Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Same here, but fortunately we have linuxquestions.com and supp...@talkingarch.tk. On Thu, 22 Sep 2016, Zachary Kline wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:26:35 From: Zachary Kline Reply-To: General Discussion about Arch Linux To: General

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 08:00 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > I have never said that you have to call it anything. You are free to call > it whatever you want to. > > And so am I. But not on the Arch Linux mailing list -- we don't support other distros here, and whatever

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

* Talks about distros that aren't Arch on a Arch mailing list * Starts calling it Arch GNU/Linux (from here on out I will personally call it Ubuntu /sarcasm) * Compares the CoC to slavery (unfortunately missed the opportunity to use Reductio ad Hitlerum) Any particular reason you're trolling the

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Anyone else who replies to this thread will be stuck in the moderation queue (which no-one checks). Allan

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Mauro Santos via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 23-09-2016 01:06, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > Hi Maurio, > > > > Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom > > ends where the others starts, then

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:16:27 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > Arch has from the start been clear about its goals and intentions. > I'll quote from a section of the wiki that people seem much less > familiar with: > > ”Whereas many GNU/Linux distributions

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 17:22:57 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but > > having the gall to mention slavery in the context of an online > > community for a computer operating system would have to rank as one > > of

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

It was sarcasm =) On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > Hi D C, > > Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, without > interference from sel-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other members of > the

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

I don't know how to search waybackmachine.com but for those interested in this topic perhaps the last real beginners guide got archived over there. That's usually where old files and web pages end up. On Thu, 22 Sep 2016, Mauro Santos via arch-general wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:21:30

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:09 PM, aur basica wrote: > * Talks about distros that aren't Arch on a Arch mailing list > * Starts calling it Arch GNU/Linux (from here on out I will personally > call it Ubuntu /sarcasm) > * Compares the CoC to slavery (unfortunately missed the

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 05:55pm, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:16:27 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: Arch has from the start been clear about its goals and intentions. I'll quote from a section of the wiki that people seem much less

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Hi D C, Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, without interference from sel-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other members of the Peanut Gallery. HTH.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 03:40 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Simon, > > Thank you for your taking the time for your thoughtful, informative > explanation. > > And thank you for your support service in #archlinux on IRC! > > > So - supporting other distributions, or even other installation

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Wait, let me grab some popcorn first. Okay, go on... On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but having > the gall to mention slavery in the context of an online

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 04:50:54PM -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Rather than telling us how our community *should* work, why don't you > > > make some effort to learn how it actually *does* work? > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Arch_ > >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 18:10:43 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, > without interference from self-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other > members of the Peanut Gallery. The linked comic points out exactly

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:56 PM, D C via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > When I frist meet people I give them the utmost respect, then I basically > treat them the way they treat me. I urge everyone to do the same, that goes > for staff and the rest of the Arch community. >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Am 22.09.2016 um 19:54 schrieb Francis Gerund via arch-general: > Chris, > Thank you for your interest. Perhaps you may find this helpful: > > http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.en.html No, we don't find this helpful at all. The FSF has no right to forcefully rename what we call our OS. We

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 08:06 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Maurio, > > Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom > ends where the others starts, then it would seem that the reverse is also > true, that the freedom of others ends where my freedom starts. > >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

2016/09/23 7:02 "D C via arch-general" : > > Free speech, what's that? > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Tinu Weber wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 17:22:57 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general > > wrote: > > > > There have been some pretty

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Thank you, Francis. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:56 PM, D C via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > When I frist meet people I give them the utmost respect, then I basically

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

LOL On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:09 PM, aur basica wrote: > > > *

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Free speech, what's that? On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Tinu Weber wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 17:22:57 -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general > wrote: > > > There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but > > > having the gall to mention slavery

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 03:10 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Simon. > > Thank you for the link you provided. > > "You say 'tomayto', I say 'tomahto' . . ." > "You say Arch (or Arch Linux, or archlinux), I say GNU/Linux . . .) > > Either way, what does it matter? > > I live in a culture

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22-09-2016 17:26, Zachary Kline wrote: > > How does one define “third-party installer?” By my reading, the TalkingArch > project, which makes the installation process accessible to the visually > impaired, could qualify, as it isn’t released by the official Arch > maintainers. This would be

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 22.09.2016 um 19:54 schrieb Francis Gerund via arch-general: > > Chris, > > Thank you for your interest. Perhaps you may find this helpful: > > > > http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.en.html > > No, we don't

