Re: [arch-general] EEE 1000H - control of Wifi device

2010-02-18 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:25:51PM -0800, epinull wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:43 AM, kludge drklu...@rat-patrol.org wrote: Well, since I don't have /etc/acpi at all it looks like this switch works without any soft support at all. So I guess it just can't be disabled. unless

[arch-general] what is this supposed to mean ?

2010-04-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello, Trying to do a complete system update, I get: error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) cups: /etc/cups/printers.conf exists in filesystem Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. Certainly that file does exist, it probably has to in order to make my printer work. But

Re: [arch-general] what is this supposed to mean ?

2010-04-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:28:04AM +0300, Evangelos Foutras wrote: Please see the front page news. There are instructions regarding the CUPS update. :) OK, pacman -Sf cups and then re-trying the update did the trick. Will have to check my printer tomorrow... Many thanks, but I 'rest my

Re: [arch-general] gstreamer0.10-good-plugins need a whole load of GNOME stuff?

2010-04-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 06:22:24AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 22:04 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: GStreamer is a library for constructing graphs of media-handling components. The applications it supports range from simple Ogg/Vorbis playback, audio/video

Re: [arch-general] final final testing images

2010-05-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 05:17:28PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: I built new images, dated 2010.05.16 (aka final final images ;)) in which this should be fixed, and which also come with updated core packages, most notably kernel26-2.6.33.4-1 http://build.archlinux.org/isos/ I downloaded

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:37:38PM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: Does anyone agree/disagree with my idea on the proper way to install Arch? :D Regards, --Keith I disagree. Some of us do not have fast/reliable internet connections, and would rather postpone the search for reliable download

[arch-general] Xorg install problems - solved but some questions

2010-07-30 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, Today I turned my 10th machine into an ArchLinux system. A Fujitsu W270, nice laptop, just whished it were mine. Things become routine, I just anticipated some hickups as this was the first install using the new 'halogen free' Xorg. That expectation turned out to be true, but ATM

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 05:29:51PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: And, no, artificially crippling a (semi-)professional audio card down to stereo with a strange ALSA configuration is not a solution for this. And, no, it's not ALSA's fault like Lennart Poettering says, it's PulseAudio's fault. If

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:24:07PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: If PulseAudio was generally only optional and if its developers wouldn't try to declare it as a standard, I just wouldn't care. It's part of a more general trend, that of dependencies on specific desktop junk trickling down into

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 01:14:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. PA is indeed a great consumer thing, and it may be what you need. It is definitely not what some others need. Because noone cares about pro audio solutions You mean

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:46:20PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: There has been a lot of changes lately, this is true. However, a lot of effort has been put into reaching consensus between the distros and the relevant upstream projects. Much more so now than before. It is my impression that

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 03:41:06PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/NEWS.23.2 This doesn't provide any reason why emacs should depend on consolekit for its functionality. It only says it depends on gconf to find out a 'default font', and that you can opt out at

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 02:46:37PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: This has already been tried at least with pulseaudio. Their reactions are known. Blame ALSA for PA's faults while ALSA supports those card perfectly since years, and crippling those audio cards down to stereo with some very strange

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:02:25PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:42:33 + schrieb Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org: They *DO* know and understand the difference between consumer and 'pro' audio. I have another impression. Could be. My impression is based

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:17:38PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: My is based on a bug report, upstream's solution for closing this bug report - this weird ALSA configuration which cripples those cards to pure stereo cards - and their response to the reopening of this bug report. The ALSA

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:33:34PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: ALSA is not using this information in the same way (if at all). It is a well known problem that PA will act crazy if the dB values from ALSA are wrong, but ALSA itself mostly does not care (because the user is setting all the

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:28:00AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 23:11 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: A trained audio engineer knows how to find out such things and get them right, but the average user is completely lost if there is more than one control that affects

[arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, I tried to install octave (after a pacman -Sy). root@zita1:/home/fons pacman -S octave pacman: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libalpm.so.7) Octave gets installed, but refuses to run due to the missing library. ??? -- FA Vor uns

