Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-24 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/24/2012 01:15 AM, Martin Cigorraga wrote: The beauty behind this is we are now enjoying the new paradigm without reinstalling the system while with other distros your only chance to make the switch is reinstall not only your OS but everything else! Cheers. Now that... is the beauty of

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-23 Thread Martin Cigorraga
The problem is not Arch is bleeding edge nor this deep change from /lib to /usr/lib, the problem is that _people don't read_: everything was *clearly* explained in the website's frontpage news and in the wiki. Here's what the people at Project Zomboid had to do to ensure it's customers READ a

[arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 07/20/12 at 03:27pm, Norbert Zeh wrote: I think the reason why you are having a much more serious issue is that it seems you haven't updated your system in a long time. So now you're running into dealing with two slightly tricky upgrades (filesystem + glibc) at the same time. I've had

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Matthew Monaco
On 07/20/2012 12:41 PM, Manolo Martínez wrote: It would also be nice to know a bit more of the rationale behind the moves. I'm sure that they are all for the best, and I trust arch decision-makers (and one can find out more about the changes by reading blogs and forum discussions), but still

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 02:41:44PM -0400, Manolo Martínez wrote: On 07/20/12 at 03:27pm, Norbert Zeh wrote: I think the reason why you are having a much more serious issue is that it seems you haven't updated your system in a long time. So now you're running into dealing with two

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 07/20/12 at 02:56pm, Daniel Wallace wrote: All of those changes were discussed by the devs on arch-dev-public filesystem - http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-June/023014.html grub - http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-June/023147.html

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Florian Pritz
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:15:47 -0400 Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 02:56pm, Daniel Wallace wrote: All of those changes were discussed by the devs on arch-dev-public I, for one, thought that running archlinux responsibly only committed me to subscribing to and

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 07/20/12 at 09:31pm, Florian Pritz wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:15:47 -0400 Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 02:56pm, Daniel Wallace wrote: All of those changes were discussed by the devs on arch-dev-public I, for one, thought that running archlinux

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Daenyth
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 09:31pm, Florian Pritz wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:15:47 -0400 Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 02:56pm, Daniel Wallace wrote: All of those changes were

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 09:31pm, Florian Pritz wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:15:47 -0400 Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 02:56pm, Daniel Wallace wrote: All of those changes were

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 07/20/12 at 10:45pm, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 09:31pm, Florian Pritz wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:15:47 -0400 Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 07/20/12 at 02:56pm, Daniel

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-20 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 21 jul. 2012 01:13 schreef Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com het volgende: OK. I'll subscribe to arch-dev-public, then. I think it would be good if the mailing lists page at archlinux.org explained what one is to expect from each mailing list, and maybe recommend which mailing lists