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

When I frist meet people I give them the utmost respect, then I basically treat them the way they treat me. I urge everyone to do the same, that goes for staff and the rest of the Arch community.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22-09-2016 23:10, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi D C, > > Freedom of speech means being able to say whatever you want to say, without > interference from sel-appointed sidewalk supervisors or other members of > the Peanut Gallery. > > HTH. > . > All nice and well, but don't

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Hi Maurio, Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom ends where the others starts, then it would seem that the reverse is also true, that the freedom of others ends where my freedom starts. With warmest regards, y'r obd't srvt., F.G.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

To be fair, I think I'm trolling more than Francis. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:23 PM, D C wrote: > LOL > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Francis Gerund via

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 23-09-2016 01:06, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Hi Maurio, > > Thank you for your opinion. In regard to your postulate, if my freedom > ends where the others starts, then it would seem that the reverse is also > true, that the freedom of others ends where my freedom starts. > Yes

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:22:24 -0400 Simon Gomizelj via arch-general wrote: > But we do have to make it clear that we won't **officially** support > anything installed outside of the officially sanctions instructions. I > don't see that as unreasonable. I have to agree.

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:00:53 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > Then we are in agreement; the goal is to provide people with what they > need and to encourage them to explore in more depth, or for edge > cases, the official documentation. Then I think I

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:09:14 +1000, aur basica via arch-general wrote: >Any particular reason you're trolling the mailing list? The OP does, because some of us still reply ;). Let's ignore the two threads!

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 09/22/2016 08:19 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > Anyone else who replies to this thread will be stuck in the moderation > queue (which no-one checks). I took this to mean that this thread got "locked" so to speak, and any replies to this thread would require manual approval (which isn't going to

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 23/09/16 14:23, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: > On 09/22/2016 08:19 PM, Allan McRae wrote: >> Anyone else who replies to this thread will be stuck in the moderation >> queue (which no-one checks). > > I took this to mean that this thread got "locked" so to speak, and any > replies to

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 08:16pm, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:00:53 +1200 Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: Then we are in agreement; the goal is to provide people with what they need and to encourage them to explore in more depth, or for edge

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

There have been some pretty specious comparisons in this thread, but having the gall to mention slavery in the context of an online community for a computer operating system would have to rank as one of the most offensive and moronic, not just for this thread, or this ML but for the community.

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 21/09/16 at 09:53pm, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 > Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > >see below > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:53:53PM -0700, Kyle Terrien via arch-general wrote: > So, is making people hunt for information a ritualistic hazing? No, it is not. No one is *making* people do anything. There is an installation guide that does what it's supposed to: tell you what you need to do to

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:51:11 +1200, Jason Ryan wrote: >On 22/09/16 at 08:47am, Martin Kühne wrote: >>On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... >> >>Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil >>this

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 04:49am, mick wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 12:58:23 +1200 > Jason Ryan via arch-general wrote: > > > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: > > >see below > > > > > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < > >

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On 22/09/16 at 08:47am, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil this thread down to "telling

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

While I agree with the guys saying the Beginner's Guide was harmful to the distro making lazy noobish users choose the wrong distribution for 'em, I strongly think that the Guide was pretty helpful as a quick setup checklist to seniors too. The solution to this could be taking it back enriching

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:46:30 +0200, Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana wrote: > While I agree with the guys saying the Beginner's Guide was harmful to the > distro making lazy noobish users choose the wrong distribution for 'em, I > strongly think that the Guide was pretty helpful as a quick setup

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

Am 22.09.2016 um 02:58 schrieb Jason Ryan via arch-general: > On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote: >> see below >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general < >> arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> I believe this change will only serve to alienate

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:53:42 +0200, Jürgen Werner wrote: >That being said, I'm still in favour of the merge of Installation and >Beginners Guide, but maybe we could include some more background >information for beginners If we know what to include, we could discuss it there. As long as we have no

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On jeu., 2016-09-22 at 10:36 +0200, Tinu Weber wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:46:30 +0200, Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana > wrote: > > > > While I agree with the guys saying the Beginner's Guide was harmful > > to the > > distro making lazy noobish users choose the wrong distribution for > >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:47:32 -0400, Francis Gerund wrote: >And I do believe there are quite a few friendly, helpful people in the >Arch community that will be happy to help, without questioning the >pedigree of the user's installation. You compare apples with oranges. Yes, I'm helping Antergos

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Chris, Thank you for your interest. Perhaps you may find this helpful: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.en.html On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Chris Warrick via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:11:28 -0400, Francis Gerund wrote: >I did read the web page that you provided a link for. I must confess >that I did not see the relevance of the linked page to this >discussion. I seemed to be an announcement of two distributions being >added to the FSF list of free

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:39:29 +0200, Chris Warrick via arch-general > wrote: > >On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general > > wrote: > >> For beginners and new users,