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:52:49PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: I tried to install octave (after a pacman -Sy). Run 'pacman -Syu' and try again. I've no intention to do a full system upgrade ATM, nor should

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:22:51PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:52:49PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: I

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: Because it is apparently a dependency of octave. And pacman tried to install it, but failed due to the 'no version information'. 'pacman -S foo

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:55:22PM +0100, Alexandre Ferrando wrote: On 16 February 2012 22:52, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: Could you elaborate a bit on that ?  Isn't 'pacman -S foo' supposed to either install (if not yet installed) or update any dependencies of 'foo

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 04:12:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: Simply put there are 2 pkg trees: in the official repos and on your system. They are supposed to be in-sync -- that's what pacman -Sy does. pacman -S fetches pkg according to YOUR tree. Over time the sync is lost, so YOUR tree may

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:12:02AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: Run 'pacman -Syu' and try again. But you ignored it: I've no intention to do a full system upgrade ATM I did not ignore it, I gave some reasons why that was not an option at that time. And those reasons are in line with advice

[arch-general] upgrade disabled IP forwarding

2012-06-03 Thread Fons Adriaensen
A pacman -Syu today unexpectedly disabled IP forwarding on two of my machines which were configured to provide that service. Unexpected because AFAIK there's no recent news item mentioning this, nor were there any upgrade messages about it. No big deal, and probably just some unwanted side

[arch-general] libusbx

2012-06-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Regarding the libusb / libusbx replacement, the following may be of interest to authors using it: I have one app using libusb, after the upgrade it consistently segfaulted on calling libusb_exit(0). The '0' argument in this call and some others means my code was using the 'default context'.

[arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, I did a complete upgrade following the instructions w.r.t. the /lib symlink, and indeed ended up with pacman -Su saying 'nothing to do' and /lib being a symlink. On rebooting I get the login prompt on tty1..6, but after entering a login nothing happens (no passwd prompt) and after a

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log. It should tell you what the problem is. Seemed some things were missing, one of them being login Which is *very strange* ... Fortunately I could afford to just dump this

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade was forced. No, it was not. As already said I followed the instructions which clearly stated not to use --force. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:20:10PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Jul 16, 2012 12:17 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade was forced

Re: [arch-general] [OT] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-07-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:03:35PM +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: Completely off-topic, but am I the only one that chuckled at this title? A very minor mistake, but irresponsible means not responsible, and brings to mind pictures of your computer spending all your money, running an

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: Arch was always - if nothing else - about upstream compatibility and this is just the next step. Fair enough, but for this sort of thing, who is 'upstream' ? Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 03:02:05PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:43:39 + schrieb Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org: Fair enough, but for this sort of thing, who is 'upstream' ? In this case the super-ingenious Lennart Poettering, I guess. I switched to Arch some

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:17:13PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: Am 22.07.2012 15:36, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: to get rid of all that Poetterix Once again this is not a technical argument, but a very subjective reason with - at least for me - no basis. Its more of a philosophy

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:52:49PM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: I wonder why everyone thinks that Archlinux is about a single config file... It is the same myth as Arch is faster than distro XYZ or the simple BSD init. A single config file or a few of them won't matter. As long as you can stay

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:45:13PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: Am 22.07.2012 22:26, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't care about whatever it has to offer. Recent updates of xdm have pulled it in. So far it hasn't done anything

Re: [arch-general] Consolekit etc. stubs? (Was: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.)

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:35:33PM -0700, Scott Lawrence wrote: A little OT (hence changed subject), but I've sometimes wondered - shouldn't it be possible to create a stub version of libdbus, libconsolekit, et al that does nothing but the least necessary to get the calling program working

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:30:37AM +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 22/07/12, Fons Adriaensen wrote: Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't care about whatever it has to offer. ...This may be why you don't understand benefits of such tools... If you could

Re: [arch-general] systemd network configuration

2012-07-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: Then create a service file in /etc/systemd/system/davids-network.service [unit] description= David's Network Setup Wants= network.target Before= network.target [service] Type = oneshot

