[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Ignoring systemctl output which is still less clear and slowed me down. I don't agree. > Show what daemons will be running if you were to boot a filesystem > which isn't running and tell me it's as quick to work out on a systemd > system. http://fedoraproj

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 25/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > If a service is not provided: > > - with SysVinit you have to write the whole script usually relying on > > whatever library the distribution provides (which tend to be > > error-prone); > > - with systemd, you just write a configuration file. > > > > We

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 25/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote: > And this is against UNIX philosophy and makes it like something > proprietary, at least it's anything else than comfortable. Why not just > using a simple text file where I can list every "service" that I want > to have started? systemd could easily read this fil

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-26 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 26/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote: > Principally right again. But I have a problem with booting daemons in > parallel, on Gentoo as well as on Arch. Made several problems. But I > can't tell anymore which. So I prefer booting in serial, even if it's > slower. Right. It's not much surprising that Ge

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-25 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 25/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote: > In Linux I have/had some simple text files with which I can/could > configure the whole system, while I had a terrible, cryptic registry on > Windoze. I can find anything in systemd which could make think of the registry on Windows. > In Linux I just c

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-25 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 24/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config > > > files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of > > > course and can be fixed immediately by anyone without another OS or > > > machine. > > > > Did yo

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config > files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of > course and can be fixed immediately by anyone without another OS or > machine. Did you read this before postin

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/07/12, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >Please tell me why you think > I need it. Mount usb keys as a normal user ? So, you're more aware of some benefits than what you stated before. > I can arrange > that without ck. So,

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:36:05 +0200 > schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht : > > Who is manually editing each configuration one after the other need > > lessons on administration tasks. > > I don't think so. Who manually edits config files just don't trust all > those mergin

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 22/07/12, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't > care about whatever it has to offer. ...This may be why you don't understand benefits of such tools... >So far it hasn't done anything evil except being useless and > consuming s

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 22/07/12, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > > I was on systemd once, about an year back.. just to find out first-hand, what > the hoopla is all about. It worked, no fuss but nothing great over current > initscripts for a typical developer workstation/desktop. > > However one fine day, an abrupt

[arch-general] Re: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 22/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote: > That said, Gentoo always had separate config files located > in /etc/conf.d. So the idea of not having one single rc.conf is not > this new. Nevertheless one single /etc/rc.conf makes the administration > a bit more comfortable, because you have all settings at a