20:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Is it really possible to know exactly, every time, at what level the sum
of the audio streams are? IIRC float point does avoid some issues.
However, do you think it's smart to adjust at least two following
instances within the same audio chain at the
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 22:17 +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
On 12-08-2012 20:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Is it really possible to know exactly, every time, at what level the sum
of the audio streams are? IIRC float point does avoid some issues.
However, do you think it's smart to adjust at least
On 13 Aug 2012 04:31, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
Please don't tell me that PA is using 16-bit for its internal
operations - that would really prove it's complete crap.
As far as I can recall from discussion on their list, it's floating point.
And thanks for the explanations
I think you are forgetting that linux-based OS market usage is 1.0%. So by
the same logic, why do so many people prefer NOT to use these OSs, because
they are so good? Are those people all idiots? Sometimes numbers don't mean
much...
I guess you mean Linux-based desktop OS market usage. Linux
If it is true that a noticeable glitch is
produced, then obviously you have a point, however if the glitch is
not noticeable then I don't see the problem you have with PA.
In the pro audio world the spinning of a cd has been noted to introduce
errors as well as the windows volume control which
Op 11 aug. 2012 03:02 schreef Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no het volgende:
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de
wrote:
[...]
Like I said before, if you would support systemd, sytemd-tools and
everything else related to systemd totally optional, and keep
On 10/08/12 23:38, Heiko Baums wrote:
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400
schrieb Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com:
Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software
with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the
author is comparing apples to oranges.
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 09:56 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd market
share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to switch to
systemd. With these major distro's taking up systemd, it's almost
impossible that it's not
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:47:09 +0300
schrieb Thanasis Georgiou sakisd...@gmail.com:
So you had a problem but when Tom wrote a patch you were unwilling to
help test it?
What part of I had no time to set up a VM. and I have only one
stable system which needs to be stable and reliable. didn't you
On Aug 11, 2012 2:38 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:47:09 +0300
schrieb Thanasis Georgiou sakisd...@gmail.com:
So you had a problem but when Tom wrote a patch you were unwilling to
help test it?
What part of I had no time to set up a VM. and I have
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:02:03 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no:
Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have
surprisingly few systemd/pulseaudio bugs open, considering all the
noise they create on the ML.
Is it really that hard to respect other people's opinions and
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:56:49 +0200
schrieb Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl:
Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd
market share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to
switch to systemd. With these major distro's taking up systemd, it's
almost impossible
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:16:46 +0200
Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:56:49 +0200
schrieb Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl:
Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd
market share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to
2012/8/11 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de:
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:02:03 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no:
Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have
surprisingly few systemd/pulseaudio bugs open, considering all the
noise they create on the ML.
Also
2012/8/11 Guus Snijders gsnijd...@gmail.com:
2012/8/11 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de:
[...]
And I just don't want this systemd stuff on my harddisk.
Well, it should be possible to create a system (even Arch!) completely
free of systemd tools. You'd have to rebuild some of the
*grabs popcorn*
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
But they take space on my harddisk. And even TB harddisks can get full
some day. And not everybody is able to afford a new one at once.
[kwpolska@kwpolska-lin ~]% du -sh /usr/lib/systemd
3.6M
And I hadn't had time to set up a VM.
not to worry, the whole world of free software developers (including
Arch) are here and have all the time to serve your wishes.
--
дамјан
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:21:01 +0200
schrieb Damjan gdam...@gmail.com:
not to worry, the whole world of free software developers (including
Arch) are here and have all the time to serve your wishes.
Have you thought about that comment before sending it?
Heiko
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:02:50PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
With pulse it just takes over the master volume when it try to
adjust audio in an application cranking the master volume to full.
Without pulse it just works the way I like it to be. So count me as
one of the ones who doesn't like
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
them:
- one provided by the application (player or something)
- one provided by PA or similar,
- probably two by the soundcard mixer,
PA combines these
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15:14AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
them:
- one provided by the application (player or something)
- one provided by PA or
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control
an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is
the output from the app.
This is not correct. If the app has proper PA support (such as
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41:24AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control
an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is
the output from the
On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen
f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
them:
- one provided by the application (player or something)
- one
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
which can happen at any time. Suppose that first (single) app has
its volume set to some
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 00:15 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
them:
- one provided by the application (player or something)
- one provided by PA or similar,
On 12-08-2012 00:41, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/11/2012 07:37 PM, Mauro Santos wrote:
On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen
f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
So imagine the average desktop user who gets five
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 01:41:01AM +0200, Jan Steffens wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
which can happen at any
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 01:41 +0200, Jan Steffens wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
which can happen at any time.
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
This is not correct. If the app has proper PA support (such as all KDE
apps, and probably all gnome apps), then PA does the app specific
mixing, not the app itself.
That doesn't stop the app from having its own
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
This is completely sick. Any audio engineer trying to
use a mixer that way would (and should) be fired for
gross incompetence - immediately.
Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who
is sick
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:43 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
which can happen at any time.
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 08:47 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not
to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons,
Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different
On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
. PA until today is pure crap for MOST
computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't
like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I
even DOUBT that very much.
This again? Let's
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
. PA until today is pure crap for MOST
computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't
like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux
On 08/10/2012 11:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
. PA until today is pure crap for MOST
computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't
like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I
even
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this
patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the
patched version brakes Thunar.
Thanks.
Tom
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the
majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their
YouTube.
Puleaudio doesn't work for many people simply using stereo with on-board
devices. We are living
On Aug 10, 2012 6:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the
majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their
YouTube.
Puleaudio doesn't
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200
Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this
patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the
patched
On Aug 10, 2012 6:32 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200
Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
wrote:
As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this
patched
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 11:31 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200
Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this
patched version works
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 21:43 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with
a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have.
Hm? IIRC console-kit has a replacement when using systemd, so those and
perhaps other files perhaps
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 22:04 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 21:43 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with
a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have.
Hm? IIRC console-kit has a replacement
Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software with
different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the author is
comparing apples to oranges.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:27:33 +0200
schrieb
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On 08/10/2012 09:02 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/10/2012 11:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
wrote:
. PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users
(including those who try to switch to
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:15 +0200
schrieb Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de:
I really haven't seen so many and so long discussions and so many
concerns and very negative opinions about a software than I have seen
about Lennart's software. And I'm not only reading this mailing list.
See e.g.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
[snip: lots of whining about pulse audio]
This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly
is not the right thread for it.
And systemd seems to be similar. I also don't like that you want to
imprint
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
If you buy a book at Amazon e.g., what do you read? Only the best
5-star reviews or also the 1-star reviews? I tell you something. Not
always but a lot of times the fewer 1-star reviews are the better and
more realistic
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:15 +0200
Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400
schrieb Brandon Watkins bwa...@gmail.com:
Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software
with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:59:25 +0200, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu
wrote:
Do we always have to get personal?
Seems to me that some people have way too much free time...
And do you think it's a good idea to spam my inbox? Ah, right, I should
unsubscribe.
I don't read reviews because
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:57:46 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no:
I prefer the reviews (good or bad) from someone who has actually read
the book.
You can usually assume that everybody who writes a review has actually
read the book.
Heiko
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no:
This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly
is not the right thread for it.
This is the right mailing list for this issue, because downstream is
also affected by this. And it is also downstream's
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no:
You pointed out a feature that initsrcipts used to have
which systemd-cryptsetup lacked, (on the same day) I posted a patch to
implement the feature you requested, and asked for feedback (which you
didn't give)
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