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: Yeah, because key=value pairs are more complicated then, you know, a programming language? Apples and oranges. What you read in a bash script is what actually gets executed. And this is being done by a tool that is not specific for

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 01:35:10PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: How many times does it have to be said, that there are bug reports filed to upstream which have been ignored by upstream resp. which have been closed as fixed by first blaming ALSA for the PA problems, even if ALSA supports those

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:30:09PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: For better or worse, the reality is that there are hard dependencies on things you don't like. It seems that upstream is unwilling to change that. Then you should really ask yourself why they take that position. AFAICS, there is

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:02:50PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: With pulse it just takes over the master volume when it try to adjust audio in an application cranking the master volume to full. Without pulse it just works the way I like it to be. So count me as one of the ones who doesn't like

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15:14AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of them: - one provided by the application (player or something) - one provided by PA

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41:24AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is the output from the app

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 01:41:01AM +0200, Jan Steffens wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing which can happen at any

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:47:59AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who is sick of PA, but for once I'm seeing the chance to learn something from one of these threads ;-)). No authority needed here, it's just extremely clumsy to use

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that whenever you want to adjust a single channnel you may have

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple) case. However, you have not showed that it is unnecessary in all cases, so this is not really relevant (had we been talking about a human doing this, you'd

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10:10AM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB is normalized to max power (in watts = intensity). [ Tom Leonid ] Lots of questions... I'll try to answer them, but not all at a time (I need to

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 07:38:58PM +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain in analog (or uses

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:43:08PM +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote: I was however sad to see old dependable friends like ifconfig and route being deprecated last year. I had the same initial response to that. But spending an evening reading the ip manpage and doing a lot of 'exercises' using it

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: Sad to see rc.conf more or less being deprecated too. Yes, it was very convenient to have almost all essential configuration available in a single

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket. Nobody in the pro audio world

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean. Which is Neutrik made in

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-13 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:33:41PM +0200, Jérôme M. Berger wrote: Fons Adriaensen wrote: 16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases, the error (a rounding error) is random and appears as noise

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

2012-08-14 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also portable and

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: Please think of systemd as the freedesktop.org specs for desktop files or graphical interoperability between distributions (X11, d-bus). I'm trying to attach some meaning to that sentence, but so far I can't. It is a new

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

2012-08-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:12:58AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: On 16 August 2012 03:46, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: It is a new 'upstream' that we can rely on for running our GNU/Linux systems. It so

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

2012-08-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:09:47PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote: Also you're poll doesn't give any arguments for or against the move, unedacted users should look into the benefits of moving to systemd. They should look at both the pros and cons. One problem with this is that much of the the

[arch-general] Some funny bloke

2012-08-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Some funny bloke just sent me a bogus 'please confirm your request to unsubscribe' message. Probably because I suggested that Lennart's blog is not the ideal place to find unbiased information regarding systemd if you want to inform yourself before participating in the poll. Which is just a fact,

[arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

2012-08-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'. This begins to look like stalking. The request was sent from anonymouse.org, so whoever is doing this is a miserable coward apart from whatever else. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's

Re: [arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

2012-08-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:43:18AM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: Could those receiving these emails please speak out? I haven't, for one. Not that much can be done about it.. A third one arrived. BTW, I don't want to discourage anyone from reading Lennart's blog. It's very revealing at some

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

2012-08-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 04:08:32AM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote: no flexibility is lost by moving to systemd, and really, much more gained: wider userbase, wider testbase, simple units to write, simple units to read, loosely coupled ordering, implicit dependencies, Grand Unified logging

Re: [arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

2012-08-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:06:46AM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: Could those receiving these emails please speak out? I haven't, for one. Not that much can be done about it.. I have received about 30 of them, all from 74.63.112.146. Someone loves you :-) I got only 3 :-( Ciao, -- FA

[arch-general] Problem with radeon driver

2012-09-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, Yesterday I wanted to update my IBM R51. Since this hadn't seen any updates for half a year or so I decided to go for a full install, also to try out the new install procedures. This all went very smoothly, and there's only one remaining problem. X11 seems to work, but - GUI