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 01:22:44PM -0400, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > The point is that the official Arch Linux support channels (forums, > > mailing lists, etc.) are only for official Arch projects. Any derivative > > projects, be they custom installers, distro derivatives, or

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, without > the agony: > And here is a "user-centric" alternative to Arch GNU/Linux: There’s no such thing as “Arch GNU/Linux”.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:39:29 +0200, Chris Warrick via arch-general wrote: >On 22 September 2016 at 17:31, Francis Gerund via arch-general > wrote: >> For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, >> without the agony: >> And here is a

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

> While Antergos is indeed a separate distribution (but very close to > raw Arch), the Archtect Arch Installer and Arch-Anywhere are not > distributions, they are just installers for Arch. So to give you some background why you get the hostility, here's some things I've experienced from the

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Its not a dig at GNU, the official name is either "Arch Linux" or "Arch". We're a GNU/Linux distro (though we don't meet the FSF foundation's definition, but you always have Parabola then). https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_terminology#Arch_Linux

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

I'm in favor of the merge as well. For beginners there are plenty of Youtube videos that cover common desktop setups. That should be more than enough for users who are first learning how to setup a Linux distro. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Dario Giovannetti via arch-general <

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016/09/22 20:06 "Dario Giovannetti via arch-general" < arch-general@archlinux.org>: > > I thought I'd make a graph about the reactions to the merge :) > > http://imgh.us/archwiki_complaints.svg I don't know why pink line exists.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22-09-2016 16:47, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > Note that all of these are regarded as separate distros and will NOT be >> supported by Arch in the forums, mailing lists, or IRC. >> > > > While Antergos is indeed a separate distribution (but very close to raw > Arch), the Archtect

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Note that all of these are regarded as separate distros and will NOT be > supported by Arch in the forums, mailing lists, or IRC. > While Antergos is indeed a separate distribution (but very close to raw Arch), the Archtect Arch Installer and Arch-Anywhere are not distributions, they are just

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:12 AM, mike lojkovic via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > I'm in favor of the merge as well. For beginners there are plenty of > Youtube videos that cover common desktop setups. That should be more than > enough for users who are first learning how to

[arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, without the agony: 1) http://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux 2) http://arch-anywhere.org And here is a "user-centric" alternative to Arch GNU/Linux: http://antergos.com You are welcome.

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:31:47 -0400 Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > For beginners and new users, here is how to install Arch GNU/Linux, without > the agony: > > 1) http://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux > > 2) http://arch-anywhere.org > > And

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Simon Gomizelj wrote: > Its not a dig at GNU, the official name is either "Arch Linux" or > "Arch". We're a GNU/Linux distro (though we don't meet the FSF > foundation's definition, but you always have Parabola then). > >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

> Either way, what does it matter? > > I live in a culture that at least gives "lip service" to freedom of > speech. Thus, I try not to tell other people what to say or not to say, > and I would hope for the same from others in return. Sure, you have all the freedom to call things by the wrong

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:29:32 -0400, Simon Gomizelj via arch-general wrote: >Its not a dig at GNU, the official name is either "Arch Linux" or >"Arch". We're a GNU/Linux distro (though we don't meet the FSF >foundation's definition, but you always have Parabola then). >

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22/09/16 at 03:40pm, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: 3) Please do not criticize, ridicule, or discourage others from trying to answer questions or provide other support, regardless of who is requesting help, or how they "got here". Rather than telling us how our community *should*

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Rather than telling us how our community *should* work, why don't you > make some effort to learn how it actually *does* work? > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Arch_ > Linux_distribution_support_ONLY > > /J > > -- > > http://jasonwryan.com/ > GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On 22/09/16 at 04:50pm, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: Rather than telling us how our community *should* work, why don't you make some effort to learn how it actually *does* work? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Arch_ Linux_distribution_support_ONLY /J --

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general > wrote: > > Third party installers are not supported in any shape or form. Threads > asking for support about derivative distros or third party installers on > the forums will be closed and binned on

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Tinu Weber wrote: > Just take a look at that beautifully concise "Contents" table on > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide. > That's one perfect checklist :-) > I think you are ~right. >From my point of view beginner's

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Am I the only one that can't understand the reason of this thread? Ale On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > > Third party installers are not

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:26:35AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote: > > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general > > wrote: > > > > Third party installers are not supported in any shape or form. Threads > > asking for support about derivative distros

Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users

Tinu, The phrase "You are welcome" is actually meant to be indicative of the attitude with which I hope that new users would be greeted. Thank you for allowing me to clarify that point. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Sean Greenslade wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016