Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:29:33 +0100 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: The majority of Linux users on non-audio Linux mailing lists praise PA, ... And the most computer users use Windows. So what's the point? That doesn't mean that Windows is better than Linux or that Windows

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Stefan Wilkens
2012/1/28 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de: Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:29:33 +0100 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: The majority of Linux users on non-audio Linux mailing lists praise PA, ... And the most computer users use Windows. So what's the point? That doesn't mean that

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:05:25 + schrieb Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org: PA is for 'consumer' use, its scope ends at ITU 5.1 or so. It doesn't support any serious multichannel card (like the the comlete RME series, up to 64+64 channels). Users of such cards don't need or want PA, so

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:24:07PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: If PulseAudio was generally only optional and if its developers wouldn't try to declare it as a standard, I just wouldn't care. It's part of a more general trend, that of dependencies on specific desktop junk trickling down into

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:22:05 +0100 schrieb Stefan Wilkens stefanwilk...@gmail.com: Does this really need to be rehashed yet again? This isn't arch related yet these PA back and forths keeps popping up in the mailboxes of all the registered people looking for arch-related content. I didn't

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:34:32 + schrieb Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org: It's part of a more general trend, that of dependencies on specific desktop junk trickling down into even basic system components and plain apps. And that's a problem. This should be changed again. And it's

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: If Lennart would either fix all those issues in PulseAudio and systemd, so that they would really work for everybody and would really bring advantages for everybody or at least no disadvantages, or if his software

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:24:07 +0100 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:05:25 + schrieb Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org: PA is for 'consumer' use, its scope ends at ITU 5.1 or so. It doesn't support any serious multichannel card (like the the comlete

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 12:37 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote: dear Lennart and co., make sure that your software is 100% optional and free of dependencies in either direction. signed, Your Friends in the Community Dear my Friends in the Community, PA already is optional. Please test

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 13:14 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: Please please please not again!!! PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. Because noone cares about pro audio solutions which are a nightmare to configure. PA goes far beyond you KDE/gnome to embedded systems

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 13:14 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: Please please please not again!!! PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. Because noone cares about pro audio solutions which are

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Ben Tartsa
Thanks. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 13:14 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: Please please please not again!!! PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. Because noone cares about pro audio solutions

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:29:28 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 13:14 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: Please please please not again!!! PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. Because noone cares about pro audio solutions which

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 01:14:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. PA is indeed a great consumer thing, and it may be what you need. It is definitely not what some others need. Because noone cares about pro audio solutions You mean

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:14:47 -0600 schrieb Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu: PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. That may be exactly what you need, but not what we need. Otherwise we all could stick with Windows. You can read your e-mails and write some letters with

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:37:14 -0600 schrieb C Anthony Risinger anth...@xtfx.me: is this roughly message you want to send? No, this is not the message, and I guess you totally misunderstood me. The problem is that PulseAudio is not working with every sound and audio card, but users are forced to

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 20:25 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 01:14:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. PA is indeed a great consumer thing, and it may be what you need. It is definitely not what some others