Re: [arch-general] Problem with radeon driver

2012-09-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 01:27:30PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote: Which ATi card does your system have? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: IBM Device 0531

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 03:48:06PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: I intend to maintain initscripts in the official repos as long as this makes sense. However, for this to be viable, I think we would need at least one capable and active initscripts developer who is interested in helping out and

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 05:32:08PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote: We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who: [1 ... 6] A as user I can subscribe to this 100%, also to your conclusions. -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:24:21PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: There seems to be quite a lot of fuss about the installer - however I have installed arch on a laptop two days ago that was running a non-arch distro until then - I have to say that once I had done the necessary reading so that I

[arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

2012-09-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, During the past days I've been reading the sytemd manpages, and I'm more or less prepared to reconfigure one the systems I manage to use systemd. The main thing that scares me off is the 'consolekit style' login management of systemd's logind. In particular the following (from

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

2012-09-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:59:45PM +0200, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: Well, you can disable the registering of systemd-logind sessions by deleting the lines with pam_systemd.so from the files /etc/pam.d/*. Not sure if that will be enough, or even wise. And now that you are into it, you could delete

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

2012-09-30 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 09:59:17AM -0600, Matthew Monaco wrote: Your login sessions from the display manager, virtual terminal, and ssh will all be very similar (if not identical) if you have the same settings in /etc/pam.d/{DM,login,sshd}. That may very well be true, but would it solve

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

2012-09-30 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:10:36PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: Do I understand correctly that you simply want to disable systemd setting ACL's on your device nodes? That is indeed my main concern. In particular, audio devices should be available to whoever is a member of the 'audio' group, and

[arch-general] Strange network problem

2012-10-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, I've got a strange problem with a machine that had a fresh install three weeks ago. Nothing new has been installed on it since then. About one time in four, after that machine has been booted, a ssh to it (on a LAN) fails with 'no route to host'. Using ip link and ip addr on it shows

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

2012-10-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: This means that both the user granted permissons by ACL, and the user granted permission by being in the right group will have access to the device. In other words, if your user had access without logind/CK s/he will still have

[arch-general] Python 3.2mu breaks pycairo ?

2011-03-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, A full system update yesterday replaced Python 3.1 by 3.2mu (what does the 'mu' mean BTW) and this seems to break pycairo: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./mkmeter.py, line 3, in module from cairo import * File /usr/lib/python3.2/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py, line

[arch-general] building tp_smapi from AUR

2011-04-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Don't know if this is the right place to ask... I'm trying to install tp_smapi from AUR. The maintainer is listed as 'xduugu' without mail address. Everything runs fine until: == Starting build()... patching file Makefile patching file thinkpad_ec.c patching file tp_smapi.c patching file

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-08 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 08:54:15PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Sun, 8 May 2011 19:33:09 +0100 schrieb Magnus Therning mag...@therning.org: I don't think so. The word runlevel doesn't exist on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide It does mention adding display

[arch-general] Vodafone HSDPA key

2011-07-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, Is it possible to use Vodafone's (Italy) HSDPA USB key with Archlinux ? I'd want to use it without depending on any 'desktop' tools - just netcfg and whatever other command line tools it takes. Ciao, -- FA

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] dropping tcp_wrapper support

2011-07-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 01:56:58PM -0600, Thomas S Hatch wrote: I mentioned that I consider tcp_wrappers to be a DAC, someone asked me to clarify on MAC and DAC systems, so I put up a blog post: http://red45.wordpress.com/2011/07/17/mac-and-dac-core-security-concepts/ You equate MAC =

[arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
After a routine upgrade it seems I don't have any sound devices any more. More in detail: * The driver for my card (RME HDSP MADI, snd_hdpsm) is loaded. * aplay -L tells me there is only the 'null' device. * (re)starting /etc/rc.d/alsa doesn't change things. * There is *no* /dev/pcm at all. *

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:15:46PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: After a routine upgrade it seems I don't have any sound devices any more. More in detail: * The driver for my card (RME HDSP MADI, snd_hdpsm

