Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-18 Thread Smith Dhumbumroong
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 07:27:29PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-18 Thread Giorgio Lando
As a long term, quite silent user, the systemd drama does not struck me as special, new or exceedingly dramatic. I remember analogous, heated discussions also when the arch community was much smaller. E.g., I remember a devfs --- udev transition drama, and a monolithic xfree --- modular xorg one.

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-16 Thread Thomas Rand
On 16 August 2012 07:20, Martin Cigorraga m...@archlinux.us wrote: Baho: it's sad to see you leave pal but in the future try to not let things bring you down so easily, the world is full of suckers and the sooner you learn to live with that the better. Tom: I will miss your answers, they were

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-16 Thread G. Schlisio
Am 15.08.2012 21:43, schrieb Tom Gundersen: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general.

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-16 Thread Vytautas Stankevičius
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote: Am 15.08.2012 21:43, schrieb Tom Gundersen: We don't currently have a satisfactory answer to this question. Hopefully a solution will present itself soon, I know people are discussing the problem. After all, we DO want

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-16 Thread Guus Snijders
2012/8/16 Vytautas Stankevičius brothe...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, G. Schlisio g.schli...@gmx.de wrote: Am 15.08.2012 21:43, schrieb Tom Gundersen: [...] what about cleaning arch-general by creating a new list (arch-offtopic, arch-flame etc) and moving those diskussion

[arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs interact with the list (or rather, how they do not). My approach to

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/15/2012 01:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs interact with the list

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Aurko Roy
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:47:10 -0400 Baho Utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Those that want to insult me (again you know who you are) go right ahead if it makes you feel good. Sorry I wont' see your insults. Good luck and Good nite Mabuhay http://youtu.be/ey0wvGiAH9g Not that I

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Stephen E. Baker
On 15/08/2012 1:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs interact with the list

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
I will do you one better I will be unsubscribing to all arch mailing lists and taking my leave. I may have been annoying to some in my own hopefully non offensive capacity but I've seen a couple of people with good arguments have them taken apart or twisted on mute points and then pointlessly

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. What is the preferred way to contact you or other devs with questions or suggestions (better wording for an announcement etc.)? I

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. What is the preferred way to contact you or

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Kyle
Tom, I for one am sorry to see that you have had to become less active on this list. I have found your contributions to be quite valuable. Furthermore, I want to personally thank you for helping to solve one of very few problems I have had with Linux in general, and Arch Linux specifically. I

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Dave Morgan
On 15/08/12 at 09:43pm, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/15/2012 12:51 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/15/2012 12:51 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Genes MailLists
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: ... As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. Tom please stay engaged with user community. May I suggest instead the creation of a new list (something like):

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:44:07PM -0700, David Benfell wrote: There is almost always a tension between those who know what they are doing and those who don't. There is also conflict between people who simply have different values.

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 7:27:29 PM Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about how most devs

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread phani
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:28:49 +0530, Aurko Roy roy.au...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to see you go. Although I don't post much here I do read and appreciate your prompt and very informative responses to the various issues that are on arch-general. If this is because of the recent flame-wars over

Re: [arch-general] Personal note

2012-08-15 Thread Martin Cigorraga
Baho: it's sad to see you leave pal but in the future try to not let things bring you down so easily, the world is full of suckers and the sooner you learn to live with that the better. Tom: I will miss your answers, they were often very useful and make help understand a bit more the inner