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:38:58AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: * There is *no* /dev/pcm at all. Do you mean /dev/snd/pcm? Either way, NOT good. Yes. * /etc/udev/rules.d is empty This is expected; have you ever placed anything there yourself before? No. Do you know about the the

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:15:32PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: [2011-07-19 15:47] upgraded pciutils (3.1.7-3 - 3.1.7-4) [2011-07-19 15:47] upgraded udev (166-2 - 171-2) [2011-07-19 15:47] warning: /etc/inittab installed as /etc/inittab.pacnew [2011-07-19 15:47] warning: /etc/rc.conf installed

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:15:32PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: Please downgrade these packages [1] and test. You can do this one by one, starting with the kernel + mkinitcpio + linux-firmware, then test, then if no difference, go on to downgrading the rest in that list. Of particular interest

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
When I downgrade initscripts and mkinitcpio (to versions of around february), run mkinitcpio -p kernel26, and reboot, shouldn't I get the 'old style' boot messages (without the timing in []) ? But I don't... Are we forgetting something ? Ciao, -- FA

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 06:04:00PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: When I downgrade initscripts and mkinitcpio (to versions of around february), run mkinitcpio -p kernel26, and reboot, shouldn't I get the 'old style

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:23:47AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: Just to be double sure. Did you reboot each time you downgraded something? If not, downgrade all of them at one go, then reboot. Of course. mkinitcpio -p kernel26 and reboot. 1. Now we really need a comparison between your working

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:50:20AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: On 21 July 2011 00:38, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: *Two cards* going defective at the same time, and that time coincides with an upgrade ? That could only mean that the new system has destroyed them :-) Yes

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:21:23PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: [   48.057757] HDSPM: unknown firmware revision cc Clearly the firmware revision hasn't changed... So either it is not read correctly, or the driver has changed. Where do you get your firmware from? Is it in the

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Kacper Żuk kazul...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/21 Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org: * but there is no ALSA sequencer device (/dev/snd/seq). I think that for sequencer you need to: modprobe

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: * The driver for my card (RME HDSP MADI, snd_hdpsm) is loaded. [   48.057757] HDSPM: unknown firmware revision cc [...] Today I tried again downgrading the kernel to 2.6.37, to check if the firmware revision error would occur. It doesn't

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 07:25:56PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: Fons (or anyone else who could reproduce the problem), If you want to try out Adrian's patch, I uploaded a kernel with the patch applied here: https://dev.archlinux.org/~tomegun/kernel26-2.6.39.1.3-1.1-i686.pkg.tar.xz.

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:14:30AM +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: If you want to try out Adrian's patch, I uploaded a kernel with the patch applied here: https://dev.archlinux.org/~tomegun/kernel26-2.6.39.1.3-1.1-i686.pkg.tar.xz. Installed on two machines so far, more tomorrow. Seems

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:14:30AM +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: Fons (or anyone else who could reproduce the problem), If you want to try out Adrian's patch, I uploaded a kernel with the patch applied here: https://dev.archlinux.org/~tomegun/kernel26-2.6.39.1.3-1.1-i686.pkg.tar.xz.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] blacklisting issue, perhaps initscripts or kernel 3.0 related

2011-08-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 09:57:00AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: I don't know how it is for other modules like network cards. There are several modules which don't have an index parameter. For network cards you can use udev rules to set the names based on the MAC address, e.g. SUBSYSTEM==net,

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.0.4-1

2011-09-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:49:09AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: On 08/30/2011 04:38 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote: Latest kernel is in testing, please signoff for both arches greetings tpowa Signoff i686 :) Does this mean that the 'swappiness' problem has been solved, or there is a

[arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, Since my (unknown) neighbour finally got smart enough to lock me out of his wireless access point (still unencrypted, probably filters on MAC address now), I got a Vodafone USB internet key, and even managed to make it work. But I've the impression that my current configuration isn't

Re: [arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 07:44:29PM +0300, Mantas M. wrote: On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 04:27:20PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: 2. The fact that I have _two_ new network interfaces. The existence of the 'usb0' one seems to suggest I don't need pppd at all, but how then to bring it up

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